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  • In my view, it is clear that Little Zelda is not being "thrown under the bus."

    To the contrary, the board seems to have agreed with them that it is ok for a merchant to ask their patrons (regardless if they represent a particular hue more than another), and then get the support of the CB.

    It seems as if they are granting individual businesses some level of preference and discretion whether they would like a bike corral. However, the board seems unable to let this discretion extend to having a reserved spot for the owner, a loading zone, or a spot for the disabled.

    Thus, the board's powers seem to be very limited, and subject to the actual approval by the DOT. ....the board can merely make a recommendation.

  • Pitmana u and people like u will go to little Zelda people of the other race will not go there. It was all about Me me me with little Zelda and no to the rest of use in a diverse community

  • My meaning was that it appears like to me Little Zelda's is being treated by some individuals like they did something wrong or sneaky, when in fact they went through the proper channels to have the bike corral placed. Not everyone may like the corral but I don't think that this makes them bad neighbors or unfriendly to the increasingly diverse Crown Heights community.

  • The only one I hear screaming Me Me Me around here is you, Chloe.

  • Why not keep dancing around the issue and why don't u just use the word RACE instead of hue ! It's about RACE!

  • Pitmama i know the screams u would love to silence likewhen u use to silence us with the German shepherds and the water hoses . We really have not forgotten it and we tell our children too

  • Yes the board can make a recommendation for the installation of this bike corral but no recommendation for the disabled who now has to not only have to compete for parking with cars but also bicycles giving them less access to shop all the federal law required was for reasonable accommodation now we have made sure they can't participate.

  • *pets German shepherd*

  • chloeroyale said:

    Yes the board can make a recommendation for the installation of this bike corral but no recommendation for the disabled who now has to not only have to compete for parking with cars but also bicycles giving them less access to shop all the federal law required was for reasonable accommodation now we have made sure they can't participate.

    Now were are getting somewhere.

    Unlike the other arguments you have attempted, this one strikes me as having merit because you can argue that a specific group of people in a protected class (Persons with Disabilities) is being subject to a Disparate Impact by car parking spaces being replaced by bike spaces.

  • Why not I notice u just can't even bear to comment on how mr witherwax was clueless in this meeting not viewing the signatures etc all I hear is silence like we all know blacks get a different kind of justice not only in the community board but in the judicial system.

  • I wasn't at the meeting.

    ...The whole board votes on this next, right?

    In order to stop car parking spots being converted into bike corrals, you'd really need to convince the Board or the DOT that this policy constitutes a Disparate Impact.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact

    This seem to me that it would be a much more successful than focusing on whether a proportional amount of every race/hue/religion/disability status/income etc was involved in getting the corral approved.

  • Chloeroyale, if disabled parking is what youre concerned about, follow Little Zelda's model and present it before the community board. Instead of bashing a business that went through the proper channels, and twice was approved, you should try doing the same. You may not like the bike corrals, but guess what, they're here to stay. How this becomes an issue of race is beyond me. The only reason I continue to read your off-kilter, slightly deranged posts is out of pure entertainment only. And no I'm not white so don't try to play that card either.

  • Why not I don't know all I know is the minority and the disabled community are disenfranchised in crown height of course it's tied in to gentrification the 300 plus signatures that i obtained without even going four blocks are being made aware that their signature their voice does not count and really they need to shut up and pay their taxes. Trust me they did not like this cb8 outcome they are choking right about now and they will be in full cardiac arrest soon give it time.

  • Epicly-

    I don't believe the CB has the ability to recommend a disabled spot in the same way it can a bike corral.

    Their ability to recommend a bike corral is new.

    DMV wrote: Parking Spaces, New York City

    New York City does not set aside reserved spaces on its streets for persons with disabilities. Reserved parking spaces are only available off-street, in parking lots for shopping centers/malls, office/apartment buildings and college campuses. You can use the vehicle plates for disabled persons or a state permit for disabled persons to park in reserved spaces in those off-street lots.

    However, the NYC Department of Transportation issues a City permit (a rectangular dashboard permit) that allows persons with severe disabilities to park at most curbsides on NYC streets. City permits are issued to people with a permanent disability that so severely affects their ability to walk that they require the use of a private automobile. The New York City parking permit is not valid outside of NYC. For more information or to obtain an application for a NYC permit, call (718) 433-3100 or visit the NYC Department of Transportation's web site .

    http://www.dmv.ny.gov/broch/c34.htm

  • To my knowledge, nothing granted by petition from a governmental agency (such as DOT, DOH, etc) or quasi governmental agency (such as a community board) requires that the petitioner demonstrate that a proportional sample of the population was polled.

