Missing 8-year-old B'klyn boy found dead
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its really sad, i was reading about it.
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Terrible. Kid just wanted to walk home, can't even let kids do that anymore.
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this whole thing made me had a flash back, in the early 90's or late 80's. me and my friend was walking home, these two dudes in station wagon came up to us and ask for directions for this street. literally it was a few blocks away. we told them how to get there.
the two dudes in the car insisted we get into to it and show them, i was like !@#$% do we look like idiots. my friend umm not as street wise almost did. i drag him away and we ran.
never forgotten the two dudes in the station wagon.
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I can only imagine what the parents are going through. And this is why you never leave your kids alone before they hit 13 or 14 years of age. My parents allowed me to walk to PS 9 during the bad ole days of the'70s. And the only reason I feel I didn't end up like this poor kid is dumb luck. Now, knowing that keeping your child in sight 24/7 is impracticable, you teach them to scream, kick & bite when strangers offer a hand, and if they get lost, to call 911 on their cell (or a store phone), or flag down a city official. Such as NYPD, NYFD, Traffic Cops and so on. It is a bat-shit, fucking psycho world out there. We need to be prepared for the worst in humanity.
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Idlewild said:
Now, knowing that keeping your child in sight 24/7 is impracticable, you teach them to scream, kick & bite when strangers offer a hand, and if they get lost, to call 911 on their cell (or a store phone), or flag down a city official. Such as NYPD, NYFD, Traffic Cops and so on. It is a bat-shit, fucking psycho world out there. We need to be prepared for the worst in humanity.I lived in Borough Park for quite some time and it is not uncommon for Orthodox adults to stop other Orthodox drivers and ask for a lift. Had this sicko been a non-Jew I do not think this child would have gotten into the car with him let alone even ask him for directions. As a human being and a parent I am sick to my stomach about this. My heart goes out to this little boy's family.
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The key word being "adults". I have never seen kids looking for rides where this is practiced. For me, it's usually seeing it Williamsburg by the Kent Ave exit/entrance of the BQE service road. My guess is the kid was probably too scared to say "no" and at the same time, a little too trusting as all kids his age are.
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i agree with stacey if the guy wasn't jewish, the kid probably would of think twice, like the serial killed child murders back along time ago if the guy was not of the community those kids would think twice.
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This kids in this community are taught to trust the adults in the community implicitly and not to trust outsiders, either adults or other kids. Unfortunately, that can result in predators being able to take advantage of young kids pretty easily. There has been a huge debate within the Hassidic community over issues around child molestation, but there is a great hesitancy to discuss it openly or seek help from outsiders. I just hope that this crime will again cause discussion and thought for those believers.
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It is thought provoking (it that the right word?) that the cohesiveness of the orthodox community, and the speed at which they and the police mobilized is theorized to have caused the abductor to panic and kill the boy.
Basically, by doing everything a community is "supposed to do", the community inadvertently caused his death. ?!
disturbing
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the murderer caused his death.
i get what you're trying to say but it veers a bit into victim blaming, which I'm not comfortable with.
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I think everyone agrees the murderer caused the death
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I totally agree, there is no way the blame should be put on anyone but the murderer.
...one can not "panic and kill a boy" because their is a massive search underway and get any sympathy.
it's just screwed up that it happened the way it did.
I am open to using another word besides "caused", but can't think of one at the moment.
Kelly said Aron "panicked" when he saw the police response to find the boy and "that's why he killed the boy."
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if he doesn't get sent to the insane prison upstate, he would most likely get killed in general population i bet.
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Leiby Kletzky was lost and scared. Child predators, predators in general, learn to take advantage of this type of situation. They are excellent con men. I imagine any older man with a clean cut smile and a personality which evoked warmth & trust could have convinced the young man to go with him.
Does the orthodox community tell their children to only listen to strangers if said stranger is orthodox as well? I'd like an answer from someone who's either in or used to be part of the orthodoxy to answer. No judgements, I'm just curious if the "tight knit community" aspect still exists.
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And now, just seeing a picture of the 'alleged' perp, who in no way is orthodox, backs up my statement about predators of all sizes, colors and backgrounds, being very good in getting their victim/s.
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What picture did you see idlewild? I saw pics on NY1 and although he is not hasidic, he certainly looks orthodox. I agree with you that predators come in every shape and size. Peace to the poor childs family.
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tsarina said:
What picture did you see idlewild? I saw pics on NY1 and although he is not hasidic, he certainly looks orthodox. I agree with you that predators come in every shape and size. Peace to the poor childs family.I meant Hasidic. I have a very bad habit of intertwining the two. Sometimes I'll get Orthodox and Conservative mixed up as well. Never the less, I do not believe (as in I'm not sure) Hasidics consider Orthodox to be Followers of the Law. This is why I have a hard time believing the young man approached this monster for help. And to answer your question, I saw his MySpace pic the Daily News posted online.
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as one might expect, there is a lively thread on the website that serves the Lubavitch Jewish Crown Heights community.
--I understand that the CH community is a different community from the Borough Park folks, but I don't know website that serves the Borough Park community--
http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=36133&catid=23#c
His parents waited until 7 p.m. before contacting the Shomrim, the local civil-patrol group. Shomrim contacted the NYPD at 8 p.m.
