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Every time a tea party candidate wins a nomination, I smile - Page 3 — Brooklynian

Every time a tea party candidate wins a nomination, I smile

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  • Tea Party candidates: more hypocrisy and meaningless populist anger than your average jerky politician?
    The most common trait of so-called "Tea Party" candidates is that they rail against government spending. The second most common trait of so-called "Tea Party" candidates is that they're the direct beneficiaries of government spending.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/tea_partiers_on_the_dole.html?wprss=plum-line
    Tea Partyers on the dole

    Adam Serwer is a staff writer for The American Prospect, where he writes his own blog.

    The most common trait of so-called "Tea Party" candidates is that they rail against government spending. The second most common trait of so-called "Tea Party" candidates is that they're the direct beneficiaries of government spending.

    It's a trend that's so consistent it would have been rejected as a plot point on a 1970s sitcom because it's too much of a cliche. Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul, who recently called Medicaid "welfare," nevertheless supports medicare payments to doctors because he's an ophthalmologist who thinks "physicians should be allowed to make a comfortable living." New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino, a real estate millionaire who warned "the ruling class" about "the people's revolution" in his primary acceptance speech, secured $1.4 million in squandered government subsidies. Alaskan Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller has admitted to receiving farm subsidies but like a number of his colleagues running for office this year thinks the minimum wage is unconstitutional. Then, of course, there's Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle, who wants to privatize veteran's health care and is herself a recipient of health care from the federal government.

    As Jonathan Chait writes in his review of the new book by the American Enterprise Institute's Arthur Brooks, while conservatives want to believe they're a part of some manichean struggle between the forces of capitalism and statism, conservatives and liberals are actually both seeking some degree of balance between market and state. The frame of a binary struggle may benefit conservatives politically as they try to portray themselves as the Luke Skywalker half of a lightsaber duel with Darth Vader, but as the Tea Party candidates on the dole show, they're not so much against government spending as they are against government spending on other people.

    That's what this argument is really about -- not whether the government shapes the market, but who benefits. As these Tea Party candidates' opposition to everything from health-care coverage to the poor to a federal minimum wage standard shows, they're simply opposed to government intervention on behalf of those who might actually need it.

    By Adam Serwer | October 5, 2010; 12:07 PM ET
  • Hahahaha: awesome update just posted to the blog post above:
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/joe-millers-wife-received-unemployment-benefits-miller-called-not-constitutionally-authorized.php wrote: Brian Beutler reports[/url] that Miller's wife received unemployment benefits, despite Miller's contention that they're "not constitutionally authorized."
    These people are shameless hacks.
  • Oh look, the Tea Party actually doesn't represent the untapped sentiments of anger that Americans have towards their government. Because when pressed on specific issues, Americans don't actually actively hate their government.

    I look forward* to the mainstream media responsibly reporting these facts, instead of mindlessly parroting the falsehood that the Tea Party movement represents some *new* powerful small government sentiment.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/09/AR2010100903308.html?wpisrc=nl_cuzhead wrote: the Post/Kaiser Family Foundation/Harvard University poll[/url], large majorities among the public say that Medicare (96 percent), Social Security (95 percent), food stamps (82 percent), federal aid to public schools (91 percent), unemployment benefits (91 percent) and environmental protection (89 percent) are important government programs. For the functions served by these government programs, large majorities also say they want to see more federal government involvement, not less. For example, 64 percent of respondents said they want to see more federal government involvement in reducing poverty; 61 percent want more government involvement in protecting the environment; and 52 percent want more government involvement in ensuring access to health care. And as our own survey found, presented with a choice, more people want government to spend more now to create jobs and improve the economy (50 percent) than do those who want government to avoid increasing the federal deficit (46 percent).
    *It will never happen.
  • They just want the programs to be free, and are convinced no one is "deserving" of the benefits but them?
  • It's still the case that some of these tea party candidates are a joke.
    (Alaska candidate Joe) Miller said last week that he will no longer answer reporters' questions about his background...
    Who says something like that? How dysfunctional are we as an electorate if this is an acceptable position?

