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CHE wrote: ...people who say they're from Minnesota to cover up that they're from Wisconsin...
What? You're going to let Dakota off the hook that easy?
In any event, I think that that would be an excellent idea! It is difficult to eat more than can fit in a small basket... but only one case?!
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EmilyM wrote: Kids drink an unbelievable amount of soda these days, and maybe education could convince them to drink water some of the time--that's free!
When I stopped drinking soda(pop), I dropped 10-15 lbs... I was drinking 2-4 bottles a day- probably a liter or so. -
Dropping the sugar from soda and in my daily tea helped me lose too. I realized I was consuming a huge amount of calories on stuff that didn't make me feel full at all. More room for cheese
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Flexichick wrote: Dropping the sugar from soda and in my daily tea helped me lose too. I realized I was consuming a huge amount of calories on stuff that didn't make me feel full at all. More room for cheese
it's really disturbing to me that a glass of OJ is now a "treat" -
kensingtonmom wrote: Brooklyn Potter that was a very good post. I wish you luck. At least taking the child part off the table is somewhat freeing so that you don't feel pressure to marry the first semi-reasonable idiot that comes along. I hope you find someone.
Excuse me for being tangential. Over the last five years, I have grown to despise fertility doctors. During that time span, my friend and his wife, who are hell-bent on having their own genetic child and refuse to adopt, have spend literally a fortune on fertility treatments and procedures. My friend’s wife is always sick, has become obese, and they never have sex. Ironic that the old-fashioned, natural way to have babies is forgotten in laboratory’s madness. They keep opening their wallets to pay for fertility treatments. Doctors keep giving them hope. It never ends. You would think that a medical code of ethics to prevent this sort of thing. The amount of money they’ve paid for failed treatments could fund a child’s college education. Can the pickled body of any women undergoing taking various fertility drugs for half a decade even deliver a non-toxic baby?
I would like to say that deciding to have children is also a complicated decision. I would say that most of my friends with children were not the goo goo maternal baby loving types. I never really cared for babies at all, didn't want to be pregnant and actually hated being pregnant. I was so sick of everyone touching my stomach and feeling trapped by my enormous (twins) stomach. And the first few months for me and many of my friends was not happy baby bliss. Then you wonder.....what is wrong with ME that this is not the happiest moment of my life? Anyway, anybody who has a life and isn't 22 usually does grapple somewhat with the decision. In my case, I am not sure what made me take the leap. For me, I am happy I did but I also see how much I gave up in order to gain something else.
By the way I know the triplets mom and that was actually quadruplets to start with and one died. Fertility treatments gone wild on a fundamentalist. I always felt very sad that the one baby never left the hospital and spent a year of its life in the NICU--never had fresh air or saw sunlight. O.K. don't want to get too controversial, but can't help thinking reducing one would have been the kinder choice in the long run. -
brooklynpotter wrote: [quote=Flexichick]Dropping the sugar from soda and in my daily tea helped me lose too. I realized I was consuming a huge amount of calories on stuff that didn't make me feel full at all. More room for cheese
it's really disturbing to me that a glass of OJ is now a "treat"
With corn syrup, sugar, and over 30 preservatives added to many traditional American foods surrounding us, a glass of pure orange juice truly is a treat. If you need to lose weight, it’s best to skip the orange juice and eat whole oranges that have less calories and more fiber. -
Anonymous wrote: If you need to lose weight, it’s best to skip the orange juice and eat whole oranges that have less calories and more fiber.
ergo, a treat. like a piece of cheese, or peanut butter.
these things are not supposed to be treats. these are the things we ate as healthy snacks when we were kids. -
just finished an entire dark chocolate bar. 70% :oops:
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quijibo wrote: just finished an entire dark chocolate bar. 70% :oops:
have you had the ones with the orange in them, with almost slivers? unreal.
i ate an entire pint of ben and jerry's -
brooklynpotter wrote: [quote=quijibo]just finished an entire dark chocolate bar. 70% :oops:
have you had the ones with the orange in them, with almost slivers? unreal.
i ate an entire pint of ben and jerry's
oh yea. those are good
the ones with ginger are kickass too
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EmilyM wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]
Well, I think we're basically agreeing, then. But I still think that just because education won't solve the entire problem, that doesn't mean one should give up on it. I'm frankly more concerned about sugars than fats. Kids drink an unbelievable amount of soda these days, and maybe education could convince them to drink water some of the time--that's free!
I do think there is a systemic problem wrt to obesity that is difficult to address with education alone. if WIC only covers american cheese, that means it doesn't cover low-fat cheese. if you only have $2 to spend on lunch, you can get two double cheeseburgers at mcdonalds. I don't think you can get a filling, healthy salad for $2 anywhere. etc. I don't know what the solution to that is.
oh, I totally agree with you. I was so angry about those absurd plans to change school vending machines from selling soda to snapple. I mean, wtf? it's still crap! they should sell water and fizzy lizzy fruit spritzers or the rw knudsen spritzer cans. everything else just has too much sugar - tons of fake calories. it's awful.
and I also agree that low fat generally equals more sugar and less healthy - but that's not what health care professionals are trained to say, so that's the type of education that is provided. -
alafairnadia wrote: oh, I totally agree with you. I was so angry about those absurd plans to change school vending machines from selling soda to snapple. I mean, wtf? it's still crap! they should sell water and fizzy lizzy fruit spritzers or the rw knudsen spritzer cans. everything else just has too much sugar - tons of fake calories. it's awful.
