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Fatal Shooting — Brooklynian

Fatal Shooting

Fyi, last night there was a fatal shooting on New York and St. Marks. The victim ran to Bergen before he collapsed.
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  • definitely heard those gunshots sunday night. is it me or have things gotten worse over the last year and a half?
  • Its you. Things are way better than they were a couple of years ago.
  • agreed. One has to look at such instances over time.

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  • i have lived here over 4 years now. I think overall the neighborhood has gotten better, but it seems like the shooting incidents have gotten worse in the last year.
  • "historically" yes, things have gotten better. murders are down 89% compared to 1990. but compared to one year ago

    murder is up 20%
    rape is up 45%
    felony assault is up 25%
    burglary is up 40%

    according to the latest comstat the onlythings that are down are robbery (-3.9) and G.L.A. (grand larceny assault?) (-1.1) and that is pretty insignificant.

    one could argue any neighborhood in nyc is better now than it was 20 years ago, but it seems this year...things have gotten worse, not better.
  • Things have gotten worse over the last year, but there is a big debate whether it is due to an actual increase in crime, or simply that the police are now recording crime in light of Adrian Schoolcraft.
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Adrian+Schoolcraft&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    (it's probably some of each).
  • Crime doesn't go in a linear pattern. It might surprise some to learn that the 77 precinct only had 9 murders in 1998. This year they have already taken 13. Unlike felony assault and robbery, murders are much harder to manipulate statistically. I think one of the best indicators (hard to fudge by precinct commanders) is shootings and there have been more than last year. Maybe Paraderest can give the exact number, but I believe there have been over 50 shooting victims this year.
  • these percentages don't mean a lot if you don't have the raw data.

    if there was 1 murder last year and 2 this year that's a whopping 100% increase, but not a lot of murders.
  • any theories on the increased violence?

    I am just trying to figure out if the bad economy is equating to fewer jobs---->more robbery/drug dealing---> more violence...

    or, if there is something else that would cause this bump in crime. at least on my block, it has been noticeably different from a year ago regardless of police stats, etc.
  • everyone has a theory on violence.
  • There are some things about crime in this neighborhood that I think are true:

    1) There are more shootings in summer than in winter
    2) There are more shootings that involve people known to one another than perfect strangers
    3) Many of the "stranger" shootings around here end up to be a case of mistaken identity
    4) If you are young, black, male and unemployed the odds of you ending up a shooting victim skyrocket
    5) For everyone else, if crime touches you directly it will probably be in the form of an assault or a property crime (burglary, robbery, etc)
    6) If you are directly or indirectly involved in the local drug trade or with the local gangs, you have a higher than average chance of being a shooting victim

    I don't know why any of the above occur, but this is based on my personal experience in the area.
  • homeowner, I completely agree with you. My concern is not that i am at high risk for getting shot, it just sucks, no matter what neighborhood you live in to see things like this shooting happen.
  • 7) If you are out at 2:20 in the morning, your risks may also increase.
    Shane Moore, 19, was shot in the back about 2:20 a.m.
    ....although no one deserves to be a victim of a shooting, there's a lot people can do to reduce their risk.
  • There are some things about crime in this neighborhood that I think are true:
    true about crime in all urban areas
  • wonderchimp5 wrote: G.L.A. (grand larceny assault?)
    G.L.A. = Grand Larceny Auto (Car Theft)
  • mr. met wrote: these percentages don't mean a lot if you don't have the raw data.

    if there was 1 murder last year and 2 this year that's a whopping 100% increase, but not a lot of murders.
    Absolutely right. Raw data is required...
  • Park Place wrote:

    Absolutely right. Raw data is required...
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs077pct.pdf

    This is only through 9/12, so Sunday morning's murder is not counted.
  • cccc wrote: [quote=Park Place]

    Absolutely right. Raw data is required...
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs077pct.pdf

    This is only through 9/12, so Sunday morning's murder is not counted.


    yeah. that is where i got my percentages from.
  • wonderchimp5 wrote: definitely heard those gunshots sunday night. is it me or have things gotten worse over the last year and a half?
    hey how many shots was it..?
  • Subject: Re: Fatal Shooting

    cccc wrote: Fyi, last night there was a fatal shooting on New York and St. Marks. The victim ran to Bergen before he collapsed.

    do you know what happen..? what lead up to the shooting?
  • Jack Krohn wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/09/20/2010-09-20_bklyn_teen_slain_in_bid_to_halt_fight.html
    This article indicates it was a dispute over a female, although there is probably more to it.

    Believe it or not, there was another shooting on this block last night (9/20). This time the victim survived.

    From Gothamist:
    Shooting
    1132 Bergen St
    Brooklyn, NY
    9/20/2010 8:28 p.m.
    BROOKLYN: *SHOOTING* 1132 BERGEN ST, LVL 1 MOB CALLED IN REGARDS TO A MALE SHOT NOT LIKELY
  • whynot_31 wrote: 7) If you are out at 2:20 in the morning, your risks may also increase.
    Shane Moore, 19, was shot in the back about 2:20 a.m.
    ....although no one deserves to be a victim of a shooting, there's a lot people can do to reduce their risk.
    The believe the soccer player was shot in front of the Tropics nightclub around 3 or 4 AM. People out at that hour ain't normal.
  • ....I never said anything about "not being normal".

