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anyone have negative dealings with Bkln animal foster networ

anonymous
edited November -1 in Brooklyn Pets
I have been so happy to find an organization that is willing to take in some of the stray cats that were recently dumped off on my block and find foster care for them. I haven't really known how to safely place stray cats and can't take any more cats myself. Since this place has taken in two cats I decided to try to raise some money for them. I posted on PSP Parents and I got a few emails with troubling stories. I know that board can be pretty nutty but the one that sticks in my mind is that they place very sick animals without telling the new owners how sick the animals are. The new owners suddenly are stuck with huge vet bills. Has anyone had negative dealings with this group? I just want those cats to be off the street but don't want to foist a sick cat on someone not ready to handle that (that happened to me once where I brougth in a cat carrying something that nearly killed my beloved cat and in addition cost me a fortune in vet bills).
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  • Who runs that organization? I think I might know the person, but I don't want to say more without knowing for sure that it's the person I'm thinking of.

    In my experience, people trying to find homes for animals will definitely minimize any problems. I adopted two dogs from people involved in a similar kind of rescue/foster operation, and both times there were fairly significant problems that I was not told about. One dog was basically untrained and had pretty significant behavioral problems, and the other had health problems that cost lots of $$ to resolve -- and, he was not fully housebroken. I love my dogs, I've had them a long time now, and all these problems have been resolved, but I think there should have been full disclosure about what exactly I was getting. I'm sure the rescuers do this because they hope that the adopter will fall in love with the animal and do whatever it takes to keep it.
  • Myself and my girlfriend have fostered dogs from them before, and one of them was very sick. BAFN paid for the vet bill, which I would guess, was in the thousands.

    To my knowledge, this is not an organization that has tens of thousands of dollars in the Bank, and even one vet stay could put this place under.

    I think they are trying to do the best they can on a limited budget.

    As for the quality of dog you are getting, well, some of the dogs we have fostered were less than a year old, and had been bounced around from shelter to shelter, house to apt, etc. No one had taken a minute of time to train them or even show them any love. BAFN took them from a kill shelter, and saved their lives. If I want a perfectly trained pup, I'd probably have to go out and pay a grand or so for it.

    We did it to help out some animals that were down on their luck, for no reason of their own.
  • I'm all for animal rescue, and all for people adopting rescued animals. It is certainly understandable that animals that have been abandoned, abused, and/or have lived on the streets would have some significant problems. As I said, I love my dogs and I certainly don't regret having taken them in. However, I do think it's irresponsible to give an animal to a new owner without disclosing any health or behavioral issues that may be present. If the new owner can't afford vet bills for a serious medical problem or can't deal with the behavioral issues due to lack of time, experience with animals, money to hire a trainer, etc., it's not a good placement for the animal and there is certainly a risk that the animal will end up back at the CACC.

    And I was not saying that I expected my rescued dogs to come to me "perfectly trained." But I was not expecting and was really not prepared to deal with the fairly serious behavioral issues that were present with one of the dogs. The other dog was sweet and wonderful from the beginning but again, it would have been good to know that he was not fully housebroken (as advertised). It would have been good to know that he had health problems that were going to end up costing me lots of money. Disclosure is good, that's all I'm saying.
  • I think these people seem very ethical and I think they are thinking of the animals first. But I just worry about rescuing these cats, (one who looked pretty sick) and having them dumped on someone unsuspecting. I have a friend who happily has taken in sick cats--but she knew they were sick when she adopted them. Having had sick cats, I know how high the vet bills can suddenly run and this is not in everyone's budget. I agree, full disclosure. Maybe I should talk to the director about my concerns. I am happy to try to raise more $$ for them but not so happy to do it if they are not informing people of the animal's illnesses.
  • Rose wrote: Who runs that organization? I think I might know the person, but I don't want to say more without knowing for sure that it's the person I'm thinking of.
    Laurie Bleier (sp?) runs it, I think. I've spoken to her on the phone--very nice. She was also very quick to forward my contact info on to people who were looking to place dogs in temporary foster homes. Seems like they are doing a good job. I know that they do frequent weekend adoption events where they pull a lot of dogs from the Brooklyn CACC.

    True, this means that they don't have as much time to evaluate the animals behaviorally, but I think its important to just get as many off the euthanazia track as possible. My little Foxy was slated to be put down (God forbid!) at the Manhattan shelter before a rescue group pulled him.

