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Gunfire on Sterling Place Near Franklin --Sterling Pl. Blues - Page 3 — Brooklynian

Gunfire on Sterling Place Near Franklin --Sterling Pl. Blues

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  • I will, I never give up on animals

  • happy new year to you to mha, oh and I hope you find that white man that keeps causing all that black on black crime in your neighborhood

  • or whatever youre trawling for

  • I love bacon!

  • So you were talking about Black criminals, and alleging I am defending them....

  • no! after reading your post about how I went off topic, I read the first page of this whole discussion, something I didn't do before I left my first comment. and on the first page you mention black on black crime. yesterday I noticed one of your discussions and read only a little bit and noticed you kept referring to white folks, I looked at your profile and happened to notice this discussion and commented without reading the first page. all I did read was that some guys grandfather was murdered and i felt bad so I commented, had no idea you were talking specifically about black people until earlier today. anyway, i'm not a racist, i love everyone the same and that's that .besides, my brother is a criminal and he's white

  • "...i'm not a racist, i love everyone the same and that's that. besides, my brother is a criminal and he's white."

    Is it me or is the above a tad creepy?

    Other than your weird way of responding to what you perceive as an inaccurate criticism of you, why are you so defensive? No one here called you a racist, you called me a racist.

  • No one here called you a racist

    you were trying to with your "they" "them" question.

  • yea thats true mr. met.

  • 'Yea' as in "Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil..? Or Yea as in 'yeah'?

  • wht do you think? big deal I left the H off. so what? is dailyheights going to lock this discussion for that too?

  • "when I was reading your posts, I felt really uncomfortable with the way you used the words white folks, white man, white white white. I just don't see any reason to refer to other human beings by their skin color, it seems to separate us even more."

    I'd submit that referring to other people according to race is important if we are going to try to understand history and its consequences on our societies and our lives. After all, it wasn't MHA who first came up with the idea of "race". American slave owners, amongst others, used it brilliantly as a way to legally keep humans as property into the late 19th century.

    Race is a valuable construct to use when you start trying to understand why, as just one example, the percentage of young African American men in prison is seven times that of their white counterparts. And MHA is very interested in understanding that fact, as well as surmounting the forces that have made it true. Personally, I think that his mission is more important than any individual's discomfort with talking in racial categories.

  • Maybe we should leave the past in the past? would't that be a little more productive than harping on it?

  • by the way krowonhill, you're very pretty!

  • I'd submit that referring to other people according to race is important if we are going to try to understand history and its consequences on our societies and our lives. Race is a valuable construct to use when you start trying to understand why, as just one example, the percentage of young African American men in prison is seven times that of their white counterparts.

    This is preposterous.

    Race is a data point in the above question, but it's not the sole data point. When you start talking about "whitefolks", you demonstrate an unwillingness to think, not a desire to understand.

    And MHA is very interested in understanding that fact, as well as surmounting the forces that have made it true.

    No, he's not. Like any good ideologue, he has already come to his conclusions, and he clings to any evidence he can find to support them after the fact.

    "Surmounting the forces", indeed. He's tilting at windmills. And you're apparently his squire.

  • Don't cozy up to me just yet, jackie. I could take you to task for similar thinking flaws in your appeal to the "real victims in these neighborhoods", but it's not worth my while.

    MHA just bugs me because he should know better. On many other points, he's a reasonable and thoughtful guy.

    If you've been blocked already, you probably ought to take the hint.

  • Oy -- could we just refer to the thread topic??! We aren't even talking about anything here! Believe me, I am pretty sure I will be talkin' 'bout 'the whiteman', and 'whitefolks' soon enough, but, for the moment, why can't we enjoy that New Year smell that's still in our nostrils? Can't we still get a little contact high off of the 'peace on earth, good will to all men' vibe that's still in the air? This Jacqueline broad is just messing it up for everybody.

    Jeepers, believe me, I relish the attention, but we aren't talking about ANYTHING!

  • Maybe we weren't talking about anything, but now we are. MHA--"this Jacqueline BROAD"!!! What does her gender have anything to do with anything? How about sticking to criticizing her ideas (or lack of them) without making derogatory cracks about her gender? Besides, I thought the term "Broad" died with the Rat Pack? Or maybe you were doing a Frank Sinatra imitation.

  • And MHA is very interested in understanding that fact, as well as surmounting the forces that have made it true.

    MHA is interested in playing the race card whenever possible. he is interested in throwing around thinly veiled accusations of racism in the majority of discussions he participates in.

    and before you say it, MHA, this is not ad hominem.

  • Actually, Mr. Met, I appreciate hearing MHA's perspective. And while I don't always agree with him, he is clearly a thoughtful person who cares a lot about the neighborhood. Hopefully, he won't take offense at my defense.

  • I appreciate hearing MHA's perspective

    me too. it's entertaining.

    he is clearly a thoughtful person

    he thinks a lot and seems to say whatever pops into his head, that's for sure.

    who cares a lot about the neighborhood

    sure.

    Hopefully, he won't take offense

    his specialty.

