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Forty years ago, two years after the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert Kennedy, a simple lamppost was built on the median of the principle roadway leading

into Prospect Park.

Are you suggesting that the lamp post erection is somehow related to the assassinations? If so, what would lead you to believe that? If not, why mention them together?

This lamppost is the Brooklyn Mirador

Says who? That's a name that you made up.

The Tower of the Empire State Building is perfectly framed within and precisely bisects the Arch.

Nope, not quite.

This view reflects our dedication to the proposition that all men are created equal and documents the relentless challenges to our resolve.

What? Where did you get this from?

This historic view should be protected and promoted

It hasn't been designated as historic. In fact, by your own accounts, experts (which you are NOT) say it's coincidence and nothing more.

The Mirador, the Arch, Bailey Fountain, the JFK Memorial and the Tower are aligned along the axis of Grand Army Plaza. Why?

Alignment along an axis is pretty typical.

Planners Calvert Vaux and Frederick Law Olmsted, and Brooklyn Parks Commissioner James Stranahan, devoted Lincoln men, aimed the axis of the Plaza at that mansion,

You have no evidence to support that, but there is evidence that the axis simply points to the magnetic north pole at the time of construction. Are you insinuating that the location of Grand Army Plaza was selected with both direct north AND the mansion in mind? It wasn't.

Blah, blah, blah, lots of historical trivia that has nothing to do with anything

Enough said.

In 1931, the Empire State Building replaced the Waldorf-Astoria, exposing the original alignment planned by Vaux and Olmsted

Again, where's your evidence? Oh yeah - you don't have any.

This view and its history have remained unknown and

undocumented for 40 year

It doesn't have any history other than one mans rampant session of connect the dots that aren't related.

Someone please PM me when this develops a shred or even a mere glimpse of a coherent thought.

Thanks

richard said:

One or two steps at a time. OK?

Sure, lemme just adjust my aluminium hat... OK!

richard said:Do you believe that Vaux and Olmsted, in 1869, had no motive in positioning the Lincoln statue as they did?

Of course I think that they had motive in placing where they did - aesthetics. Tell me, if you had a site shaped like an ellipse, would you place it on an axis of the ellipse? Without a doubt, and on the long axis, as well.

richard said:Do you believe that they had no idea it was facing a particular location, the home a leader of the most influential group who opposed Lincoln and the Civil War, and would rather amend the Constitution to protect slavery to maintain business as usual?

I think that they were dead certain that it was facing a specific direction - magnetic north. As to whether or not I believe that they knew that it pointed over the river and through the woods (literally!) at a house not visible - no, I don't believe that they did.

You obviously believe that they did know, this brings up two questions -

1) Does this suspicion of yours somehow constitute evidence?

2) Do you think that the magnetic north orientation is mere coincidence?

richard said:Is this a coherent staring point?

No, but I expect nothing less of you, Richard.

sandcastler said:

So, is this related to the G.A.P. is a giant ladyparts theory?

http://standard-deviant.blogspot.com/2006/11/grand-army-plaza-is-giant-vagina.html

Wait. We could be sitting around talking about how GAP is shaped like vagina and how great that is, but we are instead talking about some made-up, revisionist nonsense?

What the hell?!

I vote we talk about vaginas.

Although I don't have one, I could write about them happily for hours.

Boygabriel said:

Stop with your vagenda, WN

excuse me?

My vagenda?

Boygabriel-

If you were to take the time to review the thread, you will find that Sandcastler is the one who is the one who has given this thread the potential for intelligent dialogue.

Given Richard's apparent obsession with all things Lincoln, and his insistence that GAP is aligned with the four of the seven Taco Bell's in Indianapolis which of course, it is), I was not expecting him to partake.

But Whyfi has no excuse. Despite being informed that GAP resembles one of the body parts subject to the most intense debate and fascination THROUGHOUT HISTORY, Whyfi continues to try to convince Richard that he is making stuff up, and has convinced himself of theories that no else believes or cares about.

