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Jeffries gives ProCro The NoGo -may be against law in the future - broker fraud? — Brooklynian

Jeffries gives ProCro The NoGo -may be against law in the future - broker fraud?

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  • Will boil down to freedom of speech issue which he will lose, but got his name in the spotlight so well-played Jeffries.

  • Totally agree.

    In addition, such a law would be completely unenforceable from a practical stand point.

    Gotta love the populist appeal though

  • In a city, state and country that is already over governed and already has too many stupid laws on the books, adding another stupid law is a waste of resources.

    I have no problem, in principal, with codifying neighborhood names and boundaries - lots of cities around the world do that. If we go down that route, every neighborhood or suburb will end up with a politician's name because they love naming things after themselves (do you want to live in Cuomo, Silver or Jeffries?). I'm surprised they haven't got into this already.

  • blo-mo

    am i too late?

  • Trumpville would be really embarassing

  • I think its a great idea. Other municipalities (nationally and internationally) already name boundaries through a public process.

    In terms of being enforcable all they have do to is have multiple ways to report offending brokers (complaints including real estate listing) and work on a system that creates a scale for the number of violations and maybe a letter grading system. Yes they would have to have some staff to check complaints but I dont see why it would have to be any different than the complaint process at the Department of Consumer Affairs.

  • How will old people pass the time if they can't be nostalgic about what their neighborhood was called, and it's former demographics?

    Will we still have to call it Chinatown when it changes hands to another group?

    Now that the Italians only occupy one street in Little Italy, and Chinatown has grown in size (and encompasses people from most of asia), must I refer to Mott St as being in Little Italy?

    'Cause that would make no sense.

  • Now that the Italians only occupy one street in Little Italy, and Chinatown has grown in size (and encompasses people from most of asia), must I refer to Mott St as being in Little Italy?

    Chinatown - Italy.

    Whynot call it Chit ? ;)

  • I like Chit, but am under the belief that the Dutch want the area to be referred to as New Amsterdam.

    I've also just received a letter from a lawyer representing Native Americans. She says their name should take priority.

    I say we get Jefferies to propose a law against change in all it's forms. That would make everything simple.

    Um, can he do that?

  • Too bad that I voted for this guy. I thought he was different, but this shows that he's no different from other attention-seeking politicians who care only about the next election. It's a shame he can't work harder and focus on genuine issues.

  • Jack, you mean things like education and training that might result in his poorest constituents getting better jobs, so they weren't priced out?

    Or, the creation of additional affordable housing and/or section 8 vouchers?

    I'm sure he's for those things too.

    ...but the " no new names, change is bad bill" is much easier than anything with substance.

  • It also allows people to believe that brokers cause name changes and gentrification, causing people to think:

    "if we can just keep our neighborhoods present name, we can stop change"

    So quaint, trite and naive. I want to ride on that train. Damn it, If they get an enemy (brokers) want an enemy too!

  • I like Chit

    might catch on

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  • Granted, it can be viewed as demagogic, or quixotic, but consider whether Jeffries’ proposal could be beneficial to ALL consumers.

    House-seekers waste so much time and money going to see apartments that are misrepresented in ads. Retail store owners can not get away with what brokers do. There ARE laws about such things when it comes to rental cars, durable consumer goods, advertised specials, etc.

    However, I don’t see the made-up names as being as much of a problem as the falsely advertised locations. Remember, the street address is not always given, so one can not look it up for oneself. If the apartment is listed without an address, it should at least NOT have a false “neighborhood” location. This could be a benefit of Jeffries’s proposal. A commission could determine where neighborhood boundaries were and their names, and those names should be used in the context of commerce, with no non-conforming names. Seems pretty simple, though I’m sure there’d be some tricky junctures when drawing the map. For those concerned about change over time, there could be a revision of the map periodically. Fair enough?

    As long as they had all the players at the table to write the above law, I would also like it if accurate measurements of an apartment were mandatory in ads. Ceiling height and floor area as square feet. So quantifiable. You can’t make that shit up when you’re selling a television, why is it OK for real estate?