    And if things don't work out, they don't usually end up in back at the shelter because most rescue groups make you sign an adoption contract stating that if it doesn't work out, you MUST return the animal back to the rescue group, not the shelter or to another person.
  • Yeah, I know her. I had a whole post written out but now I've thought better of it. I'll just say that my experiences with her have been less than positive. But I do think her heart is in the right place when it comes to animals.
  • Rose wrote: Yeah, I know her. I had a whole post written out but now I've thought better of it. I'll just say that my experiences with her have been less than positive. But I do think her heart is in the right place when it comes to animals.
    I think she works better with animals than people. I guess we need these more zealous advocates to get things done even though most zealots rub the rest of us the wrong way.
  • kensingtonmom wrote:
    I think she works better with animals than people. I guess we need these more zealous advocates to get things done even though most zealots rub the rest of us the wrong way.
    I agree 100% with both of these statements!

    :)
  • I stopped by one of their fostering events - the pressure to adopt was pretty strong at the end of the day, even though I made clear I was just there to give them a little $$ and scout pups for a friend. I thought the guilt-tripping was very foolhardy, and likely to get pets placed where they really shouldn't be. "If you don't take him, he could be killed!"
    I appreciate the passion, but I'm not down with the hard sell.

    The above was from the adults. The band of kids they had working with them were fantastic -- 10 year olds saying things like "she's not food aggressive". They were very upfront with the behavioural issues of each dog, from what I saw . . .
  • I have found a feral cat alive, but severely injured. Her eyes were torn out during a fight with another cat. I called several phone numbers of rescue cat agencies on the Internet, but over five hours passed and no one ever showed up. A few vets called me back and explained that they couldn’t take her – and I feel that they were sincere. I also imagine the people who save cats are volunteers or severely underpaid with limited resources, so I’m not blaming them for not showing up – they were probably saving another cat. I ended up calling the City who put the crying, bleeding, eyeless cat to sleep. Anything I could have done differently?
  • Anonymous wrote: I ended up calling the City who put the crying, bleeding, eyeless cat to sleep. Anything I could have done differently?
    No, you did the right thing, by making sure that the cat didn't suffer indefinitely. I don't think there is anything you could have done differently.
  • Sigh. I know better than this, but I can't resist. Laurie's a piece of work. Years ago she bought a used laptop from me, and about a month later she called me up to complain and before I could get two words out she threw a fit, hung up, and posted some nasty stuff about Quick Byte on her web site.

    Several days later she practically attacked me in Prospect Park, verbally assaulting me, and throwing a bag at me. Eventually, I got the laptop from her and it was just fine, but she never took it back. She did continue to shoot her mouth off every once in a while.

    In 8 years of business, she is the single worst customer I have ever had. I considered having a lawyer threaten her with action, but in the end I just avoided her where possible. I'm not much for that kind of confrontation.

    All of that said, she does seem to spend a lot of time helping animals out, and that should count for something.

    Thanks for letting me vent, and Laurie if you're reading this, I forgive you. 8)
  • Steve, you're not the only one with a story like that. She definitely has issues.
  • Thanks Rose, I appreciate it. Sorry to hear you had to deal with her too.
  • Yikes! Well, I'm glad I didn't get past the initial conversation stage with her!
  • caaahyoko wrote: Yikes! Well, I'm glad I didn't get past the initial conversation stage with her!
    As I said, I think she is an animal person--which is what you want when you need to find a place for a stray. I don't know her and definitely get the vibe that she is ALL ABOUT the animals. But we need people like her.
  • I adopted a dog from them and they told me the dog was healthy and house trained. In fact the dog was severely sick and also enjoyed crapping and pissing over every single inch of my apartment. To top that off, they demanded a $200 adoption fee!

    I sent the dog to live with my uncle in the country as he is a dog expert and able to train any dog. before I sent the dog to him, I had to fork out for serious vet bills!

    In the end I went out and got myself a little pure bred puppy, whose background I could check. I'm very happy wiht her!
  • She did agree to take another one of the stray cats off my hands. I raised money for the organization, caught the cat and then she said I had to bring it to the vet first and pay all the vet bills (this was on Sunday). I was a little peeved--I reminded her I made a large donation, and raised money for them but she said they couldn't take her. So I opened the crate door and let her back on the street. I cannot take another cat and these cats are taking more time than a second career.

