Loud, late parties on St Johns (Washington-Classon)

Well said, GOD. I always scratch my head when people try to market inconsiderate behavior as "culture". My building is a mix of yuppies/buppies and long-time residents, most of whom are Puerto Rican, African-American or Haitian. We all consider noise to be a respect issue and have all complained at one time or another when neighbors have violated what we consider to be standards of common courtesy.

I've lived in this neighborhood for 10 years. Whether it's carribbean culture, black culture, or just neighborhood culture, the folks in this neighborhood have been being loud for a long time. Yes, it's rude. Yes, it's annoying. But every neighborhood has its annoying aspects. To some it might be annoying that there are babies crawling all over the place in Park Slope. For some it's that the music is too loud. For some it's that the teens seem to not care whether they walk straight into you or curse at the top of their lungs while running down the street. It sucks. But! I think it is wrong headed to say that it is "common courtesy" or "common knowledge" that one is supposed to be quiet after 10 p.m. That's ridiculous. Hell, I went to wasp-y boarding school and never heard that rule.

It might be common knowledge amongst the folks you grew up with or associated with. But let's not confuse your rules with everyone's rules. I have a friend who was raised to think that a girl must accept every date she is invited to go on. When I said that I'd never heard that rule, she looked at me like I was a heathen. I had a boss once who looked at me sideways because I'd never heard of Bendel's. I know kids who grew up on the Upper West Side (and go to tony private schools) who are surprised to hear that Harlem is a part of Manhattan. I know teens in Bed-Stuy who think that anything above the Bronx is Upstate New York.

We all have different knowledge bases. And different social norms. People who don't know what you know aren't necessarily low-class (and really, who are you, William F. Buckley, Jr.?) or uneducated. Also, they might be. But really, who cares? If you want them to be different, say you want them to be different. But don't call them stupid or ignorant just because they aren't like you in the ways that you think are important.

Ignorance isn't an excuse

Hey man. If your culture involves disregarding + disrespecting others, other people have to respect that.

Cool The Kid said:

Hey man. If your culture involves disregarding + disrespecting others, other people have to respect that.

Respect:

Yes, I think it is pretty common for people to confuse the difference between:

"violence/intimidation/fear"

and

"respect".

However, we should still encourage those who live their lives based on violence and intimidation.

This classic clip from Bronx Tale explains that a long, happy, successful life (perhaps especially one based on intimidation) involves thinking about the consequences of your actions.

I wish more people would watch it.

That is true right up until the people overthrow you

God,

I just want to tell you that many people believe you and the late, great Haile Selassie share the same drivers license.

At this very moment, in graduate schools and marijuana palaces around the world, people who have never met Mr Selassie and were born after 1980 are debating whether Mr. Selassie's rule was based more on respect or fear.

It is awesome....

Fine.

But I am still going to donate $10 to Grand Army Plaza fund, so they put up a statue of Mr Selassie this year.

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/06/closing-bell-help-fund-holiday-decorations-at-gap/#disqus_thread

I heard the gunshots also. I am hoping no one was injuired. That little club needs to be shut down.

Bam. http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/man-shot-on-st-johns-place

Some of you people have some nerve. You moved into these neighborhoods because you couldnt afford the rent where you were comfortable and want to complain about people who host parties on the weekend? C'mon. Some people might think "Who the hell do they think they are?" I agree that during the week and on Sundays loud music late into the morning is highly inconsiderate and deserves calling in the police to intervene, but to complain everytime music is loud? C'mon. I am a Dj from Brooklyn and I do play for a lot of private events for middle class, hard working people that party till the sun comes up, be it in thier apt or backyard. Someone stated that they were waiting for someone to play the race/culture card ... my friend ... IT IS PART OF THE RACE/CULTURE. I had a gig in Flatbush last year for a guy who hosts a party every year. He went all over the neighborhood and advised his neighbors of this party .. and welcomed them to come by .. eat drink and meet the rest of thier neighbors. Some new neighbors were very rude and told him as long as its done at 12am we have no problem. He advised them that the party will go on till 4am. Then they said we will call the police and slammed the door in his face. The police came around 1am and told the gentlemen throwing the party that his neighbors were complaining but they advised them that this was an annual thing for the community and they will ask us to lower the music and end it @ 4am. I did lower the system but apparently that wasnt enough for our new neighbors. They threw a glass bottle into the backyard filled with people and almost hit a woman, barely missing her head. I saw the whole act and called the police. The neighbors denied it. I dont need to continue the story any further. My bottom line is, do not come into our neighborhood and think that you can deprive people of what they like to do. They work as hard as you do... and you will eventually find yourself in trouble. Believe me. If you do not like it ... move ... and that was not a joke. People are talking in the community and they are not happy.