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bruce... where da jobs at?

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  • Ask James Caldwell of BUILD where the jobs are. BUILD went through hundred of applications to get some 30 people trained and hired by Ratner. It ain't easy turning folks from unemployed into skilled tradesmen and women.

    Sorry for the pro-Ratner banter.

    Now back to the back-biting and nay-saying!

  • Capt-

    Remember, only the people who believed this project would make unskilled people, employed at high paying positions are suckers.

    They were foolish enough to think a CBA would change the world, and be abided by.

    Pay attention, Ratner isn't the enemy!

    PS. If affordable housing is ever built, only the most savy, credit worthy, together members of the poor will get them, and some people will claim that the most needy are not being served.

    Everyone else will state: Um, why did you expect that they would be?

  • BTW, isn't it great when people think there is an enemy? They focus all of thier attention there, while the machine is able to function undisturbed.

    Myth: Ratner, the board of education, the criminal justice system and social programs will magically fix all of societies ills.

    It will be great.

    Don't get left behind....

  • millions of ratner dollars made

    and 30 jobs created

    is this the new math?

  • The names of the teachers and students constantly change, but the math is always the same.

    Marty Markowitz = Homer

    Ratner = Mr Burns

    Karl = groundskeeper Willie

    Whynot = Milhouse

    Meanwhile, the citizens of Springfield (Brooklyn) think the local nuclear power plant (government) is competently run.

    The show goes on.....

  • People got jobs, they just didn't get paid. We will know more tomorrow:

    Council Member James, State Senator Velmanette Montgomery, South Brooklyn Legal Services, Clergy and Community to Hold Press Conference in Support of Brooklyn Residents Persuaded into Participating in Deceptive Atlantic Yards Training Program

    Press Conference This Tuesday, November 15, 3:30pm at 67 Hanson Place and South Elliott place - in front of the District Office of Council Member James

    Federal lawsuit to be filed against Forest City Ratner Companies LLC, and others for damages based on unpaid wages and false promises

    (Brooklyn, NY) A group of Brooklyn residents who participated in a job-training program negotiated as part of the Atlantic Yards project plan to file a federal lawsuit against the Atlantic Yards Development Company LLC, Brooklyn Arena LLC, Brooklyn United for Innovative Local Development, Forest City Ratner Companies LLC, Bruce Ratner and others.

    The suit seeks the recovery of unpaid wages as well as damages based on false promises. The plaintiffs are represented by South Brooklyn Legal Services (a program of Legal Services NYC) and Emery Celli Brinckerhoff & Abady LLP.

    WHO: Elected Officials, Clergy, Lawyers, and Plaintiffs

    WHAT: Press Conference to Announce Lawsuit against Atlantic Yards Development Company LLC and others

    WHEN: Tuesday, November 15 at 3:30pm

    WHERE: 67 Hanson Place and South Elliott Place in front of the District Office of NYC Council Member Letitia James

  • "BUILD President James Caldwell did not reply for a request for comment in time for publication."

    http://www.observer.com/2011/11/suit-forest-city-broke-union-promises/

  • nice photo..about 2 months old the contents even older. No jobs if you were not already in one of the unions...10 or 15 years ago. Everybody hold still jobs are very near just serving stuff inside the building constructed by workers making 50 plus benz Maybe Magic or Jzee will put out more cash to have a job or 2 that pays and has benefits

  • What makes us think we could force any entity to hire the most unqualified, the most unconnected, the most problematic of our society?

    The idea that we could force someone else to solve our collective problems is a pipe dream indeed.

    The good jobs will continue to be held by those with the connections, and power to get hired. After all, how difficult is it to assemble a theater of precast seats using modern equipment.... ?

  • an article published today on the missing jobs:

    http://thebrooklynink.com/2012/02/29/42154-where-are-the-barclays-center-jobs/

    Gib Veconi, the treasurer of the Prospect Heights Neighborhood Development, points out that although the developers may have promised jobs for Brooklyn residents, they may not be legally bound by their words. “There’s no question that lots of commitments were made in speeches, presentations, and promises,” Veconi said. “But when push came to shove, and the documents were signed, few of the public commitments that were made really made it into the documents.”
  • today's ny times "corrections" listing noted that a recent article had referred to the barclay arena being built in "downtown brooklyn" but actually it was located in prospect heights and park slope -- though close to downtown brooklyn. the correction noted that this same error had occurred in numerous articles in 2011.

    It had also occurred in every single article about the arena from 2003- 2012.

