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  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Sorry lamb chop many residents don't agree and they continue to sign along with the other merchants on Franklin maybe if the removal of the wrought iron structure that encloses the garbage cans where removed ( this is located along side the bike corral) which is not allowed by sanatation then a corral could go there .

  • ehgee
    ehgee

    There have been some discussion on the Transportation Alternatives Brooklyn email list of putting counter-petitions in some businesses on Franklin, like Little Zelda and Breukelen Coffee House. I'm not sure if they're there yet.

    Of course, there are still several hundred parking spots on Franklin Avenue for the subsidized use of the less than 40% of Crown Heights households with cars:

    http://www.nycedc.com/blog-entry/new-yorkers-and-cars

    Unfortunately, bike infrastructure has gotten tangled up in all kinds of issues and agendas beyond providing a cheap, safe mobility option. My $300 bike is, to some, a sign of elitism, while a $30,000 automobile with a $300/mo. insurance bill is represented as a sign of regular folks, despite only a minority of households having one.

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Hey ehgee what about more bike racks on the side walk ? And what about bikes paying for parking on the street they city needs the money especially after sandy

  • newguy88
    newguy88

    ehgee said:

    There have been some discussion on the Transportation Alternatives Brooklyn email list of putting counter-petitions in some businesses on Franklin, like Little Zelda and Breukelen Coffee House. I'm not sure if they're there yet.

    Unfortunately, bike infrastructure has gotten tangled up in all kinds of issues and agendas beyond providing a cheap, safe mobility option. My $300 bike is, to some, a sign of elitism, while a $30,000 automobile with a $300/mo. insurance bill is represented as a sign of regular folks, despite only a minority of households having one.

    Glad to see TA is on it. They do good work!

    The attack on bikes is just part of a continuing attack and denial of the reality of the changing transpiration needs of the country. It's funny but having a car in Manhattan is considered such a luxury. Here it's not seen as such a luxury.

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Ehgee so if u are not a customer of those businesses u don't have the right or opportunity to sign the petition along with the fact that those business don't have a wide racial customer base example blacks Asian Spanish so is that a true reflection of community board 8 I don't think so . Our community board is quite large and the other ethnicities have a right to be canvassed to. Or is it that they are invisible and their views are not important. Remember u can sit anywhere on the bus now and Barack is president.

  • eastbloc
    eastbloc

    Indeed, ehgee.

  • newguy88
    newguy88

    SO I'm trying to dig up any mention on the Transportation Alternatives website to the bike rack and can't. Does anyone have a link to it?

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Press: http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/bike-corral-critics-petition-to-get-parking-spot-back

    As per a comment by Rob Witherwax (a reliable source) in the above article, it sounds like the precious parking spot will be discussed at the CB8 mtg on Jan 22.

    This has entertainment potential.

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Why not entertaining the diverse community of crown height don't feel it's entertaining

  • newguy88
    newguy88

    January 22, I'll be there. So here's how I see the progression of the argument against the bike corral.

    Oh noes! Their taking our parking spot! Oh noes! No one asked me if it was ok. Oh noes their are people in the neighborhood who didn't used to be here and look different!

    Seriously, cities evolve and neighborhoods change. It's part of life deal with it or move up state where there are fewer bikes.

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    We will see u there new guy

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    witherwax wrote: The Transportation Committee of Community Board 8 will be discussing this topic at our next meeting: Tuesday, January 22 at 7pm at CNR-Center Light Healthcare Center (727 Classon Avenue, between Park Place and Prospect Place). We hope to see you there.

    I think this meeting is usually attended by about 10 people.

    Between the local news scene being slow, and me stating that I believe this is just the first step by the Persons With Bikes For World Domination to eliminate every parking spot in the city, we might be able to get attendance up to 30.

    P.S. I hear the Persons With Disabilities For World Domination are going to make every spot and reserved for them, and outlaw the manufacture of most bikes because they can not be ridden by people with some specific disabilities.

    /sarcasm

    ....I love New York City!

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Why not there will be more than 10 to 30 people there. Tensions are really beginning to run high in the crown heights community keep whipping them up in a frenzy history often repeats itself. Thank u .

