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Trouble for Washington Commons? 434 Washington Ave — Brooklynian

Trouble for Washington Commons? 434 Washington Ave

whynot_31
whynot_31
edited November -1 in Prospect Heights



Photo: Timeout NY

It seems that when the bar opened several years ago, the application promised food would be served and that no mention of outdoor space was made.

However, no food is served and outdoor space is used.

Neighbors and the people at CB8 are not pleased, and have complained to the Liquor Authority.

Here's the kicker:

Washington Common's lic expires on Sunday, March 31, 2013, and so far there is no word from the liquor authority as to what they plan to do.

...they could have to temporarily close while this is resolved.

Or, they could receive word that their lic has been granted despite the concerns of CB8 and the neighbors.

We shall know soon....

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Comments

  • ehgee
    ehgee

    I really like that bar. The outdoor space is loud, but not rowdy; nevertheless I certainly wouldn't want to live upstairs or next door.

  • mg
    mg

    They were indeed closed "temporarily" as of last night.

  • ribbons
    ribbons

    They are closed until 4/12. Saw a sign on the gate this am on my way to work.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    I suspect that they will re-open, but am not sure they will be able to continue to use their backyard.

  • arches
    arches

    http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130402/prospect-heights/liquor-license-flap-nearly-shutters-popular-beer-garden-washington-commons

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Thanks Arches!

    DNA wrote: If upheld by the State Liquor Authority, the compromise renewal plan approved by CB8's board late Monday would force the bar to tear out seats in its pretty and profitable beer garden, and shut down outdoor service by 11 p.m., at least two hours earlier than at comparable local establishments.

    http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130402/prospect-heights/liquor-license-flap-nearly-shutters-popular-beer-garden-washington-commons#ixzz2PJowgcwX

    So, it is now time for predictions!

    At the request of CB8, will the SLA force Washington Commons to abide by the terms outlined above?

    Or, will the SLA come up with its own version of a plan?

    So far, the SLA has taken CB8 concerns into account to the degree that it has forced the establishment to close temporarily; it didn't mail them the new permit merely as a result of receiving a check.

  • xlizellx
    xlizellx

    Nooooooo!!!

    I came here just to find out if this rumor is true

    This is my favorite bar in all of NYC. It better reopen....

  • ribbons
    ribbons

    Per the sign this am they are reopening today.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    I volunteer to stop by tonight and see if their backyard is open.

    If it is open, I will drink two beers in the name of research.

    ....the things I do for you people! You should appreciate them!

  • xlizellx
    xlizellx

    Facebook says they're open.

    If we didn't have a Nets game we'd be there too.......for research

  • newguy88
    newguy88

    Has anyone actually seen weed smoking going on there? Cause I haven't. Nor have I heard about anyone hurling beer bottles but then again it's a bar.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    I am pleased to report that Washington Commons, complete with outdoor garden is open once again!

  • eastbloc
    eastbloc

    Weed smoking outdoors in Crown Heights? Hide the children!

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    The SLA site indicates that a full lic was issued on April 8, 2013. It is valid until March 31, 2015.

    Lic 1219206

    Cert 822007

    No discipinary history is reported.

    http://lamp.sla.ny.gov/nysla/index.htm

    So, it appears that Washington Commons is able to resume business as usual.

    Is anyone aware of Washington Commons having to close early?

  • mr. met
    mr. met

    the entire neighborhood smelled like weed last night

  • mr. met
    mr. met

    Prospect Heights Community Board Wants Bars To Close At MIDNIGHT http://gothamist.com/2013/04/10/prospect_heights_community_board_wa.php …

    (from twitter)

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    This is one of the reasons that CBs are merely advisory, and entities like the SLA (Dept of City Planning, etc) have the ultimate power.

    Even if the SLA chooses to listen to the CB, this tactic will essentially $erve the owners of the current bars (who already have 4 AM lics), and discourage new entrants.

    ...By selecting Washington Ave and Vanderbilt as "over saturated", it may also encourage potential bars to locate on Nostrand and Kingston.

    Note: They could obviously choose to not locate in CB8 all together, but I am being CB8 focused on purpose.

  • homeowner
    homeowner

    mr. met said:

    the entire neighborhood smelled like weed last night

    I KNOW! What was up with that? I walked outside to go the the store and almost fell over the smell was so strong.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Tonight's CB8 mtg filled in some of the missing pieces.

    While readers have may have been led to conclude that Washington Commons briefly had to close while the SLA considered the complaints of the neighbors, that it is not at all true.

    Basically the people who run the establishment let the lic expire, and then renewed it. Seems like an oversight. That's it. End of story. The SLA has approved use of its outdoor space until 4 a.m.

    The neighbors and the CB HOPED that the delay was in response to their concerns, but that wasn't the reason.

    THe reason seems to be that the owners simply didn't send in the application and fee on time.

    The concerns of the neighbors weren't taken into account, and the SLA renewed the application despite the request of the CB to wait.

    The bar owners are presently in mediation with the block association. If this mediation doesn't go well, the block association can ask the SLA for help, but they will be going against a lic that has just been renewed "without prior disciplinary action" until 4 AM.

    Note: I believe the bar already voluntarily closes the back area prior to 4 AM. Midnight, I think.

  • newguy88
    newguy88

    whynot_31 said:

    Tonight's CB8 mtg filled in some of the missing pieces.

    While readers have may have been led to conclude that .

    Note: I believe the bar already voluntarily closes the back area prior to 4 AM. Midnight, I think.

    A lot of bars do this. I was at one bar in Manhattan that shut down the back patio at 10! We were none to pleased about it. But hey at least some bars try.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    I am beginning to conclude the owners of Washington Commons aren't real bright.

    Who lets their LIC expire by accident, and risks having to reapply from scratch?

  • xlizellx
    xlizellx

    whynot_31 said:

    I am beginning to conclude the owners of Washington Commons aren't real bright.

    Who lets their LIC expire by accident, and risks having to reapply from scratch?

    Yeah...and they own other places too. Am I correct in them also owning 4th Street Pub and Fulton/Grand? Or am I mixing people up...

  • joshb
    joshb

    Yup, they also own 4th Avenue Pub, Fulton Grand, Third Avenue Ale House in Manhattan, plus the Graham in Williamsburg.

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