The Tea Party isn't home to a large amount of racism
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Actually, the NAACP compliments the Tea Party for getting rid of it's most offensive members and leaders.
Populist movements are hard to control -
Eggcream with ad hominem attacks and no criticism of substance.
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I'm at a loss as to which word best describes the following.
Bigoted?
Racist?
Hateful?
Ignorant beyond comprehension-oh-wait-its-the-tea-party-par-for-the-course.
According to the Tea Party, why should you vote again Keith Ellison in Minnesota?
Because "He is the only Muslim member of congress."
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the tea party thinks this person is unfit for office because they are muslim.
It's getting harder and harder for tea partiers to hide their bigotry. -
Confirmed. The Minnesota Tea Party wants you to vote based on bigotry.
Tea party's Judson Phillips defends essay attacking congressman for being Muslim
But this is just a coincidence. Like all the other coincidences. -
It's been a while, but this dying, racist movement still has a lot of good stuff.
This man won their straw poll in February:
He recently went on to say this:
Herman Cain, another likely GOP presidential contender, said over the weekend that he would not appoint a Muslim to his administration or the federal courts because he believes all Muslims "force their Sharia law onto the rest of us."
"There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government," Cain, founder and former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, told ThinkProgress. "It does not belong in our government."
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Tea Party leaders receive millions in US Farm Subsidies.
Which will end first:
The Tea Party?
Or the perception that they're somehow fiscal hawks.
Come on traditional media, you can do it, you can wake up!
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Come on traditional media, you can do it, you can wake up!
Oh, I think you're expected far too much of them.
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Sigh. I know. Hope springs eternal.
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You know Boygabriel, I haven't been on in quite some time, but you're still an idiot. You have no idea about the people in the Tea Partys and what they're about. Not a clue. All you see is what the media and the left wingers promote. Let me say that I've attended a number of rallies and it was with calm people, no hate signs, bringing their dogs with them to rallies and simply people who were sick and tired of having the government spend us into the poor house and trying to run our lives. Never did I hear antiIslamic rhetoric, and in fact, if someone even began shouting negativities about Obama, they got shut down, Get your facts straight before you spread ridiculous misinformation in your never ending rants.
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Did you wear a tinfoil hat?
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As a mod, I have to ask that you chill with the personal attacks. Play nice or don't play.
Get your facts straight before you spread ridiculous misinformation in your never ending rants.
dakota it's funny, b/c all I've done in this post is share FACTS.
Feel free to specifically refute any of the examples I posted here.
Otherwise I'm not sure what to tell you.
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YES!
Yet another debate on whether:
1. a group merely has idiot members, or
2. a group is largely composed of idiots, or
3. a group is largely composed of idiots, but it is unfair to generalize that all of its members are idiots!
How the hell does one have a populist movement in this country if we are expected to somehow make it idiot-free?
When one looks around, there are a lot of idiots in this country, and its hard to keep out of meetings and away from microphones.
-the democrats and republicans each have their share of idiots who set their agendas back
-the civil rights movement had/has its share of idiots who set the cause back
-ditto the feminists and pro-choice and prolife movements
and every other movement I can think of, but am too lazy to list.
I think if the majority of the people in the Tea Party are thoughtful fiscal hawks, the public will be able to eventually perceive them as such. I agree with dakotas way, there are a lot of very intelligent people who are checking out the Tea Party and seeing if provides an alternative to the Democrats and Republicans.
When those people are people you know, it is hard to dismiss the movement as a result of its idiot members. ....it suddenly becomes a movement.
THe trick is for the Tea Party Movement to get some hyper intelligent figureheads, who become who the media goes to for defacto Tea Party Opinions.
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It's isolated!!!
April 16, 2011 04:00 PM
Republican Tea Partiers just can't seem to get enough of those Obama/black people/chimpanzee jokes
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By David Neiwert
Credit: OCWeeklyBlog
This is the image e-mailed to her friends by Orange County Republican committeewoman and Tea Party activist Marilyn DavenportRepublicans seem to have a really, really narrow idea of what constitutes racism -- which is how they're able to claim that the Tea Parties aren't riddled with racism throughout.
But then little stories like this one from Orange County keep bubbling up to the surface of their fetid little Tea Party cesspool:The Weekly has obtained a copy of an email sent to fellow conservatives this week by Marilyn Davenport, a Southern California Tea Party activist and member of the central committee of the Orange County Republican Party.
