Returning bottles and cans for deposit
This is actually near impossible based on an experiment I recently did. Three stores in the area have machines: the MET, Key Food on Flatbush, Key Food on 5th avenue. All of their machines were either unavailable or broken. Legally they're supposed to take the returns anyway --- any store that charges deposit must take the bottle back --- but no one wants to. I was turned away by the institutions above and other ones saying "we don't do that here." Quite interesting.
Those people that collect cans and bottles for money to live on: that job is actually even harder than I thought.
Does everyone do what I used to do, leave all returnable items in your recycling bins?
Those people that collect cans and bottles for money to live on: that job is actually even harder than I thought.
Does everyone do what I used to do, leave all returnable items in your recycling bins?
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I sort our bottles and cans out separately from the rest of our recyclables and put them at the curb. They are quickly taken. I hate the hassle and with no machines around I find myself standing by the counter of a store with heavy boxes/bags all for a couple of bucks. I'm fine with paying the 5cents and having it just be gone. I know it's a deposit, but I can do without. I just don't find it worth the hassle -- and will gladly "donate" to those who find it worth their effort.
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Grocery stores don't want them, so the "professionals" (those with carts and beat up cars and vans) go to places that specialize in redeeming bottles and cans.
There seems to be one on Pacific at approximately Grand Ave. ....my guess is that they give the folks something like 4 cents per redeemable, and exist due to the slim margin.
tough, dirty business. -
i see folks who look at least semi-professional (serious hobbyists?) at the met on vandy pretty regularly.
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side story: My parents live in Pennsylvania which does not have a deposit. That said, you can sell aluminum cans for 8cents per pound to the recycler. My parents collect cans. People who are friends of friends come over to my parents' house to drop of HUGE garbage bags of soda/beer cans. I used to come home from school to find 1-3 trash bags on our front porch from "someone" who had left them for my parents. We lived on a dead-end street so kids would drink beer at the end of the street. Each morning my parents would go for a walk and come back with a grocery bag full of cans.
It was only 8 cents per pound, but my mom's ENTIRE Girl Scout troop went to Savannah, GA one year, Disney another year, and spent a week here in NYC on just cookie sales and CAN MONEY. -
Your mom's a Girl Scout?
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side story: My uncle lives in TN, and is arguably the cheapest man on earth. Despite being a professional, he picks up cans. Lots of them.
TN does not have a return deposit.
As a result, he stores the cans in his garage and backyard until he believes the price of aluminum will peak. When the market is low, his collection sometimes reaches hundreds of bags.
When he decides the price is "high enough" he rents a U-Haul and drives all the bags to the place that buys aluminum.
....his neighbors hate him, but he's a good guy. -
booklaw wrote: Your mom's a Girl Scout?
Well, yes. She's a leader for 4 troops -- 2 are after-school troops for high-school girls and 2 are for junior-high girls that meet during the school day. It's in a school for "hard-to-handle" girls who were removed from their regular public schools and put into a smaller setting due to behavior/social issues.
I am also a Girl Scout with a troop for 4th/5th graders :-) -
That's wonderful.
When our daughters were in elementary school, they wanted to join the Scouts, but because of all of the two-income families (including ours), there weren't enough moms willing to be leaders.
Somehow they grew up straight and strong anyway, but it would have been nice had they had the opportunity to join. -
I just thought it interesting that I paid for something again and again and again and basically just threw the money away by putting it outside in the recycled materials. And that's cool, like you said, others willing to do the work can reap the rewards. (a nice reward in my case, I drink a good amount of beer) But the fact that I can't really even get my money back --- at least in any easy way --- is a bit troubling. The system is set up in a very strange way. It benefits these bottle-pickers I suppose.
The machines I visited -- the ones that were working. So fucking gross. -
OTB -- That I agree with. It is very wrong to charge us and then not take the returns.
Thought: What about the beer place on Washington near Bergen? They're great and charge the fee -- I wonder if they'd take the cases of empties too.
