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Live in Crown Heights North? You've probably been landmarked — Brooklynian

Live in Crown Heights North? You've probably been landmarked

Update: Meeting is seems to be actually April 17, 2013. Flyer has correct day of the week, but wrong day of the month.

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  • Not necessarily a good thing.

  • No, it isn't.

    There is also frequently lots of confusion about what it means.

  • Exactly, I have a client who had wood framed windows on her brownstone and when she replaced them with aluminum the landmarks commission fined her $5000.

  • This article seems to describe the debate between LPC and REBNY well:

    http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/06/07/real_estate_bigs_ready_wrecking_ball_for_landmarks_laws.php

    The comments are good too.

  • It appears that LPC fails to realize that just because a building is old it doesn't become worthy of preservation. My office used to be on Kingston Ave. in a building that was built before there was electricity and it certainly doesn't deserve landmark status but if it was on a different block it might have been caught up in that nonsense.

  • Some people in Western CH seem to want it because they think it will give them more control over the neighborhood.

    http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/topic/town-hall-meeting-2-april-16-2013

    They certainly don't speak for everyone.

    a. Not everyone wants such control.

    b. Not everyone wants the obligations that come with such control.

    c. Some people would rather that no one be in control.

  • Lest we get into a newcomers vs. old-timers discussion or a west coast vs. east coast neighborhood beef, we should be clear that CHNA has been pursuing landmarking of the neighborhood for over 10 years. After approaching LPC initially, there was a determination that the process would be broken down into several phases. I don't remember when Phase 1 was approved, but Phase 2 happened in 2011 and Phase 3 last year.

    It's been a long-time coming, but people that owned in the neighborhood felt strongly that they wanted to preclude out of context building being stuck in the middle of otherwise pristine brownstone blocks or, the local free-standing homes being purchased, leveled and replaced with large towers.

    Thiswas the discussion about the landmark hearing. For the small segment of people who felt strongly enough about it to show up at all, it seems the vast majority supported landmarking.

  • Yes, a neighborhood basically needs a "super majority" in favor to get it implemented, and the process is slow, and filled with outreach and education sessions such as these.

    The object is to prevent $5000 fines.

  • By the way, the flyer is incorrect. Either it's Wednesday, April 17th, or Thursday, April 18th. A clarification is needed.

  • hmmmm.

    Their facebook is not helpful at resolving the problem either

    https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Crown-Heights-North-Association/256446707716378?fref=ts

    You should email or call them

  • Their fb account posted to the walls of a couple of candidates, inviting them to speak at the meeting (which I just happened to see in that scrolling bar to the right of my news feed). Those posts said the 17th.

  • Makes sense to me. I've corrected what I can above.

    I just cut and pasted the flyer from CHNA....

  • Is there any other landmarking being considered other than the proposed 3rd district east of Nostrand?

  • Yes. Lots of the blocks around Franklin are being proposed.

    Note, the process often takes years to implement. The rezoning will happen long before any landmarking.

    IMO, ReZoning IS going to happen within 6 months.

    IMO, landmarking MIGHT not happen. If it happens, it would be years away.

  • Which blocks? Is there a plan?

  • yup. Here are the blocks they are requesting:

    http://crowhillcommunity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/CHCA_LPC_Proposal_2012PartA.pdf

    http://crowhillcommunity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/CHCAProposedBuildingsPartB.pdf

    Note, if (as time progresses) it looks like there is going to be a historic district approved, the trick is to do any renovations and building beforehand.

  • Ha! Nice to see that our part of Sterling is not worthy.

  • Eastbloc-

    Some people feel that once blocks are landmarked, even the side walk and street scape is "protected" from change:

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/04/22/speak-up-if-you-think-bike-share-belongs-in-fort-greene-and-clinton-hill/

  • Not some people. When I got my notice of landmarks designation, it included the current makeup of the sidewalk and curb in front of my home and indicated that any work there would need to be redone in the same or similar materials. My sidewalk is concrete, but the curb is bluestone meaning, if I ever have anything done, I'm demanding my contractor take that curb out intact and reuse it.

  • Yes, this sets up a classic battle. On one side is "DOT and the Bikshare supporters", on the other is "LPC and the people who own the houses"

    ...the battle plays on the NYC weirdness that states that the city owns the sidewalk in front of a given house, yet the property owner is charged with maintaining it.