  • krowonhill there are ways to honestly discuss race w/o being intellectually dishonest/hyperbolic/divisive like MHA. He thinks ppls reactions to his sometimes outlandish posts are because "they can't handle the truth".... but that's far from the case, it's simply because he continually presents his opinions as gospel, and when called or questioned balks & huffs with indignance and disbelief

    Granted its been a while, but that's what it was from my POV

    I agree though that its a new year, hopefully Brooklynian will be a little less combatative.

  • Yep Photogirl, you are right, that was my Rat Pack connotation.

    Yep, Mr. Met -- you are right, this discussion is definitely not ad hominem.

    But, frankly, I'm not going to do it people. Just don't have it in me right now. This Jacky-chick just barrels in here bemoaning my rhetorical style while carrying on with homilies about stray dogs and cats. There's no context, no anything. There's no there, there!

    My cracks about her gender are purposeful; the intent is humor -- though I obviously haven't conveyed it properly.

    I'm a little obsessive-compulsive about content and the title of the threads we banter about. When the aliens come and download from the super-servers that will have this stuff, they aren't going to understand why we are talking about this MHA guy under the thread name of violence on Sterling Street.

    They are going to see commentary about Black on Black violence, and then they are going to say, why would this Jacqueline-numbered person switch focus from a discussion on violence to a discussion about one of the contributors of the topic? Why would someone do that?

    No offense at your defense taken photogirl.

    CTK -- so here is the deal: What's accomplished here? You have said this before, and I have responded before...What next? What's new? NOTHING. Your opinion has not changed, and neither has mine. We've danced this dance before, and to repeat your stance -- you ad hominem is, well, ad hominem ad infinitum! HAW! :sign-offtopic:

  • I just referred to the beginning of the thread. I really think it's distracting to talk about MHA in the stead of the mhatter at hand, is all. The thread was initially about violence, and thematically about the relationship between Black on Black crime and gentrification. This is a weighty substantial conversation to have. If you don't think there is a connection -- and if I recall CTK does not -- that's cool. If you do -- as I do -- then that's cool too.

    CTK -there is nothing 'intellectually dishonest about that. I have not EVER said anything here dishonest, or untruth. You might debate the veracity (the perspective), but when you say 'intellectually dishonest', it reads like I'm the online equivalent of an Al Sharpton parody. That irks me. Plus the NEW Year JUST began man!!! RELAX!

    What Jacqueline is doing is not engaging in civil discourse. She isn't delving into conversation, and some of y'all are following her down her weirdly-bricked road. She claims claims she isn't a racist by saying essentially that her BROTHER is a white criminal(!!!) Do you really wanna get on her side of this issue?

    CTK -- Here's the thing: You hope for a cessation/reduction of conflict on the Brooklynian, yet YOU start the new year by casting aspersions, brotha! C'mon! Happy New Year mha brovah! Peace on earth dude!

  • Mod here. I gotta say that oddly, I agree with MHA. The topic here isn't about MHA and his views on race and gentrification. Its about a shooting on and around Sterling Pl. You guys want to discuss MHA and his particular socio-political philosophy do so in the lounge or politics boards. Thanks.

  • okay. the discussion on this thread should be confined only to the events of June 12. enjoy.

    She claims claims she isn't a racist by saying essentially that her BROTHER is a white criminal(!!!) Do you really wanna get on her side of this issue?

    she wouldn't be defending herself if she didn't feel that YOU WERE CALLING HER A RACIST. she said the words "they" and "them" and you jumped to the conclusion that she meant OMG ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS AND WE SHOULD LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER.

    i love how you throw in your little jabs and then bitch and moan when people want to respond.

    anyway, back to June 12...

  • this is all directly related to the events on Sterling place on June 12:

    Some bohemian-looking dude came into the Chinese spot and looked me dead in the face and asked me if what JUST happened was gang-related, and I asked him if I looked like a anthropologist, and how would he expect me to know that. I asked him calmly; I really wanted to know how did he expect me to know that. He changed the subject and asked if I knew if the killing that happened 3 weeks ago on Lincoln was gang related, I sighed and I said yes, it was. He asked what gangs, and I said the Bloods and the Crips. Two brothers started talking about it; one of them said to the other, we've been killing each other before we got here, and now we're killing each other before we are moved out of here too. I raised a quizzical eyebrow because I didn't know what he meant. What immediately came to mind was a line from Biggie's 'Ready to Die' album where he boasts that he has been 'robbin' ni66a's since the slave ship.' What the guy meant was that before the Middle Passage, Africans were engaged in tribal warfare, and the conquering of the continent by Europeans was easily facilitated by this African on African violence; lo, I imagine he would say, with the advent of gentrification, amidsts being priced out, the violence continues. I got his point. He, me, and the third brother all shaked our heads from side to side and bid each other a good night. Bohemian dude asked me if I thought it was going to get worse. Oh yeah, I said, it's gonna get worse.
  • a quote from MHA "I think that HUMAN BEINGS can use the law and RATIONAL THOUGHT to determine what is ETHICAL behavior and what is SOCIALLY PRODUCTIVE behavior". my point exactly mha!

  • I have to laugh when I read quotes from mha..."oh yea, I said. It's gonna get worse....." dun dun dun dun dunnnnnnn , he thinks he's in a spike lee movie or something

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