Officers and search dogs, aided by the scent of Leibby's personal belongings — including of his black leather shoes — flooded the school looking for clues. An estimated 3,000 volunteers — including busloads from Hasidic communities in Lakewood, NJ, and upstate Monsey — joined the search.
bolding added by me. I continue to be simply amazed at how fast the communities can mobilize, and how massive of a response they can produce.
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Went for a walk today after the freak storm and the streets of Brooklyn where melancholy, I only walked about two blocks before I saw a NYPD Shomrim Society missing poster for Leiby Kletzky, then another one at the train station, so tragic and sad. My heart goes out to the family and the Brooklyn community, Rest In Peace.
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Without an indictment or a "superior court information", a defendant cannot plea guilty or be sentenced on a felony charge. In addition, he may very well be suffering from a mental defect which renders him not criminally liable. However, the detectives attempted to undercut that by having him admit that what he did was "probably wrong" in his statement.
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Idlewild said:
Leiby Kletzky was lost and scared. Child predators, predators in general, learn to take advantage of this type of situation. They are excellent con men. I imagine any older man with a clean cut smile and a personality which evoked warmth & trust could have convinced the young man to go with him.Does the orthodox community tell their children to only listen to strangers if said stranger is orthodox as well? I'd like an answer from someone who's either in or used to be part of the orthodoxy to answer. No judgements, I'm just curious if the "tight knit community" aspect still exists.
This article discusses the trust of those within the community.
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I wonder if said trust actually has any positive or negative effect on protecting kids from:
sexual crimes (which this may be),
ormurders caused by folks who are hearing voices (which this may be),
orjust the random murder that we may never understand (which this may be).
...because the research seems to show that:
-- kids are usually sexually assaulted by people they trust.
-- people who act violently when hearing voices tend to be pretty spread out in our society; they don't just fit a limited demographic.
-- people who act violently yet are seemingly well tend to be pretty spread out in our society; they don't just fit a limited demographic.
Note: I don't think the conclusion is that no one should ever trust anyone; I just think their is no certain way to determine who should be trusted and who should not be.
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this would get people in different communities to teach about street smarts. like i said about my childhood experiences, my idiot friend had none, he was gonna go near the car cause they were like come on show us. i pulled him away and we ran.
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Interesting article on nytimes about the ethnic thing someone above mentioned.
Yocheved Schachter, a 47-year-old nurse who lives in Borough Park, Brooklyn, acknowledges that she has a double standard of sorts: one for people who share her background, and one for people who do not.
“If you’re in the airport and need help, a Jew will help you,” said Ms. Schachter, who is a mother and a grandmother. “I pick up hitchhikers, boys waiting to go to yeshiva. When I travel and see another Jew, we’ll eyeball each other; there’s a connection. Everywhere you go, all over the world. I’ll still do it.”
So like her neighbors in Borough Park, she has been bewildered by the fact that Leiby Kletzky, 8, was kidnapped and killed, the police say, at the hands of another apparently religious Jew, though not a Hasidic one.
“The fact that this came from within,” she said, “it’s beyond belief.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/nyregion/leiby-kletzkys-killing-rattles-jewish-communitys-trust.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion -
Yeah but the alleged killer is traif. They keep showing pictures of him in cowboy hats, shaven beard, cut sides, basically lived life on the infidel side. Again, I'm not sure the Hasidim would have anything to do with him. Except for business. This is why I believe this guy spotted a lost kid and approached him first. The NYPD & media stories of the young man initiating just doesn't make sense when you look at the facts and players. It's almost like they're down-playing this. An I mention all of this not to make this a Jew on Jew squabble, but to emphasize that a stranger is a stranger and always a potential psycho when it comes to anyone's child.
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When compared to the danger posed by relatives and friends, the danger posed to children by strangers is minimal.
I think NYPD Commiss Kelly stated this was the first stranger abduction and murder of a kid the city has had in something like 30 years.
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I agree wit
whynot_31 said:
When compared to the danger posed by relatives and friends, the danger posed to children by strangers is minimal.I think NYPD Commiss Kelly stated this was the first stranger abduction and murder of a kid the city has had in something like 30 years.
True that. I would definitely tell my kids not to go with anyone else besides myself (and other parent) unless previously arranged. In regards to Kelly; this is an obnoxious thing to say. How many children go missing every year in NYC and are never found? How does he know they weren't abducted by strangers?
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"I wonder if said trust actually has any positive or negative effect on protecting kids from"
Why are you looking for way to subtlety twist it so that blame rest on the community there?
Because they have some sickos and pervs like every community?
How does that pertain to what happened?''It is thought provoking (it that the right word?) that the cohesiveness of the orthodox community, and the speed at which they and the police mobilized is theorized to have caused the abductor to panic and kill the boy. Basically, by doing everything a community is "supposed to do", the community inadvertently caused his death. ?! disturbing "
Are you for real?
Seriously?
You have a very interesting way of seeing the world.
Stop trying so hard to sound academic and different then the masses.
See it for what it is.
WOW...
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Idlewild said:
I agree witTrue that. I would definitely tell my kids not to go with anyone else besides myself (and other parent) unless previously arranged. In regards to Kelly; this is an obnoxious thing to say. How many children go missing every year in NYC and are never found? How does he know they weren't abducted by strangers?
I assume he is basing his statements on research re: who abducts and/or kills kids.
From what I have red, it is usually family members and people know to the kid.
....I agree, it doesn't make the situation any less tragic if it was your kid that gets abducted and killed though.
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