  • Actually, the LPC has no problem with bikeshare, and has fully cleared the program. It's just some cranks who are probably angry about parking spaces.

  • Yup. ...it seems like I was reading quotes from people who weren't actually employees of the LPC, they just wanted to speak on the LPC's behalf. The Post reports the LPC approved the stations:

    A Landmarks Preservation Commission spokeswoman said “we approved the plan for the installation of bike share stations in historic districts throughout the city because they have no effect on the historic fabric of those neighborhoods.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/historic_bk_fights_against_new_bike_R54ymn051TBS3C7zAvAfvM

  • All of which brings us back to "what does landmarking mean? What impact does it have?"

    because I didn't try to address these questions on existential basis, I found this article helpful:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/realestate/high-mileage-alterations.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&;

    As well as this discussion of it:

    http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/06/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-landmarking/#disqus_thread

  • CROWN HEIGHTS NORTH ASSOCIATION

    PRESS RELEASE

    August 19, 2013

    NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION PROJECT 2013

    The National Trust for Historic Preservation was founded in 1949 by Congressional charter to “provide leadership, education and advocacy to save America's diverse historic places and revitalize our communities." Working with their preservation partners in the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO), the Trust seeks to work with grassroots community organizations to identify and preserve our architectural and cultural treasures. It is a high honor and privilege to be chosen to be on the National Register, and upon being chosen, Crown Heights North will join a select group which includes some of our nation’s best and most precious architectural treasures.

    The Crown Heights North Association, Inc. (CHNA) has been funded to survey and nominate the Crown Heights North Historic Districts I & II for inclusion in the State and National Registers of Historic Places. Inclusion in the State and National Registers is a distinct honor which entitles property owners to notice of Federal and State programs planned for the area. Further, such distinction generally allows owners of contributing buildings in historic districts to apply for 20% tax credits on both the Federal and State levels for substantial rehabilitation work on their properties, where the scope of work is pre-approved by the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO). This can be a total of a 40% tax credit.

    This effort has been mounted with the unwavering encouragement and financial support of our City Councilmembers Al Vann and Letitia James.

    The project work is also being funded in part through matching grants from the Preserve New York Grant Program of the Preservation League of New York State (which is made possible by the New York State Council on the Arts with the support of Governor Andrew Cuomo and the New York State Legislature), and the Robert A. and Elizabeth R. Jeffe New York City Preservation Fund of the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

    Fourteen grants in 11 counties totaling $83,674 were made by the Preserve New York Grant Program in 2012. The Preserve New York Grant Program supports outstanding local preservation projects throughout the State. Since 1993, New York has awarded over $1.7 million in direct support to 279 projects.

    CHNA was selected to receive the National Trust Jeffe Fund grant with the vocal support of Congresswoman Yvette Clarke, Assemblyman Karim Camara, Borough President Marty Markowitz, CB 8 Chairwoman Nizjoni Granville, the Historic Districts Council, and the New York Landmarks Conservancy.

    The survey and nomination preparation is underway by Gregory Dietrich Preservation Consulting. Those property owners planning substantial rehabilitation should review the program details availabe on the SHPO website at http://nysparks.com/shpo/tax-credit-programs/ and should also periodically check the CHNA and CB 8 websites as well as the CB 8 newsletter and the newsletters of our elected representatives for the dates this Fall when SHPO representative Daniel McEneny will make presentations on the State and National Registers and how to apply for the tax credits.

    These kind of awards are not given out to neighborhoods that are casual about protecting their appearance....

  • whynot_31
    edited March 2014
    On a citywide basis, the debate goes on: http://m.ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/12/30/debate_on_the_merits_of_landmarking_rages_on.php

    The answer depends on your situation..
  • whynot_31
    edited March 2014
    The borough presidents don't seem to be in favor of Landmarking to the degree that it is presently occurring. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140128/BLOGS04/140129876/borough-presidents-lay-out-development-plans
  • whynot_31
    edited March 2014
    Needless to say, those who make their money from building and selling new properties are opposed to landmarking. Sometimes they couch their opposition under the guise of affordable housing, which some people actually fall for....

    http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/03/06/the-rent-is-too-damn-high-because-the-laws-are-too-damn-stupid/

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