    Simply that one can also reduce their risk by not being out very late. There were 7 ways listed....

    http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map
  • Capt. Planet wrote: The believe the soccer player was shot in front of the Tropics nightclub around 3 or 4 AM. People out at that hour ain't normal.
    What's wrong with being out around 3 or 4 AM? Bars just aren't as much fun during 'prime time' as they are before or after hours. Unless you're a d-bag.
  • cccc wrote: [quote=Jack Krohn]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/09/20/2010-09-20_bklyn_teen_slain_in_bid_to_halt_fight.html
    This article indicates it was a dispute over a female, although there is probably more to it.

    Believe it or not, there was another shooting on this block last night (9/20). This time the victim survived.

    From Gothamist:
    Shooting
    1132 Bergen St
    Brooklyn, NY
    9/20/2010 8:28 p.m.
    BROOKLYN: *SHOOTING* 1132 BERGEN ST, LVL 1 MOB CALLED IN REGARDS TO A MALE SHOT NOT LIKELY


    was this shooting in retaliation to the 19 year old who was killed?
  • did another incident take place around there today..?
  • Th article I'm about to post says there was no relation.
  • They arrested someone

    http://brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=31&id=38238

    Crime Victim Shane Moore Remembered in Crown Heights
    by Brooklyn Eagle ([email protected]), published online 09-22-2010

    Teen Who Recently Graduated Trade School Known as ‘Peacemaker’
    By Zachary Fryer-Biggs
    And Julien Russell Brunet
    Special to Brooklyn Daily Eagle

    CROWN HEIGHTS — Forty eight candles memorializing the life of Shane Moore sat in a pool of blue and green wax in an empty Corona Extra cardboard box at the corner of Sterling Street and Albany Avenue in Crown Heights on Tuesday.

    Wedged between the staves of a fence behind the candles were two blue bandannas, two pictures of Moore, one rosary and four pieces of cardboard scrawled with eulogies.

    “You will truly be missed,” read part of a eulogy signed Tianna. “I can’t stop crying. I can’t eat or sleep, knowing that I’ll never see you in body. You will forever be kept in my heart, mind and soul.”

    Moore died early Monday after being shot in the back on St. Marks Avenue near New York Avenue by a longtime friend who had been arguing with Moore’s former girlfriend.

    According to family members, on Sunday evening Moore, 19, got a phone call from an ex-girlfriend who, at the time, was having an altercation with Brian Augustine on St. Marks Avenue. Moore intervened and found the girl arguing with Augustine, who had struck her in the face, according to Moore’s mother who had discussed the incident with the girl.

    Moore tried to break up the dispute, but at 2:25 a.m., Augustine shot Moore in the back, police said. Moore was taken by EMS to Kings County Hospital, where he was pronounced dead on arrival. Further details were not immediately available.

    “He was a friend-maker, a peacemaker, that was him, that was his motto,” said Tianna Cotto, 18, another ex-girlfriend.

    At the time of his death, Moore was working for KNC Electric, a job he was offered while finishing his studies at Apex Technical School in Manhattan. Moore graduated second in his class in February and was also the youngest student in his class.

    Moore had his issues in the past, specifically with marijuana, that he had fought to successfully overcome, his family said. He spent two years at a drug treatment facility in Upstate New York, where he completed high school and briefly studied culinary arts, before returning to Crown Heights. He lived first with his family while at Apex, and then moved into his own apartment in the neighborhood.

    A message at the vigil, which was constructed on the block where Moore lived, read, “I’m proud you changed your life around & will always be proud,” signed Mandy.

    Moore’s family and friends said he will be remembered as smart, hard-working, outgoing and loyal. “He’s a good kid,” said Collin Barthley, Moore’s father. “There’s no way a detective would come here, and cry unless he was a good kid.”

    Police charged Augustine, 20, with second degree murder and criminal possession of a weapon. He was arraigned Monday, where coincidentally he already had been scheduled to appear, for a hearing on unrelated charges from April 2009. These included assault in the second and third degrees and attempted robbery.

    A day after Moore’s death, there were no vestiges of a crime scene on St. Marks Avenue, no blood in the street, no police tape. There were, however, other unrelated gunshots at the same intersection on Monday night, according to police from the 77th Precinct. And, on Tuesday night, just six blocks away from Moore’s parents’ house on Albany Avenue, a 20-year-old man was gunned down, police said.

    There have been at least 13 murders this year in the precinct, up from 10 during the same period last year and equaling the 2009 murder total.

    “My time living around here, it’s always something stupid, always something tragic,” said Jerry Hendricks, a co-worker of Barthley at a construction company, who will turn 33 on Oct. 11.
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