Whyfi-

Of course you are free to spend your time as you choose, but may I respectfully ask "Why do you feel this conversation with Richard is a good use of your time?", especially in light of the information Sandcastler has brought to bear?

Whyfi and Everyone else-

If we are going to have a thread that talks about the historic significance of GAP, let's not settle for discussing how it may be aligned with the Empire State building that has only been around since the 1920s, and silly, made-up theories about the intentions of the designers.

Instead, let's take a cue from Sandcastler and the good folks over at Standard Deviant: Let's discuss how it may resemble a vagina.

Because this is a thread on history, let's also discuss the historic significance vaginas have played.

Here, I'll give you a framework that isn't something I made up in order to convince you of some bizarre agenda:

1. Vaginas have been around since the literally the beginning of animal life...

2. Ever since we stopped being simple organisms that reproduced by dividing into pieces, our very survival on earth has depended upon them!

If we are going to talk about GAP, we risk being called misogynist if we do not talk about its obvious influence by (and reverence of) vaginas.

Just to make everyone happy, I say we put the Lincoln statue where the clitoris would be and call it a day.

Boygabriel said:

I was just kidding man.

I know man.

But take this friendly advice: I've learned the hard way to not kid about vaginas.

Some of the graduates of places like Smith College or Oberlin will take it the wrong way and kick your ass.

Whyfi-

You don't seem to be taking my advice today, but I can't resist giving you what may be helpful information:

I believe that professionals in the field of psychiatry have found that when treating persons with fixed delusions or "blind faith", verbal interventions are often most effective when coupled with psychotropic drugs.

Now of course, I do not know if such a course of treatment would work in this instance.

Nor am I absolutely certain that such treatment would be indicated or reimbursable as per his health insurance.

Nor can I get you said drugs.

Nor can I figure out a way in which you would legally trick Richard into consuming them.

But I am CERTAIN, that your prior efforts to convince this poster that his theories are not based on any factual or logical basis, have been complete and utter failures despite your noble efforts.

....and I do strongly suspect that our patriarchal asses are at risk of physical harm from some of the graduates of Smith and Oberlin if we don't give begin to give them their due.

If I may continue:

While the designers of Grand Army Plaza may have cleverly disguised their true intentions under rhetoric and events of the "civil war", I am among those very few people who know the real story ....and no one can tell me that I am wrong.

a. Even in historical times, Grand Army Plaza was abbreviated as GAP.

b. Although considered to be crude, in the 1800s, men consistently referred to vaginas as being a "gap" that they wished to get to.

Hence, they built an avenue that noted the common conditions of the day (as discussed above, women's bushes were often flat) in order to get to the gap.

Booklaw-

You will not dissuade me from my theories with your "facts"!

Nothing in life is coincidence! Everything has a reason!

Although pantyhose may not have existed, how about halters? yes, I meant to type halters.

Halter (not pantyhose) are the explanation for why they all had flat bushes.

excuse me, booklaw. no one ever burned bras. http://www.snopes.com/history/american/burnbra.asp

carry on.

I'm just glad we all agree that if one follows the flat bush long enough, one reaches the gap.

What do you folks think about my idea to move Lincoln to where the clitoris should be?

Although he might want to be somewhere else, I believe I am correct when I assert that most women believe that men have gotten to be where they want to be for far too long.

This is a thread that is trying to give women their due. It is time for Lincoln to do his part.

As I understand it, obelisks want to be in a gap, but are often denied permission by the owner of the gap.

...but there are many other plausible explanations for its absence:

-It could be stuck in flat bush traffic.

-It could be lost.

-It could not want to go to this particular gap.

....you'd have to ask the obelisk's owner to get the real answer. I try not to go around just making stuff up.

Sweet Tea, I had intended that question for WhyNot... no offense intended!

It might be a bit fortunate that all of the vagina talk has made richard run off - I've done a little digging and I may have to eat crow.