    Nor, are the people behind such petitions required to keep track of those who are opposed to whatever they are requesting.

    Basically, once you get the required number of signatures, you get to go before the government agency, which then decides whether it is a good idea.

    ....I sincerely hope that the board would stop deciding it was a "good idea" if the number (ratio?) of bike spots to parking spots no longer served the "public good".

  • Epiclylated good that u are black /aapi and I'm sure the longer u live u will eventually experience what ur mother and father went through and u will too and I'm sure u have felt it already . Keep lying to yourself it may just work for u . And since u where not at the meeting and did not see the dynamics then u are getting it second hand . If u are truly a minority hopefully u will have a job on Monday.

  • Chloe-

    To convince me that the loss of a car parking spot has a disparate impact against people who are black, you would have to show that black people own cars at a greater rate than whites on our little section of Franklin Avenue.

    Can you?

    Then, you would have to convince the board that this loss of a parking spot presented a greater "loss" to the community than the "good" that the petitioners claim it brings.

    ...Frankly, your Disability argument seems more credible.

    However, I am not on the little Transportation Committee or the "big" CB 8 full board.

  • Chloe, I never said that I was black, I only said I wasn't white dude.

  • Epicly-

    I don't think it matters what your hue is. The board should decide based on the issues I describe above, not on silly things like hue, or imagined things like race.

  • Why not u are not getting what I'm trying to say the parking spot that the bike corral is in has an impact on the disabled my husband came to the meeting her revealed his diagnosis he told them how difficult it was for him to carry out his activities of daily living and how much harder it is now since the bike corral. The race issue comes in when little zelda petitioned there customer base leaving out a big segment of the populus for an item that would impact the community which includes a large racially diverse community. On thing I thank u for is educating the public on the lack of disabled spots for people like my husband dot's motto is bikes before the sick and elderly!

  • Whynot, I agree with all of what you've said, I don't think it matters. But I've noticed, as I'm sure others have, that Chloe makes sweeping generalizations which have made his posts both irritating and entertaining at the same time. In any case, despite my hue, I am glad that the corral is in place and will continue to be there having twice been approved.

  • their* not his

  • Epic if u really think this is over I have a bridge to sell u.

  • Epic-

    Yes, I think Chloe does herself and her cause a disservice by focusing on race.

    I think if she carefully thought thru the issues, she would realize that most petitions are biased in favor of something (race, religion, hue, disability status, income, etc), and the onus is on the CB to ensure that they carefully consider such requests.

    So far, the advocates for the disabled have only been able to achieve the successes I quote above. Some advocates argue that these policies are more generous than communities outside of NYC, because they allow more spots for persons with disabilities, closer to where they want to shop THAN a system in which spot reserved for persons with disabilities was designated.

  • Epic if my post are so irritating don't read them. And as usual would u make that statement in front of me and my husband I really really doubt it quick fingers u never know I may just know who u are its a small world

  • Chloe-

    Have you thought about engaging the various agencies which represent persons with disabilities in NYC to help you have the DOT grant reserved on streets spots to persons with mobility conditions?

    This agency likely has an opinion of whether what you are suggesting is feasible in the present political and fiscal climate: http://www.bcid.org/

  • I can see why not your uncomfortable with the issues of race and your blogg does not have a large black clientele .

  • While this message board is open to everyone with free time and a internet connected computer, I suspect you are right: The members of this blog do not proportionately represent NYC on ANY strata; It seems to be especially popular among some groups more than others.

    In my opinion, no one on this board is able to speak for anyone but themselves.

    P.S. United Spinal represents persons with mobility conditions; they also lobby DOT and other entities for greater access to public facilities. http://www.unitedspinal.org/

    ...they are quite good at suing MTA to force them to make more of their stations ADA compliant.

  • The current political structure is pro bicycles not pro disabilities please remember that the cabs are still ate not fully wheelchair accessible

  • Correct!

    While the T&LC has allegedly required companies to provide transportation PWDs who use wheelchairs, it has (in my opinion) done very little to actually enforce the regulations.

    Hence, the regulations seem to "exist only on paper", not in the real world. Here's a summary of the regs:

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/passenger/wheelchair_access.shtml

    Here's the folks lobbying to get the regs actually implemented:

    http://www.taxisforall.com/

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