Prospective Park Place Pawnshop! - Near Franklin Avenue.
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Splooie wrote: » So you've shown that you can not have a reasonable debate about this issue.
whyfi wrote: THIS issue?
Hey, give Splooie a break. S/he might be new around these parts.
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i don't buy the premise that a significant amount of democrats "cry racism" (when it isn't there) when obama is criticized by the tea party or any other faction.
and there is an element of racism in the tea party movement.
but yes, moving along...
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splooie, come on man race,dems,reps,teabagz? This is a jewelry store. Is there a huge demand for jewelry in Crown Hieghts..I don't know but my guess is no. Have the gods gone crazy and people acting poor are really sitting on mattresses full of cash and are going to run out and get diamond tennis braclets..or am I totally off and area residents have hoarded diamonds and gold because they have nowhere to sell it? Have the criminals expedited their enterprise to get stolen goods over to a hideously painted side business of a laundromat? Did the sky fall when the place opened? No.Review the video of the protest..are people mad..yes..was Leticia James grandstanding..yes..where the protesters a good sampling of area residence..no. This place and all the bullshit surrounding it will be history before history's next reprint. Palmreaders as a laundering front to drug dealers and organized crime..everywhere else but Crown Hieghts..no need to be concerned with a child recreational business falling to one that sells sushi and beer when we can argue race and gold. Blood Diamonds part deux DiCaprio conquers the hood..you write it I will get it funded..Leo loves Brooklyn
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Capitalism will take its course.
....if the business fails, those opposed to it will claim victory, regardless of if they had anything to do with it.
....if the business succeeds, some may state it is to blame for every crime that occurs on Franklin in 2011, because they will wear rose colored glasses and remember Franklin as so peaceful before it opened...
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I'm sure there are racists within the tea party, as I'm sure there are racists within the democratic party. I would not be so bold as to say that there is no racism in politics. That would be an absurd statement. But moving on... I don't disagree with attempting to better your community or trying to rid your neighborhood of crime. I just don't think that anything is being accomplished by vilifying a legal business. Clearly, the store owner has been taunting the CHCA(choosing the name Crow Hill Jewelry). But he is within his right to do so and everything that has been done in response to that has only played into his hand. He has gotten a ton of publicity because of this. I also think that because people are upset about the store and the owner's response to protests, they are reading more into the mural than is really there. Here are some JC Leyendecker babies... http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJJCGxS33kCfH2NZl7aGv6s7obaH0iZIcgp6wxKFCY0HJd4dUC
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjqRhVpopXBHm8rwTbkgXzUvJo8F3zumV-wa6pjxiwBW6GJLoq
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4o9fhX8Pdp9ifIUrnFKJS3z5dJUFjVEjBSSygFLll8zXjfcEj
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwTQpDrCqqZMC1jOcXuGmjhAbQVa5nB0y01yOTkQgnfRyqiphv6w
and the one that his mural is based on... http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8TMEb-Bjjg3aCKSUvn1lsSkOEmDUAQi3o5NoBO_EQHpzYUIbO -
I like this one the best:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjqRhVpopXBHm8rwTbkgXzUvJo8F3zumV-wa6pjxiwBW6GJLoq -
I'm not sure what your point is catwalker. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? And, if you don't like the mural, thats fine. But thats not grounds to have it removed. If we removed every piece of art that someone said they didn't like, we'd have no art. We live in a free society where you are bound to eventually see something you don't like. If enough people dislike it enough to boycott the store, the business will fail and eventually, the mural will be removed. In the meantime, it looks like you have to deal with seeing something you don't like.
Hey, whynot...
If you like that, it seems the artist has shirts with that on it...
http://www.facebook.com/#!/JamieHef
I'm not sure if he made the shirts or is selling them or what... but it looks cool. Butcher baby!!! -
I'm sure there are racists within the tea party, as I'm sure there are racists within the democratic party.
not a valid comparison. sorry.
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mr. met, please elaborate on that.
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please debate the existance of Tea Party racism on this long standing thread: http://www.brooklynian.com/forum/brooklyn-politics/the-tea-party-isnt-home-to-a-large-amount-of-racism
this thread on the new jewerly store is presently too lovely to ruin.
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Fair enough, whynot. Point is, racism exists in all walks of life. No group or political party is above it. I don't believe that it is something that is exclusive to certain groups. As MHA has clearly proven. I don't think that the mural or the jewelry store show any racist actions. But, I don't know the store-owner or the artist, so I can't say 100% either way.