Under the words, "Now you know why no birth certificate," there's an Obama family portrait showing them as apes.
As always, the "sweet little old lady" who sent the mail had no idea that anyone might possibly construe the mail as racist, even though comparing black people to various kinds of apes has always been a stock feature of racist denigration in America. Why, some of her best friends are black!
Reached by telephone and asked if she thought the email was appropriate, Davenport said, "Oh, come on! Everybody who knows me knows that I am not a racist. It was a joke. I have friends who are black. Besides, I only sent it to a few people--mostly people I didn't think would be upset by it."
The image did upset several local Republicans.
"It's unbelievable," one high-ranking OC GOP official told me. "It's much more racist than the watermelon email. I can't believe it was sent out. I'm not an Obama fan but how stupid do you have to be to do this?"
Another GOP official, who also asked not to be identified, said that Davenport is "a really, really sweet old lady so I am surprised to hear about this."
Scott Baugh, chairman of the OC Republican Party, told Davenport that the email was tasteless, Davenport--a Fullerton-based political activist--admitted to me during the telephone interview.
"You're not going to make a big deal about this are you?" she asked me. "It's just an Internet joke."
But Baugh believes the email is a big deal.
"When I saw that email today I thought it was despicable," Baugh said. "It is dripping with racism and it does not promote the type of message Orange County Republicans want to deliver to the public. I think she should consider stepping down as an elected official."
And just remember: There's nothing, NOTHING racist about those Tea Partiers, either. Just another isolated incident. Move along, please.
(H/t Tom Sullivan)
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Let’s just look at news items from the past four weeks:
– Marilyn Davenport, a Southern California Tea Party activist and member of the central committee of the Orange County Republican Party, sent an e-mail out to fellow conservatives that featured the words “Now you know why no birth certificate,” over a photo of a family of three apes, the infant one of which had Obama’s face superimposed.
– Michele Bachmann’s longtime and embarrassing association with seriously bonkers anti-gay (and anti-a-lotta-other-stuff) bigot Bradlee Dean finally hit the national media, thanks to Rachel Maddow’s show earlier this week.
– Even as recent polling shows nearly six in ten Minnesotans don’t want the state constitution amended to include a ban on same-sex marriage, state Republican legislators like Gretchen Hoffman are pushing ahead with their plan to put the constitutional enshrinement of marriage inequality on the ballot in November of 2012.
– The well-funded conservative issues group “Minnesota Majority”, currently known for a strange bit of performance art involving a truck plastered with graphics that seemingly imply that being made to pay their share of taxes will cause Minnesota’s rich to frequent soup kitchens, also is involved in lobbying for insurance companies against any sort of meaningful health care reform — and its most notable representative in that effort, Dave Racer, has a career apparently predicated on making political hay out of inflaming people’s racist impulses. Check this out:
Minnesota Majority’s Web site features an issue paper on health care, which backs consumer-driven health care and claims that racial diversity and single-parent households negatively affect health in the United States.
“Black women, for a variety of reasons, are more prone to underweight babies than are Caucasian and Asian women. It is not surprising that Sweden has a lower infant mortality rate, or that Japan has a longer life expectancy than the United States does. They are nearly racially pure; we are not,” says the Web page, written by public speaker and former radio talk show host David Racer. -
Calling a Muslim-American a radical jihadist? Check
Equating Islam with 9/11? CheckBigotry? double check
Tuesday, Jun 28, 2011 10:29 ET
Muslim Rep. Ellison draws anti-Muslim Tea Party challenger
Minneapolis Tea Partier says she's challenging Keith Ellison because he's a "radical Islamist"
By Justin ElliottKeith Ellison, one of two Muslim members of Congress, has drawn a Tea Party challenger who says she is running because she believes Ellison is a "radical Islamist."
Lynne Torgerson wrote a post last week on the website of Tea Party Nation on the need to ban Shariah in the U.S., and her claim that Ellison sees Islamic law as supreme:I, Lynne Torgerson, am running for Congress in Minnesota, against radical Islamist Keith Ellison. Keith Ellison fails to oppose banning Islamic Sharia law in the United States. He accuses people of trying to ban it as "conspiratorilists." [sic] Keith Ellison also fails to support that the United States Constitution should be supreme over Islamic Sharia law.
Torgerson actually ran last cycle, garnering 4 percent as an independent. A Minneapolis criminal defense attorney, her campaign website was dominated by critiques of Islam:"And, what do I know of Islam? Well, I know of 911."
