Clinton Hill in the Post-wow we're all over this week
Subject: Clinton Hill in the Post-wow we're all over this week
its interesting to read other people's perception of your nabe..i always felt CH was sooo much chicer than FG.. :oops:August 10, 2006 -- On the brownstone Brooklyn stakes, Park Slope is undoubtedly the odds-on favorite, with Fort Greene running a close second. But Clinton Hill, once considered a dark horse, has been gaining ground.
While it doesn't quite have the cachet of Fort Greene, up-and-coming Clinton Hill does offer bargains that its more gentrified neighbor hasn't seen in years.
For those willing to forgo period detail, there are the Clinton Hill Cooperative Apartments, 12 postwar buildings with about 1,200 units. They're more affordable than much of the rest of the brownstone neighborhood because of their modern, brick-box design.
The complex was built during World War II for workers in the Brooklyn Navy Yards and sailors shipping out to Europe. After the war ended, the Navy Yard was shut down and the apartments became federal low-income housing. Their condition worsened, and the area's safety deteriorated.
In the 1980s, the apartments went private. Tenants got the first opportunity to buy their apartments, and at that time, units traded for around $10,000 to $15,000. That's when things started looking up in the area.
Chris Thomas, executive vice president and managing director of sales in Brooklyn for Brown Harris Stevens, remembers that time - he's been living in Clinton Hill for 22 years.
"The Clinton Hill Apartments really changed the overall character of the neighborhood. Not that the population of the buildings changed dramatically, but the people who bought took more pride of ownership. Over the last 20 years, those apartments [have become] better managed - they even have their own on-site security services. It's changed the safety factor and the comfort level of the neighborhood."
BARGAIN HUNTING
Many units for sale in the complex are priced below market. A two-bedroom at 365 Clinton Ave. offers 1,000 square feet for its $385,000 price tag. Compare that with a 900-square-foot two-bedroom in the more historic part of Clinton Hill, at 320 Washington Ave., currently in contract for $749,000, according to Brown Harris Stevens. That works out to approximately $830 per square foot, a far cry from the Clinton Avenue unit's $385 per square foot.
Judith Lief of Warren Lewis Realty, who has the Clinton Avenue listing, notes that the buildings have not completely converted to co-ops and still have some renters, which might be one reason the units are more affordable.
Other Clinton Hill Apartments recently for sale include a one-bedroom apartment at 325 Clinton Ave. for $355,000. Another one-bedroom unit, at 345 Clinton Ave., is in contract for $339,000.
It's not just aesthetics that are keeping prices of these modern apartments low - there's also a supply-and-demand issue. Of the 27 co-ops currently listed for sale on the landmark blocks of Clinton Avenue (between Myrtle and Gates), 14 are in the Clinton Hill Apartments. Six more "non-historic" units are available in a postwar building across from the complex - they are of a similar character with comparable prices.
Negar and Christopher Hills, who are selling their one-bedroom in the complex at 165 Clinton Ave. for $336,000, have had a fair number of buyers express interest in their apartment since putting it on the market a month ago.
"The co-ops are great, with families of many generations and neighbors who look out for each other," says Negar, who is looking for a larger place because she and her husband want to have a child soon.
Antoinette Tisa and her husband, Andrew Sonpon, opted to stay in their 800-square-foot one-bedroom after the birth of their daughter, Isabella, now 20 months old. (There's a small extra room that is just right for a nursery.) They bought their unit in the Clinton Hill Apartments in 2000 for just $87,000. (Today, their apartment is valued at $350,000.)
Tisa has seen many changes in Clinton Hill over the past six years, but the most pleasant surprise is finding out that the area is kid-friendly.
"There's a playground next to our building, and Fort Greene Park and BAM up the street, which is great because they always have kids' events," says Tisa.
She also appreciates Clinton Hill's "mix of people," who make the area "fresh and diverse."
Emiliano Casarosa feels the same way. An eight-year Clinton Hill resident, Casarosa snagged a four-story brownstone on Washington Avenue between Fulton Street and Atlantic Avenue for $895,000 three years ago. He is now renovating the circa-1890 building, which was appraised for $1.2 million six months ago.
Casarosa, who enjoys the neighborhood's hip, artistic community - Pratt Institute, the art and design school, is in the area - is creating a rental apartment on the garden level, making a studio for his hairstyling business on the parlor floor and leaving the top two floors as living space to share with his wife, Jaehee Park, and their 3-year-old son, Gael.
