MERGED: A Morning Daggar/Homicide at Branded

Many people make a similar arguement re: handguns. I can't say I agree with their arguements, or feel the need (probability) to protect myself to this degree. ....but some clearly perceive the world as a dangerous place and feel the need to protect themselves.

I wish they would change their worldview, because (although it sounds trite) when a weapon is involved things are always so much worse.....

Simple disargeements go awry and it is all senseless.

I agree with you Whyfi

I think the police departments and mayors of every big city in America do too.

CWTR, no one is excusing this individual's actions in any way. We were discussing the implication that carrying a knife in general means someone is itching to use it in a fight.

this man who died sounds like he was a nice guy... sorry to hear about this and condolences to his friends and family...Lets hope that the guy who did this never sees the light of day again ( at the very least without prison bars blocking his view

Carnivore wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant]You don't put a deadly weapon in your pocket cause your Mr Joe Nice Guy. You do it cause you're waiting for someone to cross you.

I disagree with this. Not everyone who carries a knife around is looking to stab someone.



Yes, I agree. Even my husband carries one (for box cutting and general utilitarian use)- and he actually got caught on the subway with it once. It was legal, but they handcuffed him anyway. I wrote that in regards to the human shit bag who stabbed two people I knew- and I'm still upset. I don't think that a convicted murderer should be allowed to carry a knife on their person.

As for last night's vigil- it was a lovely ceremony attended by Tisch James, Eric Adams and Mr and Mrs Tillman, Chai's parents who were too distraught to speak.

Dan, the man who was stabbed in the neck and (amazingly and thankfully) survived also spoke- and it was heartfelt and passionate. But all one really had to do was look at his neck, which bared dozens of stitches that made it very, very real to those of us that weren't there that evening.

I know many of those that were there on the night Dan and Chai were stabbed. They told me their stories that painted a picture of pure joy and fun that evening prior to the incident. It is unfathomable to all who were there, how in an instant the evening turned as dark and evil as it was light just seconds prior. They also spoke in detail of the horrible results of that piece of shit's actions. Even though I wasn't there- their memories have painted a devastating picture in my mind that is truly beyond comprehension. My heart hurts when I think of the pain they're suffering and will continue to suffer. Dan and Chai weren't the only victims- the friends that were there that night are now scarred for life.

This was not a gang related incident. The people who were injured and killed were incredibly decent and kind human beings. This was an act of extreme violence and lack of respect for anything decently human on people who wanted nothing to do with this garbage. While I feel bad for young kids with guns who kill one another in my neighborhood, I feel worse for Dan and Chai- this was their place of employment as well as a place where they enjoyed music and friends. It should have been their sanctuary.

Someone here mentioned some writing on the memorial, and I want to explain - the message for last night's vigil was to keep Chai alive (and 'branded' if you will) in our hearts and minds. To NOT let the senseless violence affect how we treat one another, our neighbors. It was asked of us to open ourselves to one another even more, be more friendly and caring to those that we share this really lovely community with. To let love rule and to give peace a chance. Cliche, maybe, but those thoughts are what's going to get Chai's friends and loved ones peace in their hearts- so Chai won't die in vain.

Support Branded Saloon. Stop by, have a beer and some sweet potato fries. Most people don't know what to say to people who are grieving, but just know you don't have to say anything. A smile and a hello is not only sufficient, it's neighborly.

whynot_31 wrote: http://gothamist.com/2010/10/03/vigil_held_for_slain_brooklyn_barte.php#comments

Mrs. Pagan can kiss my fucking ass.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=Whatchuwant][quote=whynot_31]http://gothamist.com/2010/10/03/vigil_held_for_slain_brooklyn_barte.php#comments

Mrs. Pagan can kiss my fucking ass.

I feel like I need to watch Rashamon again after this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect

Indeed.

BTW, there's an ultra timely story in today's NYT re: people who argue that they they should be carry weapons into places that serve alcohol because they believe that "they" are not the problem.

Somehow they are immune from whatever the hell makes someone kill someone, and should therefore be able to walk around with a weapon, just because they have not committed a crime in the past: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/us/04guns.html

.....which would kinda mean that anyone who made it to 18 without committing a crime would have this right. ...which would be kinda weird because a lot of people are first arrested at say 23 years old, as a result of drunken fist fight ....which (because they are armed) may instead result in someone dead, and someone charged with a variety of homocide (murder, manslaughter, etc.).