    So I am willing to hear Jeffries out, and if his proposal is developed in a broader, consumer-protection context, I might be appreciative of his efforts. Some things might have to remain fuzzy, as, for example, the definition of “cozy,” but other things can be quantified, and it would be nice if those things were accurate in ads.

  • sandcastler that sounds levelheaded to me. Cheers -IP

  • Thank you inpixels

  • it's the deliberately misleading made-up names that are impossible to police. that's why mcdonalds sells a "thick shake," which sounds remarkably like a common drink made with ice cream but isn't, cookies are filled with "creme," and there's a product called mrs. butterworth that has neither butter nor worth, etc. pro-cro, nolita, noho, whatever, they're all neighborhoods of saleslandia.

  • Assuming they were ever able to create a list of the official names (a big assumption), If I were a broker, I would adapt by using the regulated neighborhood names with modifiers before or after them or use terms that had no regulations attached.

    Near Prospect Heights

    Minutes from prospect park

    Gentrified Crown Heights

    Etc

    This way I could continue to convince the less savvy buyers that they were living in a neighborhood they couldn't actually afford (or didn't want to pay for).

    You know, like how Kraft advertises Cheese Product? ....because it isn't cheese.

    I agree, the government could do more to protect consumers, but I don't think Jefferies is going about it the right way. Caveat emptor remains the best advice

  • Weren't all neighborhood names made up by the folks in saleslandia?

    Wasn't Crown Heights created when they made Crown St, and wanted to create a more exclusive sounding neighborhood for the wealthy?

  • The commission on neighbor names sounds like a hellish place to be.

    All of the various ethnicities and interest groups would complain that the neighborhood should be named after them, based on vague authority.

    Folks would constantly test the limits of the law by naming their area after real features:

    "Brower Park area of Crown Heights" would be shortened to Brower Park.

    Etc, etc

    We are talking about full time employment for life for the folks on that commission.

  • ProCro, SoBro, FiDi, BoCoCa: A Lawmaker Says, ‘Enough’

    "Jonathan Butler, who created the Brooklyn blog Brownstoner, said the area that set Mr. Jeffries off, “ProCro,” may deserve its own name because it shares elements of both Prospect Heights and Crown Heights. “Crown Heights is huge,” he said, “and in this case, the subneighborhood designation is quite helpful.”

    For all the fuss, a cursory search of Craigslist ads revealed no trace of listings for “ProCro.” "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/nyregion/procro-sobro-fidi-bococa-a-lawmaker-says-enough.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=nyregion

  • this agent seems to like the traditional borders and name "Crown Heights", s/he even takes the time to describe the borders in their ad:

    http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/nfb/2332580115.html

    this guy seems partial to bringing the name "Crow Hill" back from the past:

    http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/abo/2331410976.html

  • Daily poll: “Pro-Cro,” Brooklyn

    Posted in Own This City by Tim Lowery on Apr 6, 2011 at 6:44pm

    We’re shocked we haven’t asked you yet about “Pro-Cro,” that term some realtors use to describe a section of Crown Heights that's near Prospect Heights. So after stumbling upon this man-on-the-street vid about the “’hood” this afternoon, here it goes: Does a little part of you die every time you hear “Pro-Cro”?

    http://newyork.timeout.com/things-to-do/own-this-city-blog/1146139/daily-poll-“pro-cro”-brooklyn

  • A little part of my brain dies whenever I read Gothamist; They put out that video.

    I remain partial to the term "Crown Heights", and would like it if others called the area by my preference.

    ....however, I am quite opposed to government wasting time on this issue. They have actual work that needs doing.

  • Jeffries has convinced Corcoran to label properties east of Washington Ave as Crown Heights: http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/corcoran-caves-to-hakeem-jeffries-in-pro-cro-naming-war

  • FauxPro has a real ring to it.

    THAT might stick

  • FauxPro yo. :D-Y

  • Yo!

    You can call it FauxPro, but I'm gonna call it FauxCro.

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