lock you doors
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don't know if this has been posted somewhere else, but washington ave. has been blocked off at eastern parkway within the last hour, so traffic is getting a bit backed up--definately avoid it if you can.
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yep they are starting to get everything ready since the party starts tommorow night.. flatbush between the park and botanical gardens is lined with barricades in preperation.. as in empire blvd
sucks for people with cars who have to move 'em -
Subject: Lock Your Doors
My first post:
I've never really considered the parade/festival dangerous. But, last year, you'll recall that Labor Day was the final day of the Security Event of the decade - the Republican Nat'l Convention. You'll also recall how tense it was in the City during that event - what with people getting arrested just for walking down the street, nets being used to arrest bikers en masse, etc. So by the time the parade rolled around, the air in the NYC was quite sour. It didn't help that NYPD had helicopters circling Pro Ho from 6 am on. I felt like I was living in Belfast or something.
Around mid-afternoon I went to the parade, got a nice rum punch and started sampling the eats. The dangerous incident and thus the reason for the post, occured when a fight errupted about a block away. About 30 of New York's finest ran to the incident with billy clubs at the ready. The crowd reacted by moving away from the incident quickly. Unfortunately, with all the people there, sudden movement like that is very dangerous. For several blocks people were pinned up against the concession stands, grown men were wimpering in fear, several people tried to climb under the stands. It was a dangerous mess.
The parade isn't dangerous because of a random murder at one of the pre or post parties. The parade is dangerous because of crowd mentality. I still plan on going though! -
It's that time of year, and this classic definitely deserves a bump!
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http://www.wiadca.org/
funny streaming audio on the Official West Indian Parade Site:
"First night is Ladies Night! La la la laaaadies night!"
any intrepid souls stay up late for J'ouvert? -
pitu wrote: http://www.wiadca.org/
There's actually just as much violence associated with J'ouvert as with the parade itself!
funny streaming audio on the Official West Indian Parade Site:
"First night is Ladies Night! La la la laaaadies night!"
any intrepid souls stay up late for J'ouvert?
I think a cab driver I rode with around this time last year said it best: "Why people gotta bring a knife and a gun to a party? What they gonna bring a helmet and combat boots to a party?" -
Just as an FYI… the parade isn’t specific to Jamaica. The parade is for all islands and people of the Caribbean. The parade was actually started in the 1920s in Harlem by a Trinidadian and in the 1960s was brought to Brooklyn by a Trinidadian…. Now participants from all islands and some countries in Central/ South America can be found participating in all J'Ouvert festivities…
Check out the link on Wikipedia for more detail… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day_Carnival -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=pitu]http://www.wiadca.org/
There's actually just as much violence associated with J'ouvert as with the parade itself!
funny streaming audio on the Official West Indian Parade Site:
"First night is Ladies Night! La la la laaaadies night!"
any intrepid souls stay up late for J'ouvert?
I think a cab driver I rode with around this time last year said it best: "Why people gotta bring a knife and a gun to a party? What they gonna bring a helmet and combat boots to a party?"
As has been mentioned in the past . . .
you can't have that many people in one place, and that much alcohol, without some incidents. Shall we talk about St. Patrick's Day, or Puerto Rico Day? Oy vey.
I'd rather be with the millions whining down the parkway . . .
wonder if the Fugees will be back together for a truck? -
pitu wrote: http://www.wiadca.org/
I am down!! Got a couple days off to celebrate my island roots!!
funny streaming audio on the Official West Indian Parade Site:
"First night is Ladies Night! La la la laaaadies night!"
any intrepid souls stay up late for J'ouvert? -
Few options for the West Indian Day Parade.
1. Jump in and take on the festivities.
2. Sit on a roof top with a view and pack food and beverages like you are in a hurricane and can't leave the house.
3. Get out of the area and come back when its over.
Locking your doors isn't going to do anything. The parade is a great experience for anyone that hasn't seen it. It is the largest annual parade in NYC, and full of energy.
Check out the police snipers on the dome of the Brooklyn Museum, they are a new fixture of the events. -
jaha127 wrote: [quote=pitu]http://www.wiadca.org/
I am down!! Got a couple days off to celebrate my island roots!!
funny streaming audio on the Official West Indian Parade Site:
"First night is Ladies Night! La la la laaaadies night!"
any intrepid souls stay up late for J'ouvert?
I'm with you. My Bajan wife and I will be there with flags on.
I really can't understand the negativism of some of the posts on this thread - if I weren't practicing Netiquette these days I'd flame a couple of these posts as something other than open and accepting - but I promise to be nice and not mention how ------ I think some of the content is. -
can someone who's been to j'ouvert tell me what it's like? it sounds kinda awesome, and i'm thinking of going this year. will i feel dumb if i haven't gone before?
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My wife and I went in 2003. It was a middle of the night steel drum competion and masquerade/dancing (mas - where people cover themselves in mud or wear rags covered in mud, grease or paint) fueled by lots of alcohol and other recreational drugs. It's an old Trinidadian tradition - the event I mean not the drinking and drugging
J'Ouvert (joo-vay) means "daybreak." -
Does the NYPD still have the small pedestrian entrances? You know where they open two barricades so that only three people at a time can fit? The last time I went it was a frigging zoo. And this wasn't on the participants this was on the City who came up with the bright idea of pumping two million people in entrances no bigger than your bathroom door. I hope that has changed. Otheriwse, unless you do have rooftop access, I'd either watch it on TV or go away for the weekend.
