Change comes to Fulton Mall?
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I would not mind seeing a wider selection of shops in the Fulton Mall. The statement in the article that most FM shoppers are not from the nabe is silly. Are most Manhattan shoppers from Manhattan ? ?
And yes certain types of products are marketed to certain groups of people from cheap malt liquor to over priced, cheaply manufactured clothing. Every one acts as if this is the first time people with money have moved to the nabe. As long as I've lived here there's been a significant amount of black people earning a high income. Bed Stuy has always had a huge middle class population. Why is that not reflected in the places like Fulton Mall?
It is what it is. And its up to us to free the chains from our minds. -
It is not reflected because Fulton Mall businesses make a lot of money as it is because there is a large segment of the African American community in Brooklyn that buys the cheap (expensive) junk. The problem is that a critique of the selection always garners the same response whereby someone in the African American community cries racism and lumps all blacks into the same category. It's tiresome. Until the African American community publicly recognizes that not every black in America has the same interests or background, you'll always get kneejerk reactions that, frankly, re-enforce stereotypes and give people who are racist ammunition.
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Again, I don't understand why we can't just let the market decide this. It seems so simple, why make it complicated?!
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my grand pa use to own a store there in the 70's to 80's and people changed. and now the hood has changed around it.
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judging from the throngs who go to the fulton st mall, myself included when i need to check out some limited edition sneakers, i think the market has decided that the stores at fulton st mall are a success.
also, where else can you find every single cell service provider from cingular to sprint to tmobile etc? it's a one stop shop.
and there's a rite aid and duane reade there also from what i recall. -
woman/man cannot live by limited edition sneakers and cell phones alone
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ltjbukem wrote:
Yeah, that's all they're trying to do, is make money.
And that's all businessmen are trying to do -- make money. Their goals are purely mercenary. Assigning any kind of societal Grand Plan to their goals, as Al seems to be trying to do, is naive at best, and paranoid at worst.
Apparently you've never heard of the TRI-LATERAL COMMISSION, and GWB's Daddy's New World Order, and how that all relates. Or about the infamous Triangle Trade from Colonial and slavery days.
As Mother Jones told us wisely, "Sit down! Read! Prepare Yourself for the Coming Conflicts!"
And yeah, we free our minds from the chains...IF we can train our minds to question, challenge and resist authority, IF we can overcome an institutionalized educational system that in many cases never teaches us to THINK at all, but rather SOCIALIZE ourselves into Good, Appeasing, Lemming-Like Snarkies.
Wait, did I say that? -
queencallipygos wrote: [quote=ltjbukem]
Yeah, that's all they're trying to do, is make money.
And that's all businessmen are trying to do -- make money. Their goals are purely mercenary. Assigning any kind of societal Grand Plan to their goals, as Al seems to be trying to do, is naive at best, and paranoid at worst.
Apparently you've never heard of the TRI-LATERAL COMMISSION, and GWB's Daddy's New World Order, and how that all relates. Or about the infamous Triangle Trade from Colonial and slavery days.
...Which was itself a business deal, created by three corporations trying simply to make money. Your point?And yeah, we free our minds from the chains...IF we can train our minds to question, challenge and resist authority, IF we can overcome an institutionalized educational system that in many cases never teaches us to THINK at all, but rather SOCIALIZE ourselves into Good, Appeasing, Lemming-Like Snarkies.
Again, I ask you -- if the powers that be really WERE trying to suppress the masses, why would they choose such an easily-neutralized weapons as commerce? Think about it -- all you need to do to resist the effects of this marketing is say, "no thank you."
Wait, did I say that?
I don' t know about you, but if I really wanted to control a large segment of the population, I wouldn't use a tool that granted the individual any free will at all. Economics =/= mind control. -
In terms of the nostalgia/preservation factor, from a hip-hop point of view Fulton Mall is a huge tourist attraction/place of interest for people overseas, from Japan to Germany to the UK - it's been immortalised in many a song and, while I'm sure that doesn't show up in any of the real estate surveys, it's as famous for a whole group of people as certain Manhattan department stores/blocks.
To see it full of the same stores you can find in every city or mall would be a shame. -
Anonymous wrote: In terms of the nostalgia/preservation factor, from a hip-hop point of view Fulton Mall is a huge tourist attraction/place of interest for people overseas, from Japan to Germany to the UK - it's been immortalised in many a song and, while I'm sure that doesn't show up in any of the real estate surveys, it's as famous for a whole group of people as certain Manhattan department stores/blocks.
Good point about the tourism factor. But in terms of the actual stuff sold, there's really nothing special there. There are lots of places in the city with similar wares (Canal St and Fordham Rd, just to name 2).
To see it full of the same stores you can find in every city or mall would be a shame. -
Good point about the tourism factor. But in terms of the actual stuff sold, there's really nothing special there. There are lots of places in the city with similar wares (Canal St and Fordham Rd, just to name 2).
I'm sure you could say that about a lot of tourist spots - beyond the experience of going there, there's often little of real value there that you couldn't get elsewhere (and often cheaper)!
I know a couple of Japanese friends who wanted to go because someone made a song about it, and so if they can go home and tell their friends that their new sneakers are from there then that's them happy. I guess it's all just part of the intangible 'flavour' or 'vibe' of the place, even if it may look garish or cheap to some people. -
What is left of those days is about to quickly disappear.
The National Retailers Arrive In Force:
http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/08/nyt-national-retailers-flock-to-fulton-mall/?stream=true
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The electronics retailer, the Wiz, started out as a little store on Fulton St. What hurt quite a bit was when the old big box stores went out of business. Korvettes, A&S were major players in that area. I used to shop there quite a bit. But that was back in the 70s.
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