Neighborhood Watch
new user munchkin posted this message on the Park Slope message board that we set up and never did anything with... I thought I would repost his/her message here:
"Can we organize a Neighborhood Watch? It seems to have been effective for other transitional neighborhoods in the past. Neighborhood Watch allows concerned residents to involve themselves in watching out for each other without having to depend solely on police. Any thoughts on this? "
"Also, I agree traffic is a big problem. I have been living in PH for 8 years, and I think it is worse than I've ever seen it. Pedestrians and bike riders are fair game around this area. I hate to think how much worse Flatbush and Vanderbilt would be if the arena gets built..."
"Can we organize a Neighborhood Watch? It seems to have been effective for other transitional neighborhoods in the past. Neighborhood Watch allows concerned residents to involve themselves in watching out for each other without having to depend solely on police. Any thoughts on this? "
"Also, I agree traffic is a big problem. I have been living in PH for 8 years, and I think it is worse than I've ever seen it. Pedestrians and bike riders are fair game around this area. I hate to think how much worse Flatbush and Vanderbilt would be if the arena gets built..."
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A neighborhood watch isn't a solution, but it is an initial approach to some of the issues.
I'm for it, but I don't know how it can be initiated and carried out.
Do a couple of people (Living within proximity of each other) walk a certain amount of blocks at a certain time during the day/ evening?
Do we peek out of our windows every 15 minutes, hopefully (Bite my tongue) to catch a glimpse of some mischief?
What if we take an image of the individual that doesn't pick up their dogs poop, or drives beyond the speed limit and plaster it all over the neighborhood. Some of us act like we're in a third world nation. Maybe we should use these tactics to embarass them, similar to public humiliation -
Sorry, once again I failed to identify myself.
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Subject: Security
I think the biggest problem for Prospect Heights residents is security, particularly car break-ins. One solution is to hire private security to patrol the streets bordering Washington Ave, Sterling Pl to Flatbush Ave to 6th Ave up Dean back to Washington Ave. Car owners who park on the streets should pay for this.
Whille we are at this maybe we should start a movement to privatetize our community so that only residents are allowed to park on our blocks, especially when the arena comes. Any thoughts? -
This website might be helpful to those who haven't heard of this program:
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/crime/neighborhood_watch/neighborhood_watch_toc.html
It was pretty popular in the 1980's when the Village and the Upper West Side were changing. It might be worth looking into as a proactive means of taking some action for each other's safety. I'm not saying that it will magically fix every problem we have, but it does give concerned people a means of taking responisbility for each other's safety. It has helped a lot for other neighborhoods. -
Subject: Private Security
I just wanted to say something about hiring a private security person. That was tried in this neighborhood before with not great results. It ended up being a divisive situation. Larger apartment buildings were paying a larger percentage of the cost and felt that they deserved an extra percentage of the securtiy person's time on patrol. Some buildings dropped out of paying, but still had security patrol. Anyway, this lead to inevitable bickering and frustration. Added to that, a few security personel would hang out in apartment lobbys for most of the shift. I think this security thing was in place for at least 6 years (someone correct me if I'm off on that). I do know it finally ended around 1999 or 2000. Sounds like a good idea, but I would urge caution. It ended up causing a lot of unfortunate (and unecessary) long term resentments. -
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Subject: Re: Private Security
Munchkin wrote: I just wanted to say something about hiring a private security person. That was tried in this neighborhood before with not great results. It ended up being a divisive situation. Larger apartment buildings were paying a larger percentage of the cost and felt that they deserved an extra percentage of the securtiy person's time on patrol. Some buildings dropped out of paying, but still had security patrol. Anyway, this lead to inevitable bickering and frustration. Added to that, a few security personel would hang out in apartment lobbys for most of the shift. I think this security thing was in place for at least 6 years (someone correct me if I'm off on that). I do know it finally ended around 1999 or 2000. Sounds like a good idea, but I would urge caution. It ended up causing a lot of unfortunate (and unecessary) long term resentments.
As someone who hasn't lived in this neighborhood very long, it's really interesting/helpful to hear about things that happened earlier. Thanks for posting about this. It seems like a volunteer neighborhood watch would go over better. But I wonder if people would feel like they don't have time to participate, and I have to say that although I like the idea, I'm not sure I'd particularly effective as a patrol person... -
I think neigborhood watches are a win-win situation. When I was growing up not to far from PH we had a block association. We used to schedule softball games against other block associations and we got to know a lot of our neighbors from other blocks and made good friends. After a while a lot of these organizations were intermingeling (sp?) and created a phone list of names, numbers and addresses. There were "safe houses" for us kids to knock on the door in case we got in trouble on the way home from school, etc. Within a year this turned into a neighborhood block watch. From Dean and Court over to Baltic and down to 3rd Avenue there were about 300 people involved in this block watch. We had posters that we put in our window stating something similar to "This block is under constant surveillance by Block Patrol". Because we were so strong in numbers when a street light went out we had over 300 people calling to complain and it was fixed instantly. Same with potholes, etc. Sometimes it was a bitch (like when I went around the corner to smoke [a cigarete that is] and by the time I got back 4 people called my mom to tell her). We had casino block parties, organized bingo games for charity, etc. Its all about getting involved with your neighbors.