    More here:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/18/AR2010101800629.html
  • Christine O'Donnell might benefit from a passing acquaintance with the Bill of Rights.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101902501.html

    This is at least one tea-bagger that has probably moved what could have been a hotly contested seat into the Democrats' hands.
  • Carnivore wrote: This is at least one tea-bagger that has probably moved what could have been a hotly contested seat into the Democrats' hands.
    Ding ding ding.

    That won't stop the media's narrative in November that the Tea Party is still 'taking the country by storm' and is a boon to the Republicans.
  • Frank Rich with an interesting take on O'Donnell and the tea party's value to Republicans.

    He argues that they provide a very misleading yet useful populist cover to the Republicans who, in his words, are even more beholden to corporate interests than Democrats (which would be saying something).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/opinion/03rich.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
  • Whether or not they get elected, I still maintain that a high number of tea party candidates are jokes.
  • yes, I think such candidates will undermine the new party once they get elected.

    ....I wish I knew how to form a party, and keep it from being taken over (as Carnivore's second article points out) by nuts obsessed with "guns, god and gays".

    Without a platform and system of control, the Tea Party is destroying itself before it ever gets off the ground.

    ....Sadly, I fear America will continue on its present course until a viable third party is formed.
  • ....Sadly, I fear America will continue on its present course until a viable third party is formed.
    agree 1 million percent.

    Nothing would be better for our country if both parties were divided into a couple extra parties that better represented their constituencies and acted as a check & balance against the corporate take over of both parties.
  • Like I was saying
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/27/AR2010102707428.html?hpid=topnews wrote: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans[/url]

    The tea party's volatile influence on this election year appears to be doing more harm than good for Republicans' chances in some of the closest races in the nation, in which little-known candidates who upset the establishment with primary wins are now stumbling in the campaign's final days.

    In Kentucky, a volunteer for tea-party-backed Senate candidate Rand Paul was videotaped stepping on the head of a liberal protester. In Delaware and Colorado, Senate hopefuls Christine O'Donnell and Ken Buck, respectively, are under fire for denying that the First Amendment's establishment clause dictates a separation of church and state. In Nevada, GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle is drawing rebuke for running TV ads that portray Latino immigrants as criminals and gang members.

    Perhaps the most dramatic tea party problems are in Alaska, where Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller is suffering another round of unfavorable headlines after it was revealed late Tuesday that he had admitted lying about his misconduct while working as a government lawyer in Fairbanks.

    Miller was conducting his own poll in 2008 in an effort to oust a state GOP chairman, and he used his colleagues' computers to vote in the survey, then erased their computers' caches to try to hide what he had done.

    "I was beyond stupid," he wrote in a letter of apology included in documents ordered released by a judge Tuesday. He was suspended for three days without pay, according to the documents.

    Miller, who was considered a shoo-in just two months ago when he defeated Sen. Lisa Murkowski in the Republican primary, was already falling quickly in GOP and Democratic internal polls before Tuesday's revelations, strategists said. Last week, he was in the spotlight when a campaign-paid security guard handcuffed a reporter who tried to ask Miller a question.

    Such moments are giving Democrats hope that the few undecided voters who remain may become turned off and move away from Republicans in the closer races nationwide, including those in Colorado, Nevada and Kentucky.

    "In state after state, Republicans nominated a less viable general-election candidate, and that's more on display than ever in these final days of the campaign," said Eric Schultz, a spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee...
  • Unfortunately, boygabriel (& others), your confidence was misplaced.

    Tea Party = Victory

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/us/politics/03elect.html?src=mv
  • oh well.

    Someday my platform will work... but for now, the pendulum swings right.

    whynot_31 wrote: Believe it or not, I agree with the original ideals of the Tea Party. Those ideals have now been lost (or buried by the media, whichever you prefer):

    Trade Deficit reductions.
    Reduction in Federal Spending.

    ....but I have yet to see anyone talk about what I feel would be needed to achieve these goals. I see both the problem and the solution differently than many people:

    American wages are way too high to complete in the world marketplace. So far, I've only heard folks complain about illegal immigrants because they depress their wages. While I agree that illegal immigrants bring wages down, I believe that many employers would simply cease to exist if US citizens were given the ability to dictate how much citizens should be paid. Citizens are unwillingly to take pay cuts to make the nation competitive, so immigrants have arrived (via legal as well as illegal means) to underbid them in the marketplace.