I also bet it would be easier to hand someone an empty case of bottles and then buy a full case -- they wouldn't have to hand you $1.20 and then charge you that same amount on a new case later on. It would just be an even swap. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: But the fact that I can't really even get my money back --- at least in any easy way --- is a bit troubling. The system is set up in a very strange way. It benefits these bottle-pickers I suppose.
The "system" also benefits NYS. All of the $ from the unredeemed bottles goes into the state's treasury. -
I've brought bottles to Foodtown on McDonald Ave before. They don't have a machine but they'll take the bottles.
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I've seen people redeeming at Key Food on 5th, but my guess is that they fill up the machines pretty quickly. Key Food also limits the amount an individual can redeem on a single day. I've never understood why charities in NYC don't get in on this gig. I'm sure that if one of the local schools or service organizations asked our board, they'd allow a collection bin in the basement if the service org. would come and collect.
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bohuma wrote: I've never understood why charities in NYC don't get in on this gig. I'm sure that if one of the local schools or service organizations asked our board, they'd allow a collection bin in the basement if the service org. would come and collect.
That is dirty work for little money. I once did a service day at an org. that did just what you described. You would not believe the stuff people would throw in with the cans, or that people would throw half-drunk cans of soda in with the empties. There were about a half dozen of us who spent the day sorting, emptying and cleaning those cans. I think at the end of it we had like $50.
I really wish that Key Foods and the Met would get rid of those redemption machines. They're almost always jammed or full, and I've seen near fights break out between can collectors or collectors and store employees over those things. -
By law, supermarkets are supposed to take the bottles in return ....supermarkets hate this law. They don't want to store the cans, or have the can professionals near their store.
....so the struggle you describe is a common one.
And most professionals go to places like the one at Pacific and approximately Grand -
Update: I returned about a dozen glass bottles to the Met. 4 of them went through their machine. The rest --- most of them bought at the Met --- did not scan and weren't accepted. But the Met guys are pretty cool and accepted them inside the store. But not until after I had to go into the bowels of the Met to find someone to count them. Even then the dude wouldn't believe me that they sold me Brooklyn Sorachi Ale --- despite it being on the shelf. At the end of the day I made .70. Not worth it. The other bottles they wouldn't take --- even the Can People at the machines wouldn't touch them when I offered them to them. Pretty fucked up process.
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Start calling 311 and report/ask what to do OR:
Separate the bottles/cans (personally, not the super or home owner's job) from your garbage, empty them out and put them out for the can/bottle people.
Believe me, the folks who take them really need the money.
If you live in a "home" apartment, you could put them in a bag and hook it on to the fence for folks to pick up and redeem. This may not be feasible in a condo/co-op/apartment building, -- but I am sure you could think of some other way to neatly dispose of them, but won't make suggestions here.
The really good bottle/can professionals try very hard not to mess up the garbage bags or litter. They are basically discrete and don't want to bother anyone and don't want to be bothered. They tend to have their own territories.
They are aware of the times Met Food and Key Food open up the machines and will stand in line. Once the bottles and cans (now, includes WATER bottles) are redeemed a receipt is printed out. The recycler goes into the store and redeems the receipt.
The machines brake and clog, you have to wait for someone from the store to come out and empty the bags, the machines smell bad, it can be a demeaning procedure and one must have patience -- whether you are a "professional" or a regular Joe/Mary who wants their money back.
If folks don't speak up, like traffic laws, MTA shenanigans, bicycle laws, Murphy's Law, things just keep going in a New York century. -
It's just interesting that something as small as this could be so infected with bad administration, lack of laws, and just be so corrupted. And true, that seems the case with so many things. People probably say Who cares? about this issue but if we can't get something like this right, we obviously can't get the big things right.
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If you have a vehicle, there is another set of bottle return machines at Western Beef on Empire just off of Washington. Usually its just the pros there using the machines, but they seem to always be in operation.
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Gothamist studies how much can be earned as a pro
http://gothamist.com/2010/11/02/how_much_can_you_earn_picking_up_bo.php
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