Is Food Co-op worth it?
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This should be fun.
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There are several different ways you can come at the question of whether the coop is "worth it".
I, for one, take a time value of money perspective. The value of my free time (in this case, the value of doing something other than a coop shift) is more valuable to me than the value the coop presents in terms of sense of community, locally sourced high quality food and attractive prices (there might be others) less the hassle factor. The hassle factor includes the things commonly mentioned by coop members as being drawbacks such as the high traffic during peak shopping times, keeping up with shifts, dealing with an unprofessional volunteer staff (again - there may be others). So, I, for now anyway, don't join.
Before some oversensitive coop member gets upset, all I'm saying is that its a personal decision based on your own utility curve. You might dismiss the negatives completely, but you still have to balance the value you place on free time against the benefits. If you place a high value on your personal time and place a high value on the quality food etc, the hassle factor will make the decision for you.
If you can quantify the variables I've mentioned, you can create a formula. Where T(v) = Time value, B = value you place on the benefits, and H = value you place on the hassles. If T(v) is greater than B-H, then you should not join.
Good luck with your decision.
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It's harder to join the coop these days, you have to sign up for an 'orientation' and signup is only once per week I think. You can only know if it's worth it by trying it out. You will likely find it fun to work there, but you have to give up those precious 2.75 hours a month.
I don't know where I would shop if I didn't have the coop. probably at Whole Foods or Union Market. I would spend a lot more, but probably better selection at Whole Foods and less hassle.
For example, Sunday I went to the coop, which is the worst day to shop. Lines were so long I only got 15 items so I could get in the express line. but I needed more than that.
On the other hand, Friday after work is a breeze.
In addition to good produce, they have a great selection of beer at very good prices. They have good bread and bagels, apples, bananas, very good dairy items, some good meat but only frozen fish. I like the bulk section for Oatmeal, coffee, beans, sugar etc.
If you know a coop member, let them take you shopping so you can see and have one of your prior grocery receipts handy to compare prices on the things you buy.
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those are the most well-conceived answers that i have seen on this message board. well done.
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As a member and a person who is not too tolerant of 'coop variety' bullshit, I'd say it is totally worth any potential hassle, longer lines, etc... Prices on most items are unbeatable, working shifts ain't a thing. Think of it as an extended shopping trip once a month, use your time to master the aisles, seek out food items you would have trouble finding, and pick a job that suits your taste.
Also, being a member is more than just working shifts. You have much more input in what goes on and off the shelves. You also have the resources on hand to let you know where all food has come from. Much like whole foods, but more comprehensive.
Will their be annoying situations, I think most people would say yes, then chuckle. But, damn if the food and drink ain't priced well!
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from what they tell you in the member orientation, everything that the coop sells is marked up at a flat 21% markup over the wholesale cost, to cover expenses. For comparison, they say that the markup at somewhere like Associated or CTown is 80-100%, and over 100% at somewhere like Whole Foods. In our experience, we estimate that we save about $30 per week or so on groceries.
Other things to note
- this also applies to beer, and the coop carries a good variety of beer.
- for things like spices, dried fruits, etc, the coop bags and sells these things in a variety of sizes. so if you need like a tablespoon of allspice or something random, you can buy a tiny little baggie of it instead of giant $8 canister that you'll never finish
- whole foods either sells organic or conventional produce. in a lot of situations the coop will sell a more reasonable alternative of 'minimally treated', which uses slight treatments of pesticides but means that they can sell a local apple instead of something that was shipped across the country with a big 'organic' marketing label on it -
I've been a member for more than 10 years now and I love it, so I think it's totally worth it. But I agree 100% with Jazmer - it has to be for you and suit your needs. Otherwise don't do it.
For me it works out well. I prefer to cook most of my meals and with the Coop I can eat well at a reasonable price. A good example for me is smoked salmon. I love it, but it's generally too pricey most places for me to buy on a regular basis. But at the coop, I can afford to eat it pretty regularly.
Also, I have the time to do a 2 1/2 hour shift once every four weeks - and I actually enjoy the work. I like the people, and the friendly atmosphere and the stereotypical hippie music piping through the speakers. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard Buffalo Springfield’s "For What It's Worth" while shopping
And although most of the staff are volunteers, there is a core of full-time professionals who work there and are very competent.
Yes, there are hardcore people there who sometimes don’t seem to understand that fascist behavior can swing from both the left and the right.
We have (or at least had) a request sheet where any member could request an item and the Coop would give it a trial run. Years ago I put down that I wanted Fancy Feast because that’s what my cats like. I later saw that someone had taken it upon themselves to cross out my suggestion and wrote that Fancy Feast was junk food for cats. I guess for some reason it didn’t bother this person that we also sold junk food for people at the Coop.
So my suggestion was never even heard. One person did that. I thought that was a pretty undemocratic thing to do. I could have pushed for it, but couldn't be bothered so I just get the Fancy Feast elsewhere and didn’t let one fascist bastard spoil my view of the Coop.