And here's a video uploaded yesterday of Torgerson asking Ellison at an event whether he believes Shariah or the U.S. Constitution should be supreme in the United States."I believe that the United States Constitution, which has been amended well over 25 times, is the bedrock of American law," Ellison says. "This whole movement to ban Shariah -- bills like this have been introduced in 22 states -- in my view is a very thinly disguised effort at religious persecution of people that are Muslim."
•Justin Elliott is a Salon reporter. Reach him by email at [email protected] and follow him on Twitter @ElliottJustin More: Justin Elliott
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Well, it's been four months since I visited this post, but Tea Party darling, and Koch-brother-funded simpleton Herman Cain is carrying the torch for tea party bigotry.
“There are peaceful Muslims,” Mr. Cain explains, “and there are extremists.”
He added: “I have had one very well-known Muslim voice say to me directly that a majority of Muslims share the extremist views.”
Pressed on whether he believes that is true, Mr. Cain says he believes his anonymous acquaintance is correct because “that’s his community. I can’t tell you his name, but he is a very prominent voice in the Muslim community, and he said that.”
Herman Cain ladies and gentlemen!
Shall we discuss his relations to women or is that a different post?
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Guess it got tiring to read the non-stop articles about OWS rape, sexual assault, murder, drug overdose, violence, neo-communism, public defecation and masturbation, shooting bullets at the White House, theft, terrorism, anti-Semitism, disease outbreaks and general idiocy, so you had to drag this out. I can understand your frustration.
PS - I do hope you see the irony in calling Herman Cain a "Tea Party darling" in a thread dedicated to trying to label the Tea Party as a bunch of racists.
Up Twinkles!!1!
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I missed the part where you addressed Cain's bigotry.
Jimmy said:
Guess it got tiring to read the non-stop articles about OWS rape, sexual assault, murder, drug overdose, violence, neo-communism, public defecation and masturbation, shooting bullets at the White House, theft, terrorism, anti-Semitism, disease outbreaks and general idiocy, so you had to drag this out. I can understand your frustration.PS - I do hope you see the irony in calling Herman Cain a "Tea Party darling" in a thread dedicated to trying to label the Tea Party as a bunch of racists.
Up Twinkles!!1!
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ah, a contest over who is more racist!
these are always silly.
Each side pulls out incidents.... while I think about lunch.
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Not the basis of my comment, btw.
The racism level misses the point of why such candidates are put forth.
Since Bush the Republicans (and conservative Tea Party annexees) have a history of putting candidates forward that are uninformed, less worldly, utterly dependent and that can be bought. Ones vastly less competent and reliant upon advisors and sponsors. Ones that are utterly indebted to and helpless without the Cheney and Koch Bros types and very easily controlled.
The race/gender appointments they've made, while not racist or whatever on the face of those, are secondary to that but also key in not just running an old, rich white guy against the Dem nominee, now a sitting President.
But on that secondary note, note that none of those strategic race/gender candidates are braintrusts. They are no the best and the brightest and chosen specifically because of that, so they may easily be manipulated and controlled as per Bush.
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whynot_31 said:
ah, a contest over who is more racist!these are always silly.
Each side pulls out incidents.... while I think about lunch.
Ah yes, a classic whynot false equivalency, as if there's anything in the Democratic party that remotely approaches the amount of various republican proposals and comments (at every level of government) that are dripping with bigotry.
But hey, you have the privilege of being white, so I'm not surprised it's all the same to you.
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Boygabriel said:
Ah yes, a classic whynot false equivalency, as if there's anything in the Democratic party that remotely approaches the amount of various republican proposals and comments (at every level of government) that are dripping with bigotry.But hey, you have the privilege of being white, so I'm not surprised it's all the same to you.
I think you are simplifying things into "racism" when it is actually a much more complex array of self-interests.
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whynot_31 said:
...are they the same reasons the democrats choose to run a senator with no experience last time?Sure, many people mentioned it to be a major factor in their vote. Along with the huge promises to change so much else, which died the minute they hit the reality of Washington deadlock, filibuster and politics as usual.
But this still isn't racism.
Along racial lines, yes, but racism is only a small part of the discussion of race just as sexism is only a small part of the discussion of gender.
And by this same token the Koch Brother's choice of Herman Cain and all of the policy they put in his mouth -- which was of course foisted as gospel on the Tea Party via the hundreds of fake grass-roots Tea Party small orgs the Kochs founded and control -- is merely a strategic consideration that has everything to do with racial politics given the current context of trying to split some of the current President's voter support along racial lines.
