shooting on Utica and Eastern parkway...

A bit ironic, don't you think?

One of the victims was a 58 year old woman waiting for the bus

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7737075

A bit ironic, don't you think?

Actually, nah.

My sister lives on the south side of Chicago, where Cease Fire (on which SOS is modeled) is located. ....she has the same experience: Shootings continue despite the marches.

I guess the thought is something along the lines of: "if this is ever going to change, the people who care about these kids (a lot of the shooters and intended targets are young people) need to get to know each other to look for long term solutions."

Parents teaching the kids conflict resolution skills was emphasized.

I also heard a lot of condemnation of the "anti-snitching" and "police are the enemy" ethos.

....there's also the bit about telling survivors we are sorry for their loss. Not to put it mildly, but it does suck to have someone you know murdered, or be shot and survive. It especially sucks if YOU are the person you know who is murdered or shot.

....Anyone who thinks someone is not going to shoot someone else because a bunch of do-gooders and relatives walked by chanting is going to burn out quickly. It should be no surprise that ingrained habits and criminal behavior isn't a short term problem, and doesn't have a short term solution.

Nobody I talked to tonight was naive enough to think some signs and some candles were going to change anything all of the sudden. My sense was a lot of us either worked in the field, or were relatives of somebody that had been murdered.

I don't think I'm a cynic when I state if you have a scenario in which you have an armed, angry, uneducated guy who is hanging out at the corner of Utica and Eastern Parkway looking for a known nemesis ....it is already way too late. Perhaps tonight's scenario met this description?

Regardless, it was good to see everyone. If nothing else, such events allow people to know other people are struggling to figure out answers to this stuff, and grieve the dead.

P.S. The shooting reportedly happened around 7:15 PM, I'm glad the group had made it to Franklin Ave by then. The Utica station and the B46 attracts quite a crowd, more people would not have made a difference to this shooter....

http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59792

I think there was 150 of us.

A thoughtful, but not morbid crowd. I even perceived the family members as a pro-arrest sorta crowd; certainly not a pro-vigilante retribution bunch.

Was the shooter caught?

Pure speculation, but it may be a case of the shooter wanting more street cred.

Let's assume I've decided to kill someone I know, and I know that the police will be able to figure out I am the killer because the guy I'm about to kill sold me bad drugs, slept with my girlfriend, whatever ....basically, my nemesis made me look like a punk somehow, and I think my street cred and manhood is on the line.

Being that I've already made this decision, I may then decide to do this in a way that shows I am a "mighty man".

I can kill him on Christmas or on his birthday, so my murder will have the most impact on his family.

I can use a fancy gun and shoot him 22 times, so I can show others how badly I wanted him dead.

I can kill him at a crowded street, to show that I am ruthless and don't care about anyone, or being caught.

....it all depends upon what I think will give me the best reputation for being "hard core" in prison. Remember, I've already decided I am going to prison, and there is a good chance I have been there before.

whynot_31 wrote: [quote=cccc][quote=whynot_31]

A bit ironic, don't you think?

Actually, nah.
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I would say it is. Less than an hour after march left, there was a shooting on the same exact corner; at the least that was extremely coincidental.

P.S. I'm not saying the marches shouldn't be conducted.

I'm not going to debate "ironic" vs "coincidental".

...but I will say given the history of Utica Avenue, it may have been due to for another shooting being that the last one reportedly happened last month.

(aren't I cheery?)

Ok, for argument sake lets say there is a shooting on Utica on Eastern every month. There are 720 hours in 30 days. That means that there would have been a 1 in 720 chance that the shooting would have occurred within the hour of the march.

You forgot to factor in that Wednesday is one of the least active days crime wise.
Whatever way you slice it, the odds were low.

I never said the marches shouldn't be held or that they don't have the potential to do good. I'm positive incident was completely coincidental to the march; I never claimed that one lead to the other.

All I initially stated was that it was ironic, nothing else.

The bottom line is that there is now an innocent 58 year old woman laying in a hospital because some moron wanted to prove his toughness.

it's a shame there wasn't somebody carrying concealed who could get rid of the thug who did this, once and for all. people like this don't deserve to live.

Or judgement

No target besides the glass window? Weird account