The Vacant spot left by Climax, 775 Franklin (corner of St Johns)
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He always looked down on blacks and was never very nice that's why is core business is non black.
Interesting. I didn't know the role identity politics played in retail. Maybe it's for the best that is changing?
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Eastbloc-
Climax made money for years on that corner, as did Bob and Betty's (previously known as Fishers) on its corner.What I think is being missed here is the concept of Market Segmentation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_segmentationBy serving a specific segment of the market, a store is able to bring value to the marketplace and make a profit.
Let's take Climax:
In its previous incarnation, it was a store that catered to persons who wanted the latest in specific brands and styles of clothing and shoes. This formula allowed it to survive (prosper?) until the area's consumers changed. Now, I believe it has chosen to change its products, branding and marketing to appeal to a slightly different demographic.There was nothing inherently "bad" or "good" about its prior store, or the future one. ...locals will either miss the old version, or enjoy the new version depending upon whether they are part of the new target market.
Let's take Bob and Betty's (which owns Pulp and Bean):
As a result of increased competition from big supermarkets like Compare, Fisher's was basically losing all of its low income customers, largely because it did not have the economies of scale to compete in the new environment. In addition, the number of low income people in the neighborhood has been shrinking.B&B then decided to pursue a segment that was actually growing: People seeking small, fancy portions because they lived alone, or split an apartment 4 ways. It opened a coffee shop too: Pulp and Bean.
...same speech re: good and bad.
Pursue green. If one direction doesn't work, or no longer works, try another.
Here are the ways to perish:
If you try to sell to people who don't want your product or service, you perish.Regardless of someone wants your product or service, if they do not have green, you perish.
The green shoppers are the ones who count.
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I don't know anything about Climax, but one of the posters above suggested they struggled because of the lack of loyalty from black shoppers. I propose that if this is what a business hinges on, it's not long for this world.
As you say -- it's only the green shoppers that matter.
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The previous poster was discussing Pulp and Bean's lack of black shoppers. Nothing was said in that regard about Climax.
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When I have been in Pulp and Bean, they served everyone with green.
I think it follows that if more people had green AND liked their coffee, they'd serve more people. Hence, I believe that Pulp and Bean would like everyone to have more money and like its coffee.
Returning to Climax:
It is free to offer whatever mix of products and services it chooses, and should sell them to whoever desires them and has green.P.S. Credit cards are often not literally green, but still count as green in this discussion.
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Please note even when the area was black they did really support him
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He may not have been offering goods that all segments of the market could afford, or desired.
Very few businesses have a customer base that represents every segment of the surrounding demographics in the same proportion as census figures.
They simply can't.
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Well now he definitely not offering what the minorities would want plus he has a flat and cold affect.
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Do you like the Compare Supermarket?
It is big enough that it is able to offer products that cater to people of different incomes and with different tastes and preferences.
It has a enough cashiers that at least one of them seems to be happy and having a good day.
The readers of this board were really excited when it opened. If you read the comments on these threads, it sounds like they wanted to give a big hug to the staff and dance in the aisles when it finally opened:
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The previous poster was discussing Pulp and Bean's lack of black shoppers. Nothing was said in that regard about Climax.
I see my mistake.
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Why not its ok but my father died there it was the old Bkyn Jewish hospital er and I am a big diet snapple drinker and they don't have the amounts I need . Why not I spend a lot of money on food my family was the #1 shopper at path mark on 13 th st for years. Thats one of the largest part of my budget
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I don't have a car or a large family, so it doesn't make sense for me to trek to Pathmark and stock up and have to use car service to get home.
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Why not I got u, but please remember there are two sides to a coin I use compare just to fill in what I forgot to buy or what I run out off. The staff is friendly . How do feel about Neptune diner?
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I go there once and a while, but prefer Purity diner over on Underhill and Dean.
...I don't like Tom's on Washington, mostly because I won't wait in line for breakfast. They give people oranges and cookies while they wait in line, but I just keep walking to Purity.
I only feel like having a nice brunch once and a while, so I'm glad there seem to be enough other people that like fancy bunches to keep those places open for when I finally want to go to them.
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Chloe-
Did you get the info I've bolded from the owner himself?
chloeroyale said:
Climax is now on Fulton st between Nostrand and beford next to pretty girl.His customer base is down there now he wants to rent the Franklin ave location. Please note the new location is much larger with more inventory. He is making his money he tells me things are going really well!It seems to be contrary to what pulpandbean posted.
Maybe one of you has more current information than the other on what he plans to do?
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Why not I will double check it
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Oh TSarina keeping fixing it up I see u getting all the green u desire Thank You!
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Climax was in a prime location, with plenty of windows both on Franklin & on St. John's (plus, the B45 bus stops right there). I can't imagine it being vacant for long.
After living in this neighborhood 5 years, we finally have a variety of good restaurants to choose from (by contrast, when we first moved here in 2008, our only option was Chinese takeout from behind a plexiglas partition).