Grandma Moses weighing in again. Why even have the vending machines in school? Back in my day (during the paleolithic era) we had something called a drinking fountain. That seemed to serve everyone just fine (yes there was always a wad or two of chewed gum in it but well, you just closed your eyes and sipped). Bottled water is a scam and the plastic bottles are really bad for the environment. But the soda corporations and water corporations bribe the school with some donations in order to get their machines located on the campuses. If more of our tax dollars would go towards important things like educating children (instead of blowing them up in senseless wars), I think our country would be uhm, much better off and the schools wouldn't need to be sucking up to big corporate money.
And furthermore (uh oh, I sense a rant coming on...) another thing that has changed since I was a kid is that NOW kids are marketed to directly. Billions of dollars is spent on research to find products that appeal to kids--these products are of course, high in sugar and are not goign to be bran flakes. The marketing is much more insidious then it used to be. -
My kids were told not to drink the water from the water fountains at their elementary school because there was lead in the pipes.
Back in my day, we had an official smoking area -- for students! -- behind the high school. It seems shocking now, but at least we didn't smoke in the bathrooms -- which, under today's great new "zero tolerance" policies, would probably get you a permanant expulsion if not a jail term.
We also had a soda vending machine near the gym, but I think we weren't allowed to buy soda until school was over. -
Rose wrote: My kids were told not to drink the water from the water fountains at their elementary school because there was lead in the pipes. .
That is absurd. That is a law suit waiting to happen. In that case, why not just put a couple water bubblers in the hall in front of the principals office? Or install a small filter inside the drinking fountain (they have those fancier brita type things that filter out lead that you can place on a pipe). I am really against bottled water--not sure what is worse--lead in an older kid, or global warming and PVCs in the environment? -
kensingtonmom wrote: [quote=Rose]My kids were told not to drink the water from the water fountains at their elementary school because there was lead in the pipes. .
That is absurd. That is a law suit waiting to happen. In that case, why not just put a couple water bubblers in the hall in front of the principals office? Or install a small filter inside the drinking fountain (they have those fancier brita type things that filter out lead that you can place on a pipe). I am really against bottled water--not sure what is worse--lead in an older kid, or global warming and PVCs in the environment?
i'd rather a machine filled with bottled water; drinking fountains look like they could be the fastest spreader of germs anywhere. all those mouths and drooling and ugh. no thanks. -
brooklynpotter wrote: i'd rather a machine filled with bottled water; drinking fountains look like they could be the fastest spreader of germs anywhere. all those mouths and drooling and ugh. no thanks.
Maybe, but scientists aren't really sure how colds are spread (I read that New Yorker piece last year) and it is rarely hand to mouth because saliva kills most common cold and virus germs. They assume it to be hand to eye, hand to nose, but even that statistically is not 100% clear. (I forgot how they conducted the studies but in the end, it was kind of like Huh? How DO you get a cold then?)
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In his book "Fast Food Nation," Eric Schlosser does a good job in detailing how America's public and private schools have sold out to consumer products companies for cold hard cash. Hell, some schools even sell their roof rights to Coke for advertising, and run contests to help soda manufacturers come up with "fun" ways to market their liquid candy.
I think Arkansas is the only state that has banned vending machines in elementary schools!
And, the Center for Science in the Public Interest put out a scathing report on junk dispensing a couple of years ago.
IMHO I think the schools should give out bottled water that has been donated by charitable corporations- how about Starbucks giving out Ethos Water for free? -
kensingtonmom wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]i'd rather a machine filled with bottled water; drinking fountains look like they could be the fastest spreader of germs anywhere. all those mouths and drooling and ugh. no thanks.
Maybe, but scientists aren't really sure how colds are spread (I read that New Yorker piece last year) and it is rarely hand to mouth because saliva kills most common cold and virus germs. They assume it to be hand to eye, hand to nose, but even that statistically is not 100% clear. (I forgot how they conducted the studies but in the end, it was kind of like Huh? How DO you get a cold then?)
And kids do get sick--it is what it is.
mono is spread mouth to mouth, and i'm sure other diseases are as well. sorry, no drinking fountains for me. -
[quote="Livetotravel"]African-American women are more likely to have twins than any other race. Asian and Native Americans have the lowest twinning rates. Caucasian women, especially those over age 35, have the highest rate of higher-order multiple births (triplets or more).