    Our Federal debt and trade deficits have given us the belief that we deserve the standard of living that we are accustomed to.

    If we are going to become a nation that is not dependent upon federal income redistribution plans, we are going to have to produce a good or service that the world demands. I've been disappointed that the stimulus $ has not invested more in infrastructure. ....let's pick some worldwide industries and dominate them.

    ....for a change, let's be the nation that gets dragged in front of the World Trade Organization for dumping OUR goods and services on some other nation.

    I'm all for creating a populace that believes it is responsible for having a set of skills that makes it employable, and that the government is not responsible for creating make-work jobs that will get us no where in the long run.

    How's this for an election platform?

    "with me as your representative, your standard of living will fall and you will not pass on debt to the next generation. You will make the sacrifices that are required to make this country competitve again"

    [....damn, only I voted for me.]
  • Whose smiling now :lol:
  • eggcream wrote: Whose smiling now :lol:
    Billionaires.
  • eggcream wrote: Whose smiling now :lol:
    Harry Reid.

    Chris Coons.

    Andrew Cuomo.

    All the Democrats who may have faced a competitive election but instead steamrolled weak tea party candidates.
    krowonhill wrote: Unfortunately, boygabriel (& others), your confidence was misplaced.
    The Tea Party didn't help Repubs win any highly contested seats, and it took some competitive races (above) and handed them to the Dems.

    This is pretty much exactly what I predicted. Harry Reid agrees.
  • Folks who dream of the destruction of the two party system?
  • Boygabriel wrote: [quote=eggcream]Whose smiling now :lol:
    Harry Reid.

    Chris Coons.

    Andrew Cuomo.

    All the Democrats who may have faced a competitive election but instead steamrolled weak tea party candidates.
    krowonhill wrote: Unfortunately, boygabriel (& others), your confidence was misplaced.
    The Tea Party didn't help Repubs win any highly contested seats, and it took some competitive races (above) and handed them to the Dems.

    This is pretty much exactly what I predicted. Harry Reid agrees.


    Wrong as usual. The Tea Party helped kick Progressive's asses. The Tea Party kicked out Feingold. They helped elect Marco Rubio and Rand Paul who won despite Bill Clinton showing up at the last minute. A lot of the candidates the Tea Party backed were non-establishment, and they won. Republicans even got President Obama's seat.....enemies indeed eh, President Obama. :lol: We got Ohio even after President Obama campaigned for Strickland. Tn, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, SC. That nut job Alan Grayson is gone! It was an historic night last night. Best of all we kicked out the wicked bitch er witch, Pelosi. Not only do we have control of the house we took some of the senate majority away. Now we can repeal some of obamacare, extend some of the Bush tax cuts. It was a great night and looks like some of ya'll are sitting in the back now :lol:
  • Tea Partiers won races where Obama campaigned? That's your standard?

    The Tea Party kept Reid in office, and put Delaware in Dem hands. And your boy Paladino got his clock cleaned.

    The Repubs were going to take seats either way. The Tea Party simply helped ensure they wouldn't retake the senate.
  • Boygabriel wrote: Tea Partiers won races where Obama campaigned? That's your standard?

    The Tea Party kept Reid in office, and put Delaware in Dem hands. And your boy Paladino got his clock cleaned.

    The Repubs were going to take seats either way. The Tea Party simply helped ensure they wouldn't retake the senate.
    In case you were drowning your sorrows in your green tea last night, we won an unprecedented 60 seats and might still get some more. Did democrats pick up 60 seats with President Obama in 08? No, they did not.

    Union thugs kept Reid in office as well as in New York and California.
  • :(

    Tea Party candidates cost the GOP three seats they otherwise would have won. News orgs in Colorado have now declared that Senator Michael Bennet has defeated Tea Party candidate Ken Buck. Christine O'Donnell cost the GOP the Delaware seat, which they would have won in a walk if she hadn't prevailed in a fluke primary victory. And Harry Reid was widely written off as a dead Senator walking -- until Sharron Angle's victory in her primary gave him his only opening to retain his seat.

    Those three seats would have brought the GOP to 50.
    Damn those mythical union thugs!