What I'd love to have is a Goodwill or Housing Works thrift store on Franklin or Washington. And, don't shoot me, but I'd love a nearby CVS/Duane Reade/Walgreens. Those mom & pop pharmacies just don't cut it when it comes to stocking a variety of cosmetics and sundries.
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No thrift shop please we have that rosebud operation on franklin
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At some point I may be mature enough not to smirk at you writing "climax was in a prime location", but not yet. -
chloeroyale said:
No thrift shop please we have that rosebud operation on franklinTrue. But Rosebud only carries clothing and accessories, right? It'd be great to have a thrift or Goodwill-type shop that also carries housewares, books, board games, etc. Sometimes you just need an extra lamp or old t-shirts for the gym.
Also, the Goodwill on Fulton (bet. Franklin & Classon) is the closest we have for donating stuff--it'd be convenient to have one nearer to the Eastern Pkwy. end of things.
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As per an article published today:
Business owners say that rising commercial rent has played a roll in pushing out long-standing establishments, and even a few of the newer ones that tried to capitalize on the change.
For instance, Climax, a store selling urban clothing at 775 Franklin, is moving to Fulton Mall in Downtown Brooklyn, a popular shopping destination among minorities, which itself is undergoing a radical redevelopment.
“We’re not dead yet,” said Abraham, a twenty-seven-year-old employee, who like several people interviewed for this article preferred not to give his full name. But, he conceded, “business is down. Everything started changing.”
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Almost two months later, March 5, 2013:
The sign still says Under Renovation, but no carpentry equipment is evident. Likewise, there is no For Lease sign.
This makes me believe that Pulp&Bean again has the news, and that the new tenant will be chosen from a very short list.
Starbucks, are you reading? This corner could be high enough traffic for you. You could kill many of the coffee shops on my coffee shop deathwatch thread in one, quick swoop.
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Hello. Whynot it seems as if coffee shop closings seems somewhat amusing for you and other posters on this site. Do you know that people put lots of hard work, time, and money into these businesses? It seems that the desire to have Starbucks to open has consumed you. Do you not think 5 coffee shops is not enough to choose from? Where was starbucks when there was no coffee option? Why is there a need for them now?? Is it for the bathroom? ? Is it for wifi?? Is there some thing missing that the shops on Franklin or else where are not doing? If so suggest it!
As far as climax goes the spot is not for rent. I think I said this before. The owner is looking to open the space for themselves. -
While I enjoy trying to predict what coffee stops will close over the coming year and what type of stores will replace them, it is not because I have forgotten my years of hard work in food service.
While some may disagree, I see the present mix of businesses as STILL lagging behind the changes in residents, and their preferences. I think a salad-bagel place, or one that sells burritos would be awesome.
Commenting on the local buisness mix seems to be a NYC hobby: http://evgrieve.com/2013/03/7-eleven-fallout-east-village-groups.html
My case may be unique, I haven't had a cup of coffee in over 20 years.
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pulpandbean said:
Hello. Whynot it seems as if coffee shop closings seems somewhat amusing for you and other posters on this site. Do you know that people put lots of hard work, time, and money into these businesses? It seems that the desire to have Starbucks to open has consumed you. Do you not think 5 coffee shops is not enough to choose from? Where was starbucks when there was no coffee option? Why is there a need for them now?? Is it for the bathroom? ? Is it for wifi?? Is there some thing missing that the shops on Franklin or else where are not doing? If so suggest it!
As far as climax goes the spot is not for rent. I think I said this before. The owner is looking to open the space for themselves.hahaha
if you think the coffee places offer everything everyone needs, then don't worry if Starbucks opens. you'll drive Starbucks out of business!
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Starbucks is more for the yuppie type that likes "brands" (and would more likely live in a more-branded neighborhood), rather than the indie/hipster/arty type that more of the young folks here are from (myself included). They prefer indie coffeeshops with "cafe culture", and generally dislike Starbuck's super-dark roast. Notice how few Starbucks there are in the rest of Brownstone Brooklyn, especially compared to Manhattan.
The upside to Starbucks is that its part-time jobs offer health insurance.
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ehgee said:
Starbucks is more for the yuppie type that likes "brands" (and would more likely live in a more-branded neighborhood), rather than the indie/hipster/arty type that more of the young folks here are from (myself included). They prefer indie coffeeshops with "cafe culture", and generally dislike Starbuck's super-dark roast. Notice how few Starbucks there are in the rest of Brownstone Brooklyn, especially compared to Manhattan.The upside to Starbucks is that its part-time jobs offer health insurance.
i hate life
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Over the last 2 years, I perceive the indie/hipster/arty type in the neighborhood as shrinking in number along Franklin. I suspect many are being priced out.
When I talk with those who appear to meet the indie/hipster/arty description that remain, I find they are young lawyers, teachers, bankers, etc. who merely dress differently than I.
It seems they increasingly own in the the neighborhood, not rent: http://e2.ma/message/db6uf/xyhnig
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