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US Appeals Court Rules Against Mandatory Health Insurance — Brooklynian

US Appeals Court Rules Against Mandatory Health Insurance

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  • No. This will inevitably go to the Supreme Court, then we can consider obituaries.

    Obama should have forced single payer with all his political will, might and capital.

    Anything else was a 'compromise' failure like many of his other major policies.

    Anyway, references:

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/11th-circuit-federal-appeals-court-st

    So before it makes its way to the Supreme Court, a few other cases have to be settled:

    This turns the attention to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is expected to rule on a health-care challenge sometime this month or next. A three-judge panel neard oral arguments in the case, which consolidates challenges brought by Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli and Liberty University, on May 10. All three are Democratic-appointees: Judges Andre Davis and James Wyan, both picked by President Obama, and Judge Diana Motz, chosen by President Clinton.

    “The feeling was the panel in the Fourth in the argument was relatively solicitous of the government’s position,” said Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond, who follows the Fourth Circuit closely. “Most people believe the judges will uphold the individual mandate and uphold the statute broadly.”

    There are also two other cases in the mix. The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Cincinnati, ruled in June that the law was constitutional. The plaintiff in that case, the Thomas Moore Law Center, has already filed an appeal against that decision. Another case, in the D.C. appellate court, is scheduled for oral arguments on Sept. 23.

    No matter how the two undecided cases go, there’s enough disagreement already for the case to be taken up by the Supreme Court, which opens its next term in October. Many expect that the Supreme Court will consider the case this term, which means it has to issue a decision no later than June, 2012. Supreme Court experts expect the justices will take up oral arguments for the case in late spring, leaving enough time to issue a decision in June - right as the presidential election gets into full swing.

  • Single Payer is dead, please grieve and move on.

    Even if ObamaCare is deemed constitutional, do you think enough people will see the benefits of it before 2012?

    ...what is to stop those opposed to it from simply getting it repealed?

  • Single Payer is dead, please grieve and move on.

    I know you believe that with all your moderate heart, but it simply cannot be stated as fact.

    Sorry friend.

    Anyway, someone smarter than me said interesting stuff:

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003549.html

  • It wasn't moderate me who first declared dead, it was this lefty sites like this: http://www.singlepayeraction.org/about.html

    The know that we will need a different president to support it. Obama to single payer advocates: drop dead.

    ....maybe some liberal state will try to implement it. We can all send our sick grandmothers there and crash the system.

    ...go ahead, support Kucinich in 2012. Let me know how it goes.

  • ah yes, if I support single payer I must be as out there as Kucinich.

    Nice.

    Up until the last few months of the health care debate, many people assumed Obama would put forth single payer. That's what he promised when he was campaigning and he, gasp, got elected anyway!

  • We all make promises we can't keep when we are interviewing for a job.

    (if they'd asked me, I would have said I won't surf the net)

    ...please don't hold it against Obama that he quickly realized he couldn't do as he promised when he was campaigning.

    Hell, he thought he could close Guantanamo Bay and he hasn't been able.

    You thought he'd be able to something huge like reform health care? Really?

    health care reformer wrote: Anyone upset by the new REQUIREMENT for all of us to purchase health plans needs to just Get Over It. As with so much in life it may be distastful, but if the community is improved by these changes/burdens, then they are for the greater good and we have to accept them. It is the smarter thing to do.

    In this instance, the paternalists do know what is best for us, and I sincerely wish them luck in the Supreme Court.

  • I'm not holding it against Obama, I'm arguing that single payer is not some fanciful impossibility.

    I know you're convinced it is, and that's what makes you, you.

  • Maybe our disagreement is over time frames.

    After all, everything is possible in the long run.

    Hell, the IPad with Skype is almost as cool as the stuff they predicted in the Jetsons.

    What is the soonest you think this country could implement a single payer system that provided universal health care for citizens?

    2020?

    2030?

    2040?

    2050? [Note: By 2050 I will likely be dead from natural causes]

    2060?

    Note:

    A. Letting the red states out of the union is considered cheating.

    B. Passing a plan that has an implementation date after the next election is considered cheating if the public then elects people that repeal it.

    C. Regardless of its decision, the Supreme Court's ruling on whether to allow the feds to require that everyone purchase health insurance, may set your cause of "single payer" backward, not forward.

  • It had a shot of happening this year if Obama had fought for it and/or actually wanted it.

    It is immediately possible.

    The exponential rise in health care costs over the last decade is completely unsustainable and one day we will realize it.

    Whether this happens before every non-rich American has bankrupted themselves remains to be seen.

    C. Regardless of its decision, the Supreme Court's ruling on whether to allow the feds to require that everyone purchase health insurance, may set your cause of "single payer" backward, not forward.

    No, this is more relevant for Obama's terrible compromise where he requires purchasing insurance, but doesn't provide a public option or single payer.

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