But to speak to Jimmy's point...this is the Kochs etc. putting forward and controlling messaging in the party they and their peers clearly control.
Cain's rise strictly due to Koch support (as it's been verified that he has NO campaign staff in any state, just a few staff at the Koch Bros' American for Prosperity org handing messaging and decrees out to their local Tea Party shell orgs), having nothing to do with any sort of legitimate bottom-up, populist Tea Party member support for him that would speak to the presence of racism in the party or not.
So again, Cain's appointment by the Kochs to be the lead Tea Party candidate (and hopefully Republican nominee) speaks nothing either way of racism.
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whynot_31 said:
I think you are simplifying things into "racism" when it is actually a much more complex array of self-interests.And I think you your false equivalencies are a joke. I'm open to evidence otherwise.
And FWIW - very early in this thread I admitted that my post should be titled "bigotry", not racism per se.
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jeffrey said:
Sure, many people mentioned it to be a major factor in their vote. Along with the huge promises to change so much else, which died the minute they hit the reality of Washington deadlock, filibuster and politics as usual.But this still isn't racism.
Along racial lines, yes, but racism is only a small part of the discussion of race just as sexism is only a small part of the discussion of gender.
And by this same token the Koch Brother's choice of Herman Cain and all of the policy they put in his mouth -- which was of course foisted as gospel on the Tea Party via the hundreds of fake grass-roots Tea Party small orgs the Kochs founded and control -- is merely a strategic consideration that has everything to do with racial politics given the current context of trying to split some of the current President's loyalists along racial lines.
I completely agree.
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Boygabriel said:
And I think you your false equivalencies are a joke. I'm open to evidence otherwise.And FWIW - very early in this thread I admitted that my post should be titled "bigotry", not racism per se.
I'm of the belief that the one who calls the other a "bigot" or "racist" usually loses, but you can feel free to use such terms.
In my view, the Tea Party is actually doing a pretty good job distancing itself from people who see things exclusively in terms of race or bigotry.
...they are starting to articulate a very fiscally conservative message of self reliance and small government; A message I think will sit well with people who have (for the most part) not needed government assistance.
...yup, in the US, this is often white people.
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whynot_31 said:
I'm of the belief that the one who calls the other a "bigot" or "racist" usually loses, but you can feel free to use such terms.Another great silencing technique. By your logic, nobody can ever be identified and proven to be racist or a bigot.
In my view, the Tea Party is actually doing a pretty good job distancing itself from people who see things exclusively in terms of race.
Well, there is no "tea party". It's loose knit group of communities who have nebulous policy ideas.
And Herman Cain's bigoted beliefs would seem to contradict your view.
whynot_31 said:
I completely agree.jeffrey said:
Sure, many people mentioned it to be a major factor in their vote. Along with the huge promises to change so much else, which died the minute they hit the reality of Washington deadlock, filibuster and politics as usual.But this still isn't racism.
Along racial lines, yes, but racism is only a small part of the discussion of race just as sexism is only a small part of the discussion of gender.
And by this same token the Koch Brother's choice of Herman Cain and all of the policy they put in his mouth -- which was of course foisted as gospel on the Tea Party via the hundreds of fake grass-roots Tea Party small orgs the Kochs founded and control -- is merely a strategic consideration that has everything to do with racial politics given the current context of trying to split some of the current President's loyalists along racial lines.
I pity people who think Obama's support is based largely on race. It is the biggest reason I desperately want Cain to win the nomination:
I'm curious what kind of knots Limbaugh and other gasbags are going to tie themselves into trying to explain how libruls love Obama b/c he's black, but hate Cain b/c he's black.
It's high comedy.
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Boygabriel said:
I pity people who think Obama's support is based largely on race.Just to be clear, this was specifically not where I was going in my post above. It definitely was a significant factor for a decent percent of voters but misses the whole point of all that huge messaging he put out there as the central focus. But then again, you might not have been referring to what I wrote.
And I totally agree with your point there.
Boygabriel said:
It is the biggest reason I desperately want Cain to win the nomination:I'm curious what kind of knots Limbaugh and other gasbags are going to tie themselves into trying to explain how libruls love Obama b/c he's black, but hate Cain b/c he's black.
It's high comedy.
Now Limbaugh etc., there is absolutely no denying that they've always pushed some seriously racist and sexist garbage.
And their massive audiences, by definition as being massive audiences, eat it up.
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