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splooie wrote: I'm not sure what your point is catwalker. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? And, if you don't like the mural, thats fine. But thats not grounds to have it removed. If we removed every piece of art that someone said they didn't like, we'd have no art. We live in a free society where you are bound to eventually see something you don't like. If enough people dislike it enough to boycott the store, the business will fail and eventually, the mural will be removed. In the meantime, it looks like you have to deal with seeing something you don't like.
Hey, whynot...
If you like that, it seems the artist has shirts with that on it...
http://www.facebook.com/#!/JamieHef
I'm not sure if he made the shirts or is selling them or what... but it looks cool. Butcher baby!!!I don't think the Jewelry store will fail or succeed based on the mural. ...its success will be based on attracting a loyal base of bling selling and bling seeking customers.
Although I like the thanksgiving baby the best, even if it were on a t-shirt, I think I would pass.
I seem to either have too little appreciation of art to even buy a t-shirt, or perhaps I am simply too frugal.
But speaking of subjective preferences, I used to love looking at the We Buy Gold stores on Fordham Road in the 90s!
Damn, Mr. T was in the house!
That road used to be full of the cheapest gold plate (not even 10k...) jewelry imaginable.You wanna talk about ugly? I wonder if the beauty police will become even more upset if the place carries exclusively massive necklaces and ear rings.
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Wow ... who ever would have thunk that Crown Heights would ever see this:
locals initiating a "soft" confrontation with the gun-wielding drug dealer behind their bodega counter with the advice that he stock some organic yogurt.
(Perhaps one of our local filmmakers can use this scene as material for a short? It'd be great as an entry into the show about gentrification.)
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Ms. Krow, as you are likely aware, Tony Fisher is in the process of gearing up to meet the local demand for organic yogurt, so I think it would be unfair to the bodegas to advise them to go head-to-head with his business.
I also hope that folks would not leap to the conclusion that either bodega was staffed by "gun-wielding drug dealers" before doing their homework on the subject.
myself on prior page wrote: One would not do it based on my advice alone.
...and we would work closely with folks from the 77th, who may be able to tell us whether they suspected the owners of being merely "tolerant" of drug activity, or actually involved in drug activity. If they are involved, they are unlikely to be swayed by our potential business, and we should instead focus on getting the police to do buy and busts.
We need more information, and more input. One would not do it based on my and KWAC's ideas alone. ...there are professionals who help little community groups with this sort of stuff.
For example, the Hasid community is well aware of their rights when it comes to crime prevention. They work closely with the police.
And such effort would involve lots of community members. I'd reach out to the folks from SOS/CCI, and see if they had advice as well.
....as MHA pointed out, I don't live on Franklin. Local folks will need to be the primary force behind this effort. Local businesses would need to be involved as well.
Community organizing is slow, hard work. Franklin isn't going to change in a few months as a result of 7 people.
...but, combined with all of the new money moving in, Franklin may make noticeable changes as a result of 70 people over the course of a year. The older folks in CHCA could also give us some needed local perspective.
But yes, if folks were interested, and local organizations supported the idea, a thought out, concerted effort to have both bodega's maximize their location and stock would make a great entry into the upcoming film.
And, yes, as a result of knowing so many of the local business owners and being able to motivate new and long term residents, I would definitely involve the film makers in any process.
....they have also done a great job documenting the community's efforts against the Pawn Shop -become- Jewelry and Electronics store, and the various street beautification events. Their hard work is helping Crown Heights Experience a Renaissance.
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locals initiating a "soft" confrontation with the gun-wielding drug dealer behind their bodega counter with the advice that he stock some organic yogurt.
(Perhaps one of our local filmmakers can use this scene as material for a short? It'd be great as an entry into the show about gentrification.)
bitter much?
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This artist knows how to publicize his work.
....This is turning out even better for him than the fame that would come from tagging a high profile location.
Why take such a risk, when you can slowly and skillfully paint a completely legal location and then get famous from the ensuing controversy, press and About Time T-Shirts.
I wonder how many requests to paint similar murals he has now received?
This gig will certainly be featured prominently in his portfolio.
He will be able to have future employers call the owners of the jewelry shop for a testimonial on how his painting and PR was able to bring lots of favorable attention to the store.
....and by educating folks on the history of the "baby", he has made the critics of his work look like a reactionary idiot.
touche'
....I am so hiring him for my next guerrilla marketing campaign. As much as I like CHCA, the artist and the owner are making a laughing stock of their campaign.
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The artist is most certainly talented.., but naive.., I dare say NOT.