But with 15,000 members there are going be bastards. It’s just a matter of statistics. (By the way I drain the gravy from the FF before feeding my cats – and they are in great health).
There are also those who might think I’m scum because I generally don’t buy organic food if given an option. But it’s never affected me in any way whatsoever. In 10 years nobody’s ever hassled me, pressured me, or hypnotized me or anything. Well, maybe I wouldn’t know if they hypnotized me or not. I even had a shift once with a man who was a Republican and a George Bush supporter – though I think he just relished being in the lion’s den. Nothing happened to him. Don’t forget, these people are pacifists. They’re not going to beat you.
So it’s really not a cult or anything, and it’s not the Hotel California. If you don’t like it you can quit and you can leave and they’ll give you back your membership fee back.
Sorry for such a long post.
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Oops. Meant Jamzer
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I'm gonna add my voice to the yays. We've been members for about 2 years now - wow, 2 years - & I too can't imagine shopping anywhere else. If you like to cook, then it's totally worth it. The fresh produce, the bulk section, being able to buy small packets of fresh spices, being able to discover new kinds of foods and exotic flavors, all the different kinds of cheeses, it's just the best.
That being said. I hate shopping there
. It's a madhouse, people are always underfoot & finding shifts can be difficult. But, it's all part of the experience. -
The great thing about the PSFC is the high turnover. It really works out well with stuff like cheese,milk, fruit & veggies and grains and coffee, etc.. I won't say meat, because, except for the poultry, I'm not a fan of their suppliers of reds (except for the organ meats). As far as the shift and the shopping goes: it's painless if you can spare the time, and I'd rather spend the 15-20 minutes on the long weekend lines at the PFSC rather than the equivalent of any Key Food, or the like, respectively.
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Wow, Thanks for all the input guys. I'm blown away by all the solid responses. I'm prob going to skip on the co-op, at least at first. Because when it comes to my time or money being more valuable, ITS DEFIN GOING TO BE MY TIME. But i will defin post on here more when I get the chance, Thanks alot for your time and patience.
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A perk of going to the orientation is receving a shop-as-a-member card for one-time use. You don't have to use it on the same day as the orientation. Using that card, you not only get a sense of what the shopping experience is like, you can also buy a bomb shelter's worth of great food at great prices without having to pay any fees or do any work.
I love the coop but shop only at odd, non-rush hours -- and never when the several work shifts change, since that always lengthens the lines. Another trick is to buy only three or four nonweighable items at a time, since you can take those to the shortest of the three checkout stations for the quickest transaction. If they're high-ticket items like certified-organic meat or gourmet produce, you still save a bundle thanks to the low price markup.
It also helps to live within walking distance, as I do. A midnineties survey showed that something like 95 percent of members live that close to the coop, which makes it easy to go (or give up) shopping there on a whim.
My Web-column rants about the coop are ancient, from 1994 to 2002, but I think they still give a good idea of how funny and frustrating PSFC politics can be; I still get fan mail:
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in my opinion, it's not worth the time and the hassle. yeah, the sense of community among the plebs i worked-with was nice, and the selection of certain items and some prices are attractive. but woe be to you if you miss a shift. and be prepared to feel like you're entering east germany if you want to bring-in a friend to show them what the place is like. after a while i began to feel like i was working at guantanamo bay.
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prezst, East Germany is a great metaphor for the food-coop experience.
When I brought a Soviet Studies friend in for the first time, she laughed her head off at the overemployment of surplus labor and the excess of bureaucratic rules. It matched her experience in real-life communist shopping.
She joined, and enjoyed her membership for several years till moving away, but she probably could have thanked Brezhnev as well as me.
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East Germany is a great metaphor for the food-coop experience
Except the Food Coop actually has food on the shelves.
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East Germany is a great metaphor for the food-coop experience
Piano wrote: Except the Food Coop actually has food on the shelves.
CNN at the NYC Coops:
http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/01/04/co-ops-clip-costs-for-consciencious-food-shoppers/http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2011/01/03/roth.coops.cnn
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My wife has been a member for about 30 years, with a membership number under 500...so obviously she feels it's a worthwhile investment of her time. It's enlightening to go to a regular grocery store and have her show me the differences in price with the co-op.
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There are some shifts you can do outside of the actual Co-op itself. For about 18 months I lucked out and was able to do some work from home and rack up about 3 years' worth of FTOP (which is a flexible way of banking shift credit). These shifts are not easy to find, and you sort of have to put in your time on regular shifts for a while until you've managed to network your way into some kind of interesting project - but that's how the world works.
It's not just about the prices for me (although that is a big part of it and the main reason why I joined). It's also about the quality of the produce and the meat. While food elsewhere is constantly being recalled due to salmonella or e coli, at the Food Coop we know where our food is coming from; we know the farmers (sometimes they visit the Coop!). Only once in the last 10 years since I've been a member have I been affected by a food recall - a farmer declined to ship romaine lettuce to us for a week or so, just out of caution. In a world that's increasingly dominated by Big Ag, this level of trust in my food supply is critical.
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