Please Advise: Crown Heights Safety Kingston Ave
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I remember when I moved to Sunset Park, my ex-landlord warned me, "You may not have any money, but they are going to think you do because you're white".
The attackers may prejudge a little bit on race too!
Although things went fine there, that's a white specific dilemma that I'm not sure MHA considered.
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I can't think any group or place that I don't associate with positive or negative feelings.
It's all a matter of what degree we let such feelings impact our lives, and those of others.
It is all a matter of degree.
-Some people let such preconceived notions rule their lives, and make no apology for it.
-Others deny they have any preconceived notions, and are seemingly oblivious.
-Others try to take in new information, and fight the brains natural tendency to put things int categories.
-Still others insist that they know to what degree others are acting on preconceived notions.
It's somewhat interesting.
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Ahh well... the world will be over soon.
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I've been wondering where Haile Selassie thought we will go.
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I wonder were I a Hasid would you dare make a similar snide remark about the Rebbe? I doubt that you would...So strip away the faith, and highlight the comment, and what do you see?
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I'm actually a big fan of Mr. Selassie's, and think he'd be ok with me as a fan.
Re: The Rebbe. I'm not sure what the reaction of a "typical" Hasid would be to me asking where (or whether) the Rebbe thinks the afterlife will happen.
My impression is that many of our Hasid neighbors on Kingston believe the Rebbe was the Messiah, but others don't.
...I've reached the conclusion that just like the percentage of people that believe in Mr. Selassie; it is always changing.
Also, as this thread might demonstrate, it is tough to generalize about who is a fan of who. Or, who loves a good conversation.
...I've had several great conversations with Lubavitch members over the years.
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Returning to topic of "crime and housing projects", this quote from Kelly appeared in today's NYT:
According to Mr. Kelly, about 4 percent of the city’s population lives in public housing, where 20 percent of all violent crime occurs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/nyregion/officer-shot-in-lower-east-building.html
Is it wrong to suspect that crime might also be prevalent in the area's AROUND the projects?
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MHA said:
Dang, I'm high, I'm coy, I'm seeing giants instead of windmills... Meanwhile eastbloc, your vision is crystal clear....Nowhere in there did the the thread initiator declare how they dress. No one said, 'Hi, I wear suits to work, and the neighborhood that I plan to live in, well, they don't. Am I safe?' What was presumed was that the thread initiator was 'white like me', and 'I'm safe in this Black neighborhood....et al....' Now we are crouching towards racism by saying, it's okay for a white person to ask this question. Whynot comes close in answering my question about the reasonableness of a Black person asking the same thing, but alas, he too falls flat... It's common sense now to be prejudiced? Go figure...
What race is/are the threadstarters?
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Oh yeah, tell me Whynot 31, what is it about Haile Selassie that makes you such a big fan??
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You know what they government should stop tracking via race and start just with economics, from violent crimes to poor schools to who needs help etc.. than from race.
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Yes, that might be the best way to go about it.MHA-
There are many reasons, but I will list the fact that Bob Marley liked him as one of my primary ones. You know Bob Marley's song War was based on Haile Selassie's writings, right?Although credited to Emperor Haile Selassie I, whose Christian name is Tafari Makonen, the text was actually written by Lorenzo Tazaz, a close contributor who wrote many of the Ethiopian leader's most important speeches, including one given in 1935 to the League of Nations. Spoken in Ethiopia's official Amharic language at the U.N., the 1963 speech was published in English in Important Utterances of H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie I 1963-1972.[4] The book gave permission to freely use its contents: "Any portion of this book could be reproduced by any process without permission."
The song uses part of Selassie’s speech that calls for equality among all without regard to race, class, or nationality in his hymnal cry for peace. It also asserts, quoting Selassie directly, that until the day of an equal society, there will be war.
In the original speech, Selassie urged U.N. officials and country representatives to disarm nuclear weapons, and to end international exploitation (specifically with Africa). The song honors Haile Selassie I while calling for action against racial inequality and international injustice. The part of the speech used by Bob Marley was preceded by the following words:
Last May, in Addis Ababa, I convened a meeting of Heads of African States and Governments. In three days, the thirty-two nations represented at that Conference demonstrated to the world that when the will and the determination exist, nations and peoples of diverse backgrounds can and will work together. In unity, to the achievement of common goals and the assurance of that equality and brotherhood which we desire. On the question of racial discrimination, the Addis Ababa Conference taught, to those who will learn, this further lesson:
Here is the part of Haile Selassie’s speech put to music by Marley in his original song “War” (Bob Marley slightly modified the original words, changing each "that until" to "until" and added the word "war" several times):
That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; That until there are no longer first-class and second-class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil. – Haile Selassie I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(Bob_Marley_song)
While it is a great song, sadly, I think there will be war as long as there is humanity.
When war fails, ganja is sometimes the answer.
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dquejuan said:
Hello All, My wife and I will most likely be closing on a condo in Crown Heights on 943 Saint Marks Avenue. We are moving from Harlem and my wife works pretty late at a restaurant in midtown. The subway stops on Kingston C or 3 will be her means home, both are 6 blocks from our address. Could you guys offer any wisdom on what line to ride or avoid at which time? Ladies, specifically, what do you do to keep safe? Thanks so much.Wow maybe my reading comprehension sucks but seems like all you asked was what train line women of the neighborhood feel safer on coming home late at night.
My personal preference is the 3 train. The C takes forever and the a/c never works well on the ones I seem to get on. I would assume that it's a shorter trip on the 3 also. She should try both lines once to see which one she prefers.
As for keeping safe on the train, I never fall asleep and never flash my electronics or jewelry.Enjoy your new place.
ETA - thanks Brooklyngirl for the Brooklyn Bike Patrol shout out

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