He lucked out in finding a residential space that would allow him to run his business out of his home (most brownstones are zoned as purely residential). However, his block of Washington Avenue is just outside the area's historic district. And like all of Clinton Hill, there's no express subway service nearby - the area is served by the C and G lines.
FULL-ON FULTON
At the moment, the spread of gentrification has not yet made it to Casarosa's block, but he thinks it is inevitable.
"I'm betting on Fulton Avenue coming up," he says. "All those people who are buying $1 million brownstones will want nice restaurants, boutiques, a good butcher, cheese shop, all of that. It's bound to spread."
Although the stretch of retail shops that would cater to middle-class property owners stops a few blocks away at Greene Avenue, Brown Harris Stevens' Thomas thinks Casarosa made a good call.
"Five years ago it was five miles away from him, now it's more like one mile, so it's definitely moving in his direction," he says.
Thomas adds that the commercial area that starts around Vanderbilt and heads toward Casarosa's new home was once extremely run-down, but is looking up. A dilapidated bodega recently was replaced by a Subway sandwich shop.
"It's not a boutique, but a national franchise organization is there," Thomas says. "When they set up a new location, they carefully research the demographics. [Casarosa] is definitely right; that's the direction we're headed in."
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The sooner we get a butcher and a baker the better! That's my only major complaint about our beautiful neighborhood.
There's no question in my mind that the gentrification of Ft. Greene will be sure to pass through Clinton Hill within the next 2-3 years.
For better or worse.
(I think it's largely better)
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Subject: and
the candlestick maker :oops:
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I have been in the nabe for about 20 years. Was finally able to purchase in Clinton Hill Coops in 1999. I have always been confused: Where does Ft Green end and Clinton Hill begin?
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Mochanet wrote: I have been in the nabe for about 20 years. Was finally able to purchase in Clinton Hill Coops in 1999. I have always been confused: Where does Ft Green end and Clinton Hill begin?
I think Vanderbilt is the dividing line... -
Yeah, Vanderbilt's about right.
Interestingly, when I was a kid (70's & 80's), real estate agents used to advertise houses in the "Clinton Hill section of Fort Greene", emphasizing CH b/c it did indeed have more cachet. FG was seen as more of the ghetto nabe, with CH the nabe of grand old houses and beautiful streets. I think the better train access ultimately proved to be the edge for FG, though, and therefore it took the lead in the gentrification wave. -
That's interesting regarding the old marketing...
Clinton Hill runs from Vanderbilt (though I really think of Vandebilt as Fort Greene, unless you divide it down the middle of the street :? ) to Classon going west to east, and from Park to Atlantic going north to south, so not a very big neighborhood really. -
Thanks all for clearing up my confusion
I love what is going on in the nabe now. However, I am not happy about the increased dog population and their irresponsible owners. :x I do love dogs I wish I had the time to have one. Has anyone else noticed more poop on the sidewalks and people walking the dogs willy nilly(really slack leashes) without regard for people walking past them. I walk down Willoughby towards the park in the morning and the majority of the dog walkers act like the sidewalk is theirs. No sidewalk etiquette at all. Some will even congregate on the corners with the dogs so the only way you can pass is to walk around in the street. -
escap wrote: Yeah, Vanderbilt's about right.
Interestingly, when I was a kid (70's & 80's), real estate agents used to advertise houses in the "Clinton Hill section of Fort Greene", emphasizing CH b/c it did indeed have more cachet. FG was seen as more of the ghetto nabe, with CH the nabe of grand old houses and beautiful streets. I think the better train access ultimately proved to be the edge for FG, though, and therefore it took the lead in the gentrification wave.
yeah..I'm talking about 16 or so yrs ago...FG was definitely not the name brand it is today...thanks for confirming I thought it was all in my head
Mochanet..yep too many dogs and strollers
saw one get hit by a car the other day...as of leash dog that is
walked pass a chap that had 4 off leash..I wanted to say something buy thought the dogs might pick up on the tone of my voice..considering they were off leash I left it alone
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i haven't noticed too many poop problems
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Subject: I Have
Boygabriel wrote: i haven't noticed too many poop problems
Actually I have, it annoys me and I'm a dog owner.
I think it's incredibly irresponisible when dog owners don't pick up after their dog.
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