  • Although we likely did not need to invest massive amounts of public funds in order to have an arena built by a private developer, it happened anyway.

    Now that the arena is practically open, there is no sense in not enjoying it.

    ....after all, why should only others get to enjoy something that we all paid for? The transaction is done. Enjoy the games and shows; the time for symbolic protest has passed. It is time to move on.

    That said, we should ensure that proponents of using public funds for private profits are forced to state this as their primary motive.

    No doubt, they will attempt to point to the arena as being the sole cause of the area's resurgence. If they are able to do this, they will get away with similar wastes of public funds in the future.

    We should constantly remind people that public funds played a role changing the area, but that the area surrounding the arena was prospering nicely before the project was approved. We should constantly remain people that only a fool would have not been interested in building an arena at this location, regardless of whether it was heavily subsidized.

    We could use stats like this, which show increasing subway ridership (a close correlate to increasing economic activity), prior to the arena's approval and construction.

    Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn (DDDB) may not get the credit or the blame, but its members can take some solace in knowing that one of the arena's main supporters, Carl Kruger has begun serving prison time for bribery in an unrelated case.

    Likewise, DDDB can take some solace in knowing that Bertha Lewis is no longer in charge of an organization that allowed her (and others) to state that public funding for an arena would magically address the complex array of problems faced by NYC's chronically unemployed poor people.

    Karma is a bitch.

    While merely being "the enemy of my enemy" may not be enough of a basis for a friendship, it is enough to bring a smile to my face.

    ...an even bigger smile would come if this caused people to question those who promise easy solutions to complex problems.

  • But the biggest smiles will be saved for when the monster truck rallies come to the arena!!! It'll be even better than seeing Rush perform live.

  • I have no word on when Rush (the band), or Rush (the idiot) will perform.

    However, Barbara Streisand is coming!

  • Rush (the band) performs at Barclays on 10/22/12 @ 730pm. Show is preceded by a poety reading by our own Karl the Druid (if he's not booed off stage).

  • I think you are right, Karl is unlikely to sell out.

    ....One of the many ways he is unlike Bertha.

  • karl can not compete

    with those sterling food reviews

    of ole wacky jack

  • Karl, while your poetry is abysmal second only to your collage art, I can't but help know that your talent is accurately reflected by the following Jim Hanley lyrics (if you disagree, kindly take your Depakote as prescribed):

    Dear when you smiled at me, I heard a melody

    It haunted me from the start

    Something inside of me started a symphony

    Zing! Went the strings of my heart

    'Twas like a breath of spring, I heard a robin sing

    About a nest set apart

    All nature seemed to be in perfect harmony

    Zing! Went the strings of my heart

    Your eyes made skies seem blue again

    What else could I do again

    But keep repeating through and through

    "I love you, love you"

    I still recall the thrill, guess I always will

    I hope 'twill never depart

    Dear, with your lips to mine, a rhapsody devine

    Zing! Went the strings of my heart

  • a melody,

    zing went ole jack krohn's

    rhapsody

  • get your tickets now

    jack krohn in easter parade

    at barclay train stop

  • When I am older I will tell the story of a mythical place where the Atlantic once met the Pacific, and a righteous battle was fought against an opponent that the warriors knew they could not defeat.

    One of the warriors was a Druid.

  • Justin Bierber's concert will give us a perfect opportunity to compare and contrast which audience we prefer:

    Tween girls,

    or Men Who Like Sports.

    http://www.barclayscenter.com/

  • Don't just ratify. Beliebe.

  • That wiley wascle wratner, he merely promised us drunken crowds who would pee on our Brownstones, but we are getting so much more!

  • This is a fascinating conversation but despite anything that was said, there will be little or no jobs created. Perhaps a few low rent jobs and that is better then no jobs but certainly not what was promised.

    Were jobs promised? Of course jobs were promised as that is a part of every deal. Pols believe because they are corrupt or they want to believe, or both.

    To think that jobs will be created is to lack a fundamental understanding of capitalism which is the need to return value to the shareholders. Nothing else matters. You might disagree with this from a humanistic standpoint, as I do, but the bottom line is that people on the payroll are very expensive. Each dollar saved goes to the bottom line and payroll is the most controllable expense on a P & L as that is B School 101.

    Employees today are like fat. You want as little of it as possible and you work those who DO have jobs like dogs. If they do not like it, the can quit and you simply do not replace them. More money to the bottom line. Sorry to have this viewpoint but it is reality.

  • I agree. Many people "knew this" all along.

    ....I suspect even Bertha knew it.

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