    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/did_tea_party_cost_gop_50-50_s.html
  • Boygabriel wrote: :(

    Tea Party candidates cost the GOP three seats they otherwise would have won. News orgs in Colorado have now declared that Senator Michael Bennet has defeated Tea Party candidate Ken Buck. Christine O'Donnell cost the GOP the Delaware seat, which they would have won in a walk if she hadn't prevailed in a fluke primary victory. And Harry Reid was widely written off as a dead Senator walking -- until Sharron Angle's victory in her primary gave him his only opening to retain his seat.

    Those three seats would have brought the GOP to 50.
    Damn those mythical union thugs!


    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/did_tea_party_cost_gop_50-50_s.html

    How immature can you Mods get changing barry to president obama. Tampering with people's posts is pathetic. Feathers ruffled again Carny.


    "Candidates backed by the Tea Party scored major victories in Tuesday's mid-term elections even as some of its most high profile candidates suffered upsets.

    From South Carolina to Wisconsin, candidates endorsed by Tea Party groups defeated Democrats in unlikely states.

    Nikki Haley became the first woman and Indian-American governor in South Carolina.

    One of the biggest Tea Party wins was in Wisconsin, where Republican businessman Ron Johnson defeated incumbent Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold.

    Rand Paul, an ophthalmologist-turned-politician in Kentucky and one of the first major Tea Party candidates, defeated his opponent Democrat Jack Conway despite bitter campaigns that questioned his personal beliefs and ability to lead.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2010_Elections/vote-2010-elections-tea-party-winners-losers/story?id=12023076
  • A republican won in Kentucky!? Truly this is a revolutionary mid term election!
    It is the first time since Senators were directly elected under the 17th Amendment in 1914 that the House has changed party majorities but the Senate has not.
    Thanks again Ms Angle and O'Donnell! Without you, Harry Reid would be out of a job.
  • eggcream wrote:
    How immature can you Mods get changing barry to president obama. Tampering with people's posts is pathetic.
    Through this entire thread, I've got to say that this is the one thing I've found on which I agree w/ Eggcream, if the accusation is true.

    Just because we don't agree with the rants of our politically ideological opposites doesn't mean we shouldn't let them speak their minds in their own words.
  • To paraphrase Bart Simpson (or quote verbatim): "I didn't do it!"

    I'm sorry this happened. I'm checking with the mods now to see why/how it happened. At the same time, I don't think we should make a huuuge deal out of it. Eggcream, I give you special dispensation to go back and edit your own posts to say "barry" if it floats your boat.

    Not like you need my special dispensation... it's free speech, after all!
  • the point is not if the Tea Party helped the Republicans win seats, it did.
    It is if the Tea Party helped the Republicans win seats they otherwise would not have and that is a much more difficult case to prove. Without researching it too deeply my inclination is that it did not.

    Accounting for seats where a Tea Party candidate allowed a Dem a better chance to win, it is hard to say whether or not the net contribution of the Tea Party was positive or negative to the Republican electoral gains.

    Another question is how well will the Tea Party candidates work with other Republicans? perhaps not well at all.
  • vidro makes the media's narratives sad.

    A majority of Democrats that lost seats were in conservative or swing districts.

    And it can be demonstrated that the tea party most likely killed the Republicans chance at splitting the Senate 50/50.

    The Tea Party's grand victory sure makes for exciting sound bites though. From NPR to NYTimes to Fox News.
  • dailyheights wrote: To paraphrase Bart Simpson (or quote verbatim): "I didn't do it!"

    I'm sorry this happened. I'm checking with the mods now to see why/how it happened. At the same time, I don't think we should make a huuuge deal out of it. Eggcream, I give you special dispensation to go back and edit your own posts to say "barry" if it floats your boat.

    Not like you need my special dispensation... it's free speech, after all!
    Seriously? Why and how. A moron can tell you why and how. One or more of the "Mods" on here didn't like what I wrote so they changed it. Simple. Not a huge deal? Let's see, we already have one thread about Carnivore and Mod Abuse, I say let's have another. I'll take a survey asking how many people think it's ok for immature "Mods" to change posts they don't like and of course you'll make it Global so all can take part. Let's see if it floats their boat to have their posts changed. And no, it's not free speech. Ya might want to refresh yourself with the meaning.
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