I am in the process of starting a block association on my block and Community Board 8 was very helpful in helping me set it up. Im willing to include other blocks if anyone would like -
security guards? "privatize" parking so only residents can park? why not just build a wall and make PH a gated community? probably not practical, is it, since the wall would enclose some who don't agree that car break-ins are the number one problem in PH.
i'm 100% enthusiastic about a community association or group of block assns (my block, Park Place, has a good one). But let's not succumb to fear and start building barriers instead of opening doors. -
queen_of_pies wrote: security guards? "privatize" parking so only residents can park? why not just build a wall and make PH a gated community? probably not practical, is it, since the wall would enclose some who don't agree that car break-ins are the number one problem in PH.
queen_of_pies, I think people are only talking about trying to get resident parking tags when the arena is open, and I think this is a common solution, around the country, in neighborhoods where visitors flood the area. Ratner's plan includes waaaayyy too few parking spaces, IMHO, and I think it could make it impossible for residents to park in the neighborhood. Actually, I don't even own a car, and don't plan to acquire one, and I *still* think it's a good idea, because it will prevent people form using our neighborhood as a free parking lot, which I think would lead to a lot of litter and noise.
And as was mentioned above, a private security guard might not be a good idea, but a neighborhood watch would have a different, presumably friendlier, flavor. -
I went to college and grad school in a football town, and if sports fans here are anything like the sports fans there, there will definitely need to be resident parking permits if the stadium is built. AND these will need to be strictly enforced. In this town which I shall not name, football fans would park everywhere (including on people's lawns), but when the borough instituted resident parking permits and started enforcing the rules, the problem really diminished (Of course, in that town the cops had so little to do that they once shut down a major intersection to retrieve my keys from below a sewer grate. There are definitely some advantages to small town life).
There are also ways to shape traffic so that residential streets don't become clogged with sports fans - they used weird dividers so that all small streets turned away from the stadium, and you could only get there by means of specific larger roads. -
it's hard to get to where you want to be if you don't first know where you are... what do we (the neighborhood residents) have in place already? i ask because it took me a year until i found out about my block's association. now, i'm moving a couple blocks over, and i'm back to square one. can we start a list of block associations and/or other community groups that are in place but that we may not all know about?
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nybt wrote: it's hard to get to where you want to be if you don't first know where you are... what do we (the neighborhood residents) have in place already? i ask because it took me a year until i found out about my block's association. now, i'm moving a couple blocks over, and i'm back to square one. can we start a list of block associations and/or other community groups that are in place but that we may not all know about?
The closest thing I know of is this page, which does not have many specific details: http://www.phndc.org/orgs.php
I could set up a page in the "Prospect Heights Guide" where Block Association leaders could provide a description, contact info, news or anything else important. -
How was the first meeting?
Oops, just one of the many discussions that doesn't pan out.
This neighborhood is just too busy. Maybe we should sit under an olive tree and discuss this 'til our ears bleed.
PH is full of philosophy and nothing else -
Anonymous wrote: How was the first meeting?
and what, friend, are you full of?
Oops, just one of the many discussions that doesn't pan out.
This neighborhood is just too busy. Maybe we should sit under an olive tree and discuss this 'til our ears bleed.
PH is full of philosophy and nothing else -
The only thing I'm full of in PH is thinkers and not doers.
There's an old expression in my parents native tongue: Before one foot can move, the other has eroded.
This is what I think about you whiners who do nothing but fuckin complain and then stop short of doing anything about it.
Get you guys, either, in a bar or cafe and you can chew fat all day and night, but converting that into kinetic energy is impossible -
Anonymous wrote: you whiners who do nothing but fuckin complain
hmmm... there's an old expression in my parents native tongue- it starts with, "those in glass houses..." -
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Once again, I've been denied of my constitutional right.
I've accepted the idea that you guys have agendas with conservative christians on this board. You're all paranoid that we'll move in a ruin your non-disciplined pseudo-eccentric lifestyles.
Why doesn't andy post some rules about how we should conduct ourselves on this utopian board.
This board, only offers, freedom of speech to Ivy league-wannabies and denies it to those with bounded ideologies -
Strangely, I thought I'd never say this, but "Guest" is a little bit right. There should be some sort of posted rules. Especially since the one suggestion ("be nice and register") is somewhat ignored.
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Sorry, but no. No rules. Civilized people don't need rules to know how to behave in public.
Of course, we live in the post-Jerry Springer era, so it's becoming very socially acceptable in many American circles to hit and kick and spit and froth and swear at each other. But in this social circle, which is privately maintained, and provided for you free of charge, we don't play that way.
There are also no "rights." Nobody has a "constitutional right" to anything on Daily Heights. This message board isn't sponsored by the city government, and even if it was, they would NOT tolerate somebody yelling "f--- you a--hole" and "go f--- yourself" in every other post.
If you post here, we may edit or delete it for any reason at all. The moderators do not have to justify it, or explain why they did it. Feel free to complain about your post being deleted, and how arbitrary it is, and how the moderators are cowards that are trying to preserve their narrow groupthink. I'll delete your complaint, if I happen to feel like it.
When you walk into Soda Bar, is there a sign on the wall that says, "Please don't walk up to strangers, interrupt their conversations, and say f--- you"? No. Here's what happens: if you make enough of an ass of yourself, I guarantee you Toly will have a word with you. And if you continue to misbehave, then you will leave, willingly or unwillingly.
So on second thought, let's have a single rule:
BE NICE OR LEAVE
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