Interesting. Can you please provide your information sources? -
sure - here's one of many - http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/PublicPediatrics.woa/14/wa/viewContent?contentID=2472
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Livetotravel wrote: sure - here's one of many - http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/PublicPediatrics.woa/14/wa/viewContent?contentID=2472
that study, while informative, doesn't really give the WHOLE story, just stats. then, further down, it explains why. ergo, caucasian women over 35 have xxx chance of multiples BECAUSE of numerous reasons including artifical reproductive therapy.
it's a tad misleading. -
don't shot the messenger :shock:
You may find this a little less misleading . . .
http://health.allrefer.com/news/index.php?ID=8815 -
Livetotravel wrote: don't shot the messenger :shock:
not shooting the messenger, just the message.
You may find this a little less misleading . . .
http://health.allrefer.com/news/index.php?ID=8815
it's like saying 9 million caucasion children died from eating lollipops last year. then, two paragraphs down: they were all eaten at the county fair.) -
brooklynpotter wrote: i've only ever wanted to find someone to share my life with. i have to believe he's out there. (please don't say, "of course he is!" because in reality it just makes us single women get our hopes up, that perhaps you know something that we don't.)
Dear God, I feel like printing this up on leaflets and issuing it to every household in the country.
In my case, the people who told me "there's someone out there for you" most often are men who are actively in the midst of breaking up with me. It's...made it a somewhat hollow statement for me. -
brooklynpotter wrote: [quote=Anonymous]If you need to lose weight, it’s best to skip the orange juice and eat whole oranges that have less calories and more fiber.
ergo, a treat. like a piece of cheese, or peanut butter.
these things are not supposed to be treats. these are the things we ate as healthy snacks when we were kids.
Aren't "treats" for dogs that owners want to sit up and roll over? I'm staying away from my childhood Wonder Bread "treats" of Peter Pan and Jif -- peanut butter brands that contain partially hydrogenated oils. As a kid, I was given "treats" of Mc Donalds french fries and Entenmann’s "delicious goodness" glazed donut "delights." Just because I associate those foods with the warm, fuzzy comfort of home, does not mean they don't contribute to high cholesterol levels. Why can't a childhood "treat" be a memory creator, like a parent taking a kid to a ball game or concert? Sorry I'm cranky and pounced out of no where with all that. I'm just frustrated with parents overfeeding their kids "treats" and the concept of food as reward for good behavior. -
Parkslopedope wrote: Sorry I'm cranky and pounced out of no where with all that. I'm just frustrated with parents overfeeding their kids "treats" and the concept of food as reward for good behavior.
don't be so grumpy. i'm sorry your mom fed you junk food and we got so-called "healthy" food. i'd rather have had junk food. i always wanted to go to friend's houses because they had chips and soda. -
Parkslopedope wrote: Why can't a childhood "treat" be a memory creator, like a parent taking a kid to a ball game or concert? Sorry I'm cranky and pounced out of no where with all that. I'm just frustrated with parents overfeeding their kids "treats" and the concept of food as reward for good behavior.
I just don't think parents are necessarily over-feeding their kids. I think that many kids are passive and kids are meant to run (think puppies). But television, computers, video games, cell phones are all very addictive and very passive. But parents think the boogie man is hiding around every corner now so kids play closely supervised and parents don't always have the energy to run to the park or watch kids play so they plop in a video happy to have some peace and quiet. When my mother wanted peace and quiet she opened the door and said "get lost for an hour". And there have always been junkie treats. I remember stuffing my face full of Ho Ho's before my sister knew they were in the cupboard but then I also ran out the door and played kickball or biked.
i am not saying kids aren't eating junk and drinking too much soda but I think it is combined with sitting on their butts for hours on end clicking away at a mouse or a joystick or whatever. -
I've also conducted my own completely biased, unscientific and unobjective study and determined that there are also a complex set of social issues that influence childhood obesity today
1) Children that are raised by grandparents tend to be more sedentary than those raised by parents
2) Kids who are given money to feed themselves often opt for easy and most pleasing
3) Many parents feed their kids crap from the time they are born (soda in baby bottles for toddlers and McDonalds as a staple as soon as the kids can eat solid food)
4) Children with extremly young parents often are being raised by people who do not know how to cook - anything
5) Physical exercise has become a luxury and is being reduced in schools while kids are eating more sugar and calories and need to burn more not less calories
6) Playing that involves physical activity has become as outdated as rotary phones
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i'd like to ad that for some ridiculous reason, kids don't walk to school anymore. even in the city they're being picked up in cars.
i hate to sound like my grandfather, but back in the day we had to walk to and from school, a whole mile, no matter the weather. no excuses. -
brooklynpotter wrote: i'd like to ad that for some ridiculous reason, kids don't walk to school anymore. even in the city they're being picked up in cars.
Same here. And they'd make us hang out on the playground until they were damned good and ready to let us in - unless it was below zero, then we could use the gym if we wanted to.
i hate to sound like my grandfather, but back in the day we had to walk to and from school, a whole mile, no matter the weather. no excuses.
As for the grandparents/treats thing, I can back that up. I used to stay with my granparents most weekends and that was the time of TV watching and candy gorging. I had this charming system of biting both ends off a strawberry Twizzler and drinking Dr. Pepper with it. Trust me when I tell you if my mother saw me doing that she would have been tempted to break the bottle over my head.
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