What will ultimately save and/or destroy CH?

whynot_31 wrote: Thank you. 78% is not 100%.

Now lets find income stats which depict Crown Heghts middle class

Hmmm, here are homeownership rates for the city as a whole, and broken down by ethnicity. ....big focus on Hispanic folks, but blacks are certainly written about.

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/lastudies/latinodataprojectreports/Home Ownership Rates among New York City's Racia lEthnic Groups and Latino Nationalities in 2000.pdf

(cut and paste into browser, don't just click)

aha!
here we go!
http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/pr/vacancy.shtml

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/nychvs/nychvs.html

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/nychvs/2008/userinfo.html

hmmmm page 181 of the CD8 Community Needs statement.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/pub/bkneeds_2011.pdf#bk08

reports that 15.8% of units in CD8 are occupied by their owner. ....but we are fixated on race ....those could be all the white ones. They aren't, but they could be.

must. find. data. that. shows. percent. of. black. people. in. CH. that. own.

RIP ACORN
http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/144/brooklynbattle.html

Maybe xoxox

I do agree that CTK knows what he is talking about, but I'm unsure he can save/destroy CH.

Cool The Kid wrote: [quote=krowonhill]But neither of these comments address the core issue which I raised:

Why are you (and so many) on this board absolutely apoplectic over MHA's views which reflect those of disenfranchised poor blacks who make up a major part of our community?

Your posts don't read like they come from reasonable people...

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not apoplectic over MHA's views or POV. In fact numerous times I have pointed out the value it *could* have, if not for statements like this:

"Y'all move in, and Black people take guns and kill other Black people; rape other Black people. It blows my mind. I am aghast at it. And the more you move in, the more it happens."

Which, when questioned ("MHA, what do you mean? How do white people moving in prompt more black on black crime? What about individual responsibility? Do you have any documented proof of what you claim), is answered not with any proof or sound reasoning, but outrage that he could even be questioned, and is only being silenced by indignant white folks who can't stand to hear the (his) "truth".

I've said it before a million times... it's the combo of his outright lies, anger, and lack of logic/proof/reasoning behind it that, quite frankly, pisses me off about MHA. Instead of coming across as the much needed alternative voice and advocate of the poor black people he and you claim he is, he just comes off as misguided, belligerent & illogical. And nearly every time he speaks on race relations in CH, he sets his agenda back another step and further puts his foot in his mouth. It's frustrating & at times down right depressing, and most importantly is diversionary and counterproductive in the context of the agenda of working towards folks not even getting along, but at least coexisting peacefully. The last thing CH needs is more racial tension (which is not to say discussions on the realities of race relations should be taboo). I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing my neighbor blames all the problems of his neighborhood on me solely for the color of my skin, regardless of the true causes of the goings on in the neighborhood and my actual part in them. Nor would I think it is fair, as it isn't. And of course, if such egregious baseless accusations were lobbied towards black people, I honestly don't know what MHA would do.

Can you make out MHA's points and validations behind them in here? He always claims I am misunderstanding them; if you are getting something out of them that I'm not I'd def. like to hear an alternate take.