    Anyone want a nice cat? One is too wild but the other is a sweetie.
  • Well Ms. Blier was the only person in the borough of Brooklyn to actually take my phone call a year back when my husband found three five week old kittens. We were at a loss as to what to do seeing as we already have three cats and a dog. She offered to find foster homes for us as long as they were healthy-she was very kind and very concerned. We still have the kittens and would never give them up. I just remember how nice she was to us and am happy there is someone like her out there.

    I think they do the best they can with the limited rescources they have.

    I do a little cat rescue (ferals) and it's heartbreaking work-I give these people much credit.
  • Maryjane wrote:
    I think they do the best they can with the limited rescources they have.

    I do a little cat rescue (ferals) and it's heartbreaking work-I give these people much credit.
    You are right. I just felt terrible opening that crate up and letting the cat go so I turned that into anger. On the other hand, I have two cats who haven't been to the vets since my twins were born and can't take on the vet bills of someone elses cast offs.
  • KM, you did a lot for those cats, more than most people would have done. You certainly showed more compassion for them than their "owner" who dumped them on the street. It's too bad Laurie wasn't honest with you from the beginning. After paying the vet bills, you may have found that there were still more hoops to jump through.
  • Rose wrote: KM, you did a lot for those cats, more than most people would have done. You certainly showed more compassion for them than their "owner" who dumped them on the street. It's too bad Laurie wasn't honest with you from the beginning. After paying the vet bills, you may have found that there were still more hoops to jump through.
    Thanks Rose--I feel pretty guilty as the one cat just poked his head in my door. I am going to try posting at my local vet and local neighborhood list serve. You are right though, I might have gotten stuck with that cat after I vetted her and I really cannot take on another cat right now.
  • topics like these break my heart... why can't people spay and neuter their pets? WHY WHY WHY?

    KM, have you been in contact with the trap, spay and return people? at least it would give the kitties some vet care, and they won't be reproducing
  • brooklynpotter wrote: topics like these break my heart... why can't people spay and neuter their pets? WHY WHY WHY?

    KM, have you been in contact with the trap, spay and return people? at least it would give the kitties some vet care, and they won't be reproducing
    I haven't but i thought that I have to trap and bring the cat to the vet and pay for the bills? I haven't brought my own cats to the vet in 2.5 years so I think they have to go first. The one cat is SOOO friendly I can't believe I won't find him a home.
  • kensingtonmom wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]topics like these break my heart... why can't people spay and neuter their pets? WHY WHY WHY?

    KM, have you been in contact with the trap, spay and return people? at least it would give the kitties some vet care, and they won't be reproducing
    I haven't but i thought that I have to trap and bring the cat to the vet and pay for the bills? I haven't brought my own cats to the vet in 2.5 years so I think they have to go first. The one cat is SOOO friendly I can't believe I won't find him a home.

    i don't think you have to pay; i've seen ads on craigs list. you might want to do a search over there.

    homeless kitties make me cry.
  • KM,

    You can get a low cost spay/neuter coupon from www.muffins.org
    that many local vets will accept for spaying. I think $51.00 for female and $40.00 for males....
  • The Muffins certificates are great but it ends up costing more because the vets generally add on charges -- always confirm with the vet's office what the actual cost will be so you don't get an unpleasant surprise.

    KM, have you tried Slope Street Cats?

    http://slopestreetcats.com/
  • True, Rose

    It's always a good idea to let the vet know in advance that the cats is stray and you are doing TNR and re-releasing the cat so they don't try to pad the bill.

    I am a huge supporter of TNR. It still amazes me that in this day and age there are people who do not s/n their pets. One cat gets out, gets pregnant and the vicious circle of animal suffering begins. It's terrible.
  • Maryjane wrote:
    It's always a good idea to let the vet know in advance that the cats is stray and you are doing TNR and re-releasing the cat so they don't try to pad the bill.

    That's true. Animal Kind gave me a discount for vet care for a stray. That was my one successful animal rescue -- I got the guy cleaned up and vetted and found him a nice home (by listing him with Muffins).

    I have three cats right now, which is at least two more cats than anyone really needs. I took in a pregnant momcat that someone on the PH board found -- with the idea that I would foster her and the kittens and then find homes for them. Well, she is still here, along wth two kittens. We fell in love with the kittens (duh) and the momcat is a fat, dandruffy, bad-tempered biter -- can't imagine who would want her so I think we are stuck with her. And I am done with good deeds for the cat world.
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