Police activity Nostrand and Park Place 3/28/2013

Yeah, my understanding is that the owner doesn't have a liquor license so he books primarily teen parties. The kids purchase alcohol in the neighborhood or bring it from home so many come in drunk or high already.

I knew last night was going to be trouble because when I got home at 7pm there was a line from the front door to the corner of Park Place that was 4 to 5 kids deep. I estimated a couple of hundred kids waiting outside. Since those parties tend to go until 10pm there was no way the place wasn't going to be at capacity.

One of my SO's co-worker's has a son who went to a party there for his 16th birthday. He was drinking, got into a fight and was beaten until unconscious and left in the street. That place is bad news.

Photos and videos from the web for illustrative purposes:

Logo:

Video by customer:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIOnFDuB7x4

Web search results:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=the+palace+nostrand&oq=the+palace+nostrand&gs_l=hp.3..0l2j0i22i30l2.1203.6500.0.7281.19.14.0.5.5.0.235.1705.3j10j1.14.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.HRCf2gHIOSU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.dmQ&fp=e90a1558987db8c4&biw=1366&bih=571

Google Image results:

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I am on my phone, so I don't have time to look up whether they have a alc lic at the moment, but here is how YOU can find out and then share the answer with all of us:

Go here: http://lamp.sla.ny.gov/nysla/index.htm

Zoom in on address.

Tell it to layer (show icons)

Enjoy!

He was ejected from the club after the fight started, and it continued out it the street. He doesn't remember anything so his mom got the story from his "friends" who were with him.

Every 3-4 months they have a blow-up, but fortunately it seems that most fights are limited to fisticuffs and haven't involved too many guns or knives. I think this is one of the reasons it hasn't gotten a ton of Police interest. My favorite was a couple of years back when the NYPD had skywatch on the corner and some guys ended up fighting UNDER the tower. Over the last couple of years they seem to be focusing on younger crowds including the LGBT teen community.

Between this place and Secrets it makes for some interesting Sunday mornings on the Avenue.

No idea. But, my experience is that places that cater to kids tend to charge $4-5 bucks for soda or a couple of dollars for water. That could easily make up for the lost alcohol sales.

713 Nostrand

Cafe 400 ---> The Palace

I couldn't find a current listing for the property, but was able to get some data from the last time it was listed. Combined, the two stories have about 13,000 sq ft. ...since we are just talking about the second floor, we are talking 6500 sq ft.

old listing: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17425948/713-723-Nostrand-Avenue-Brooklyn-NY/

The Palace has an alcohol lic that is valid until Feb 2015.

http://www.trans.abc.state.ny.us/servlet/ApplicationServlet?pageName=com.ibm.nysla.data.publicquery.PublicQuerySuccessfulResultsPage&validated=true&serialNumber=1245449&licenseType=CR

I assume they did not serve alcohol on their teen nights.

And, last but not least, here is a promotional video for The Palace:

(note the video contains language Not Safe for Work)

Having been inside when it originally opened as Cafe 400, I can tell you that the place is perfect for a sports bar. Other uses that could work would be dance studio, yoga studio, small gym, or any other business that would utilize an open floor plan. I could even see small live music/spoken word/entertainment venue. Whatever it becomes, I hope the days of teens fighting in the streets are behind it. That place deserves so much more.

Noticed a For Sale sign on the building as well

Nevermind!

As of Oct 15, this listing was last updated 12 days ago.

loopnet wrote: Shaun Riney and Matt Fotis of Marcus & Millichap are pleased to offer 713 Nostrand Avenue, located on the corner of Sterling Place in the North Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, NY. The subject property is a 2-story commercial building that consists of 7 ground floor retail units, approximately 4,000 square feet of second floor space and approximately 3,800 square feet of usable cellar space with approximately 10-12 foot ceiling heights. The property is built full and sits on a 100 ft x 43.5 ft lot with approximately 12,413 gross square feet. The property is zoned C4-3 allowing for approximately 6,090 square feet of available air rights which can be used for both residential and commercial use. (Block: 1241, Lot: 79).

Currently the property' s certificate of occupancy indicates use for stores on the ground floor and eating/drinking place without restrictions that can accommodate up to 680 people on the second floor and cellar. Recently a sprinkler system was installed for the second floor and cellar space.

This property offers investors the rare opportunity to purchase a large mixed use tax payer with 100 feet of frontage on Nostrand Avenue, available air rights and the ability to convert a portion of the square footage to residential use in the North Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18371026/713-Nostrand-Avenue-Brooklyn-NY/?MPID=HsI6NII2Q&SRID=&tab=Sale-Lease&PgCxtGuid=2e3e8132-4a52-4864-8c08-8a472ebf829e&PgCxtFLKey=&PgCxtCurFLKey=PropertyRecord&PgCxtDir=Down

They'd like $4.5M for the site.

713 - 723 Nostrand

Thats 100 feet frontage so its more like 4 lots, as far as stores are concerned. Oh excuse me 7 commercial spaces - plus the 2nd floor. not bad.

Here's a Brownstoner link to when it was BOTD. It was originally bowling and billiards. I would not oppose if that's they wanted it to return to.

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/07/building-of-the-day-713-nostrand-avenue/

I suspect that the area could now support an upscale vegetable/prepared foods market; said entity could use the entire first floor and the cellar. Something like Union Market, but not quite that upscale/pricey.

The second floor could be a use like Homeowner describes.

Nix on the drugstore. Gee how much product do you use? The are huge drug stores on St. Johns, Restoration Plaza, and Fulton and Nostrand. Do we need one on Every Corner? Nostrand needs Something interesting and foodie before we get all chain store like and completely kill any chance of having anything good.