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Do you think we will get to hear lots of hyperbolic statements?

    http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hyperbolic

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    U mean like the statement I just made

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Yes.

    For best results, both sides want to be quoted in the media using Slippery Slope arguments, and appearing so angry that people think the mtg will be like a Rocky movie.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

    Hopefully, they will be disappointed once they arrive and see only smart rational adults that have nothing better to do on a Tuesday night. ...but you never know.

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Ok why not now we are dumb

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Why not I guess we people are just too emotional and let us sincerely apologize to u.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    There is no need to apologize for being emotional. ...some people may want to see emotional people.

    I have not yet decided whether I will go. It all depends on whether I think the event will be a productive conversation or a lot of yelling.

    ...and which I feel like seeing on that evening.

    So, I will wait until Tuesday right before the mtg is to begin to decide.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Here's the electronic version of the petition to KEEP the bike coral:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/m/204/576/745/support-the-bike-corral-on-franklin-avenue/

    Little Zelda is also collecting signatures at their storefront.

    If anyone has a link for the one to get rid of it, they should feel free to post it. Does any one know if those opposed to the bike coral are using a digital version? Are they using pen and paper only?

  • littlezelda
    littlezelda

    Hi all-- just a hello to say that as the volunteer maintenance partner for the bike corral we will be at the CB8 transportation committee meeting to answer questions (if we can!) and explain why we think the bike corral helps keep Franklin cleaner, greener, helps keep our sidewalks clear, and provides options for bicycle riders.

    Also just wanted to let everyone know that the original proposal was discussed and voted on by both the CB8 transportation committee and the full board, both of which recommended its installation!

    - Kate, Little Zelda

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Yes Kate it was voted on by the cb8 but it has to be re addressed thank u

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    It looks like momentum is building....

    Streetsblog (one of the largest alternative transportation websites), ran a story today encouraging readers to attend the upcoming CB8 mtg:

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/01/16/more-new-yorkers-can-use-bike-parking-than-car-parking/

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/01/15/brooklyn-community-board-8-franklin-avenue-bike-corral/

    It is also in Brooklyn Spoke (one of the city's largest bike sites): http://brooklynspoke.com/2013/01/16/support-the-bike-corral-on-franklin-avenue/#respond

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    I wonder if all those people live on Franklin Ave sterling place park place prospect place st Johns place classon ave bergen st and marks ave that's the impact zone. It's nice people have opinions but they should live in the impact zone

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    At this point, it really isn't going to matter where they live.

    The only folks who actually count are those that sit on the CB8 transportation committee. They get to decide whether to change their mind, and/or have the full board vote on it again. They were elected by the members of CB8, and can choose to form thier opinions based on people who live in the neighborhood, or not.

  • chloeroyale
    chloeroyale

    Oh u believe that ok u know everything mike so I will leave it to you to preach your sermon

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Preach? Nah, I can't say I have very strong opinions on this issue.

    whynot_31 said:

    There is no need to apologize for being emotional. ...some people may want to see emotional people.

    I have not yet decided whether I will go. It all depends on whether I think the event will be a productive conversation or a lot of yelling.

    ...and which I feel like seeing on that evening.

    So, I will wait until Tuesday right before the mtg is to begin to decide.

  • newguy88
    newguy88

    chloeroyale said:

    Yes Kate it was voted on by the cb8 but it has to be re addressed thank u

    No it really doesn't.....

    Hehe, I love this. :D Can't wait for Tuesday!

    Also keep in mind that if they take the bike corral they'll be tearing up bike lanes next.

  • epiclylaterd
    epiclylaterd

    Do the opposers of the bike corral think they are on some sort of heroic preservation voyage? OH NO!!! First our parking spot...WHAT'S NEXT!!!!111 At first I though it was odd it was in the street, as both a car owner and biker...then I realized it's one spot. I know there are deeper undertones than it being "just" the parking spot, but all the time and effort opposing something this silly could be redirected to something that would, gasp, possibly benefit the community. Not seeing how moving these/taking them away is going to make a difference. In any case I signed the online petition.

  • stacey
    stacey

    It boggles my mind that this is all over ONE parking spot. I think people are making much more out of this than necessary. I for one think its a good idea.

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