A beer garden for Franklin SOUTH of EP

Although the times have changed, the area once brewed a lot of beer. Article in Brownstoner about local defunct breweries:

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/07/walkabout-crown-heights-consumers-park-brewery/?stream=true

When I last saw Tony, he stated the idea/project is on indefinite hold.

Yes.

We should also keep in mind that running a bar/beer garden is a full time job. He should not open it until he has all of the pieces (including security) in place.

Recent incident at Franklin Park:

patch wrote: Thief Maces Bar Bouncer While Stealing Bags

A 36-year-old man was charged with trying to steal two bags from Franklin Park and then spraying mace at the bouncer who stopped him.

The man grabbed the bags at about 12:15 a.m. on June 27 at the bar, at 618 St. Johns Place at Franklin Avenue. When the bouncer stopped him the man threatened to spray him with mace if he called 911. It’s not clear what the bouncer did next, but the thief then threatened to kill the bouncer and sprayed the mace. In the bags were $9,480 worth of goods including a MacBook Air laptop and cash, according to a police report.

http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/police-blotter-thief-maces-bar-bouncer-and-shots-fired-into-st-johns-place-door

Pulpandbean-

I like the Divide and Conquer approach. Good luck!

whynot_31 said:

Yes, everything does change.

....but I'm not sure it will change fast enough or to the degree that it will support an upscale Bob and Betty's II, ala 2011+. Or, even a beer garden like Franklin Park, ala 2008+.

If I were Tony, I'd keep my fancy cheeses and organic veggies on the Northside of EP, and consider a tenant for Pioneer ....such as a drug store.

Instead of a beer garden that tries to compete with the established Franklin Park, I'd think about something lower key, and more likely to be supported (at least in part) by the residents of Ebbets Field.

Perhaps a self serve, by the pound restaurant (like those in midtown that cater to office workers seeking lunch), but catering to people too busy to cook and too broke for table service.

We all seem to agree that there is unmet demand south of EP, and -thus- good money to be made. I'm just a little more cautious about which demographics it is going to made from, and unwilling to lose money while I wait for a demographic that I perceive as still too small.

To put it a different way, I believe supply should arrive at almost the exact time as demand, and don't want Tony to lose money by over estimating the area's 3 yr potential. If the area becomes wealthier than my predictions, he can adapt again.....

While the part of the building with street frontage has been partitioned into strore fronts, much of the building will remain unused for the indefinate future.

I'm sure it will be used to store things, but that doesn't really count in my mind....

rentals are renting

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/rental/1031577-1103-carroll-street-crown-heights-brooklyn

I suspect it is doing well.