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Atlantic Yards: beginning of the end/end of the beginning — Brooklynian

Atlantic Yards: beginning of the end/end of the beginning

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  • armchair_warrior
    armchair_warrior
    i hope something gets build empty lot as it is sucks. i hate how they can take private property and give it to another private entity.
  • jack krohn
    jack krohn
    This is the best news I've heard all day. Now we can finally be rid of that jackass Daniel Goldstein. Let the construction begin!

    Please, spare me the "what would you do if it happened to your home" crap. If it were me, I would have sold to Ratner for double the value of my home years ago.
  • threecee
    threecee
    well, Mr. Krohn, although I do understand those who agree with your opinion, sometimes it's really not about the money.
  • lo kee
    lo kee
    YES!
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I'm betting the economy will make the overall project smaller, but am ok with the area basically becoming an extension of downtown.

    ...years of construction in our future.
  • catwalkertexasranger
    catwalkertexasranger
    If the Net's fan base continues at it's current rate the extra traffic won't even be noticeable. Van Wyck and BQE feeds from Atlantic and Flatbush should also deter lots o people from wanting to drive to the games.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    It's not just about the Nets.

    We should also realize our area has huge potential to support:
    Circuses
    Gospel Chorus Preachathons
    Sesame St on Ice
    Cheeseball Motivation Speakers (aspiring cult leaders)
    Antiques Roadhouse
    etc.
  • izisharp
    izisharp
    Even as a NBA fanatic and a Nets fan the prospect of this development proceeding is absolutely appalling. When you hear the supporters listing the prospective benefits of the plan, they may as well be describing every other proposed development, all of which offered more money to the city for the land and would not have been subsidized by hundreds of millions of dollars, and which would have promoted more local businesses, more affordable housing, and a more suitable, organic scale of development for the neighborhood. AY has been a scam from the get-go. And blight my ass -- all surrounding areas, whether 5th Avenue, Vanderbilt Ave, or Fulton Street, have thrived since the plan was announced in '05. Lastly... Happy Thanksgiving! I'm thankful for DDDB, D Goldstein, Letisha James, Hakeem Jeffries, and the others who continue the fight.
  • artman
    artman
    At the turn of the last century the circus started to parade up Vanderbilt Ave. from the railroad for performances in Prospect Park and look what happened. No end to the resulting blight.
  • kaufmanr
    kaufmanr
    While this is definitely a setback, hopefully it won't be the end of the fight. If not, we can expect construction for years to come, traffic nightmares (as if current traffic on Ftatbush, Atlantic, Pacific Aves, etc. weren't already putting us over the edge), EVEN more crowded subways, and eventually the additional blight of yet more fast food joints. All for what? Nothing more than to give away the store and line Ratner's pockets. If this goes ahead, it should be on a smaller scale, include low and moderate cost housing along with all the requisite infrastructure (too much of which seem to be lacking in the current plan), including changes to traffic patterns that improve traffic (and don't ADD to it), benefit the surrounding neighborhoods and at no cost to taxpayers. Currently, the plan still looks like all the costs are to "us" and only Ratner reaps any benefits. Still not sure how our (both former and present) elected officials let this happen. Let the fight continue.

    Happy Thanksgiving.
  • rogersma
    rogersma
    Well put, kaufmanr. There is already a far better plan for the railyards much as you describe it: http://www.unityplan.org/

    And indeed the fight continues. Another lawsuit will be added shortly to those already pending. And the most useful thing anyone can do now is contribute to support the legal costs at:
    http://dddb.net/php/donate.php
  • armchair_warrior
    armchair_warrior
    any housing built should be high density, low density is not good for the environment. plus with the trains so close to that project, it would be criminal to build low density buildings, just for that suburban look, if people want low density move out to the suburbs!
  • karl the druid
    karl the druid
    movin' on up

    image
  • idlewild
    idlewild
    armchair_warrior wrote: any housing built should be high density, low density is not good for the environment. plus with the trains so close to that project, it would be criminal to build low density buildings, just for that suburban look, if people want low density move out to the suburbs!
    I'm kind of curious that with all these pending budget cuts as well as a bad economy, how is all the extra city services, such schools, police, sewage, NYFD and so on going to be supported for all the high density, or low density for that matter?
  • karl the druid
    karl the druid
    Idlewild wrote: ...how is all the extra city services, such schools, police, sewage, NYFD and so on going to be supported for all the high density, or low density for that matter?
    through the fcr magic of green engineering and recycling of course

    1. the arena will be made from a large foreman grill, and heated with your tax dollars

    2. a.y. children will go to private school,
    uniforms are recycled from miles of tyveck

    3. police will be private, mostly re-hired from the construction crew,
    or imported from russia

    4. managed sewage will be used as fuel for the fcr publicity machine,
    or to extinguish those embarrassing pr fires

    when you think of of eco-living, think of the echo of construction that will grind 7 days a week for at least 12 years

    hello new down town
  • armchair_warrior
    armchair_warrior
    Idlewild wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]any housing built should be high density, low density is not good for the environment. plus with the trains so close to that project, it would be criminal to build low density buildings, just for that suburban look, if people want low density move out to the suburbs!
    I'm kind of curious that with all these pending budget cuts as well as a bad economy, how is all the extra city services, such schools, police, sewage, NYFD and so on going to be supported for all the high density, or low density for that matter?

    bigger tax base in a small compact area, instead of larger area with fewer people.
  • karl the druid
    karl the druid
    armchair_warrior wrote: bigger tax base in a small compact area, instead of larger area with fewer people.
    image
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    Phase I was supposed to be completed in 12 years, they now have 19 years to complete it.

    http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2010/12/timetable_for_p.php#comments

  • karl the druid
    karl the druid

    esdc has possession of a stargate?

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    I believe the due date will take the form of a carrot, tied to a stick, and held by the rider of a horse.

    Ratner has volunteered to hold the stick.


  • karl the druid
    karl the druid

    according to your diagram

    marty is behind all this

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    is he underneath the tail, with Bertha?

  • bill c
    bill c

    forget it, jake, it's chinatown.

    http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2010/12/as-fcr-pitches-chinese-investors.html

  • karl the druid
    karl the druid

    karl wants to see bertha lewis imax

    so many holes to explore

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    The elephants have already RSVP'd.

    http://gothamist.com/2010/12/11/elephants_will_walk_down_flatbush_a.php

  • karl the druid
    karl the druid

    a bertha lewis job opportunity

    how very good that is

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    And then, in a brilliant move, FCR sold the properties. ...perhaps making them more valuable because the new developer won't be "as bound" to obligations to hire locally and and build affordable housing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/nyregion/to-enhance-atlantic-yards-plan-is-to-sell-a-big-part-of-it.html?ref=nyregion&_r=0

    This story keeps on giving.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    A new firm has been hired to construct the buildings. The country of China seems to have an ownership stake.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-11/forest-city-sells-atlantic-yards-stake-to-speed-building.html

    I'm not a nationalist, and hence am OK with them choosing whomever they believe can get this done quickly and cheaply.

    Enjoy the show.

  • rogersma
    rogersma

    Well, at least we can be comforted that the new developers have the same standards for individual and community rights, and environmental sensitivity, as did the FCR organization.

  • bricktop
    bricktop

    lol ](*,)

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