The mural is controversial and a slap in the face to any working class - poor person in the community who has struggled to rise above the stereotypes of living in the "ghetto" as they try to eek out a decent and respectful way of just merely surviving.
The "bling" and wads of cash in the mural is a reality - abet a tacky reality - that most in community will never see by "any means".
And it re-enforces stereo-types of "ghetto dwellers" tacky taste if they ever did acquire any sort of wealth or material gains.
So stop feigning naiveness Mr. Artist. The only thing you left out was the Watermelons and Fried chicken.
You may be talented.., but you are also a Tasteless Opportunist - so man up and claim your crown.
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The mural is controversial and a slap in the face to any working class - poor person in the community who has struggled to rise above the stereotypes of living in the "ghetto" as they try to eek out a decent and respectful way of just merely surviving.
have a drink. maybe have two.
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Mr. Met, don't drink and don' need to.
The Electronics shop will not have the foot traffic/business it needs to survive.., that and the mural will be gone in the due course of time - personally give it less than 6 months.
But let's stop PCing around the issues at hand. Most who have time to comment here did not grow up leaving hand to mouth. I for one will admit I had a very comfortable "Cosby Kid" upbringing in the burbs of Pa'.
But with enough maturity, reading, sensitivity and living in the "hood" for more than 6 months - it's quite plain that mural is a slap in the face to the "core community" of hard working people who have lived in and sustained the community when most on this board - including myself - would have been afraid to ride the train past Grand Army Plaza.
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SnowboardQueen,
Like you, I also hope that merchant has overestimated how many of the neighborhood residents define themselves (and allow others to define them) by whether they are able to surround themselves in cash, or possess the latest fashion in jewerly and electronics.
I, too, can see how the mural and the store glorifies the some of the very values that keep people trapped in cycles of poverty. And, I certainly understand how this could be interpreted as a slap in the face to those trying to raise their children with different values.
....despite this, I continue to recommend a different set of tactics than those proposed by CHCA.
I also remain confident that vast majority of those who object (or simply decline to participate) in CHCA's present campaign, continue to share its long standing vision of moving the entire community forward.
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I wouldn't mind it in my community. I think it looks cool.
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I think the question becomes one of "what should be the role of government and community groups in regulating such things?"
It should be no surprise that I tend to side with allowing a great deal of choice, and then letting the consumer choose how they live their lives.
Much of this comes from a feeling of resignation that such influences are all around us, and that our obligation and ability to protect people from themselves is (at some point) limited.
While I wish that the customers of this business would live their lives differently, I am very hesitant to impose my wishes on others and tell them how they should live their lives.
....I enjoy living in a place that lets people make choices. I enjoy New York City, complete with its temptations and opportunities.
Despite my sympathy for those trying to raise their kids to hold different values, I prefer the mural over a blank wall and feel its impact on the community isn't worth the effort being paid to it.
....if CHCA wants to compete, perhaps it could put up a competing mural.
I would comission one depicting an 18 year old, proudly graduating from high school and leaving his drug dealing, gold and electronic latent peers behind.
Despite being well crafted, I predict my fantasy mural would influence very few kids to take a different path.
Despite being well crafted, I predict the present mural will have as negligable an effect on those considering a "life of bling".
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it's quite plain that mural is a slap in the face to the "core community" of hard working people who have lived in and sustained the community
i'm sorry, but i just don't see it.
The only thing you left out was the Watermelons and Fried chicken.
the baby is white, as far as i can tell. how do the watermelon and fried chicken stereotypes apply? you are reading into more than is there.
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Whynot, you seem like a very logical and intelligent person. I like your take on the whole thing. I respect that you disagree with the store, but still acknowledge the rights of the storeowner and of the artist. Its refreshing to see reasonable posts.
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i wonder if Nostrand Park actually asked if you could pawn there rather than proofreading the sign and assuming the worst. the store obviously made an effort to cover some part of the sign.
big YAWN.
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crow hill jewelry will pay you top dallor for you unwanted broken un used gold and electronics
stop in and get a price711 franklin ave
brooklyn ny 11238
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crow hill jewelry would like to thank everyone that suppored us and helped make crow hill jewelry thank you and all the people who come out and showed support thank you
and thir no need to boycot the store dont listen to stacy from chca people need to pay bills and live people have to support familys what chca is saying and doing by boycot all the stores is wrong dont be affraid of stacy and her team stand up for you rights
stop in and say hello we are not bad people only trying to support our family
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Supporting your family by putting my family at greater risk. I will stand up for my rights by continuing to boycott your establishment.
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