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Idlewild wrote: Does the NYPD still have the small pedestrian entrances? You know where they open two barricades so that only three people at a time can fit? The last time I went it was a frigging zoo. And this wasn't on the participants this was on the City who came up with the bright idea of pumping two million people in entrances no bigger than your bathroom door. I hope that has changed. Otheriwse, unless you do have rooftop access, I'd either watch it on TV or go away for the weekend.
This is a Giuliani tactic, that Bloomberg has unfortunately continued. It's all about breaking the event up into sectors, with the cops controlling all flow between the sectors with small, easily closed access points. They use it at political rallys too. -
Yup! And when someone dies in the packed crowd because of th collective heat or they get crushed or a fight breaks out and someone gets seriously injured or killed because of the zoo mentality the City puts you in, the City will either blame the "wrong element" or say "maybe we should look things over". You're better off not attending.
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Idlewild wrote: Does the NYPD still have the small pedestrian entrances? You know where they open two barricades so that only three people at a time can fit? The last time I went it was a frigging zoo. And this wasn't on the participants this was on the City who came up with the bright idea of pumping two million people in entrances no bigger than your bathroom door. I hope that has changed. Otheriwse, unless you do have rooftop access, I'd either watch it on TV or go away for the weekend.
does this apply to j'ouvert also, or just the main parade? -
Idlewild wrote: Yup! And when someone dies in the packed crowd because of th collective heat or they get crushed or a fight breaks out and someone gets seriously injured or killed because of the zoo mentality the City puts you in, the City will either blame the "wrong element" or say "maybe we should look things over". You're better off not attending.
That's kind of harsh. There are incidents every year, but a huge number of people attend the parade (over 2 million), and there's minimal risk to any individual. In addition, most of the actual violence takes place off the main route and is associated with house parties or side street partying.
The parade is awesome, and I strongly recommend that anyone here who's never been should check it out for themselves. I'll be going (as I do every year). PM me if you want to join me. -
Livetotravel wrote: I really can't understand the negativism of some of the posts on this thread - if I weren't practicing Netiquette these days I'd flame a couple of these posts as something other than open and accepting - but I promise to be nice and not mention how ------ I think some of the content is.
If I lived on the Upper East Side and knew that every year a lot of violence, including murders, happened with activities peripheral to the St. Pat's or Columbus Day Parade, there's a chance I would approach that event and day with some trepidation. I now live on EP, and while I enjoy the parade and Labor Day in the neighborhood, it's certainly a time to be wary and keep your wits about you.
Does that make me "------"? -
OnEasternParkway wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]I really can't understand the negativism of some of the posts on this thread - if I weren't practicing Netiquette these days I'd flame a couple of these posts as something other than open and accepting - but I promise to be nice and not mention how ------ I think some of the content is.
If I lived on the Upper East Side and knew that every year a lot of violence, including murders, happened with activities peripheral to the St. Pat's or Columbus Day Parade, there's a chance I would approach that event and day with some trepidation. I now live on EP, and while I enjoy the parade and Labor Day in the neighborhood, it's certainly a time to be wary and keep your wits about you.
Does that make me "------"?
Did you say St Pat's - the day that people get drunk and piss all over the streets of Manhattan - yep, wonderful example. Here's an article that may interest you . . .
A Brooklyn man who was acquitted in the fatal beating of a teen-ager during a brawl at the St. Patrick's Day Parade two years ago has sued the city for $8 million, contending he was falsely arrested .
The man, Jason Andrade, 20, was arrested and charged with murder in the death of Michael Sarti, 18. Mr. Sarti was beaten and kicked on March 17, 1997, on Madison Avenue and 59th Street, a block from the parade, during one of several clashes between groups of drinking youths. Mr. Sarti went into a coma and died three weeks later. A Manhattan jury found Mr. Andrade not guilty in February last year.
In papers filed last week in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, Mr. Andrade said that the police arrested him without justification, provocation, or probable cause, and that the city maliciously prosecuted him.
Lorna Goodman, a lawyer for the city, said that ''if there was probable cause for his arrest and the case went to trial, he has no claim for false arrest.'' -
I can't believe this thread.
These thinly-veiled "warnings" of relatively non-specific low percentage threats just feed into the kind of irrational mentality of fear that unfortunately drives a lot of our culture today. (see: terrorism, child abduction, the 11 o'clock news scare of the evening, etc.)
Haven't we been over this before?
Haven't we bunkered into the usual camps before?
My wife and I bring the kids to the parade and it's always fine.
And, if you're afraid of going, I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff to do in the city that day. -
OK so I have to work that day until 7 or so, but when I get back will some of the street vendors still be selling food? I don't want to miss out entirely. I'm mad enough that I have to miss the whole parade, I don't want to miss out on street goat roti and whatever.
Work is for chumps and suckers.
Please support my plight by boycotting major league baseball on Labor Day. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=Idlewild]Yup! And when someone dies in the packed crowd because of th collective heat or they get crushed or a fight breaks out and someone gets seriously injured or killed because of the zoo mentality the City puts you in, the City will either blame the "wrong element" or say "maybe we should look things over". You're better off not attending.
That's kind of harsh. There are incidents every year, but a huge number of people attend the parade (over 2 million), and there's minimal risk to any individual. In addition, most of the actual violence takes place off the main route and is associated with house parties or side street partying.
The parade is awesome, and I strongly recommend that anyone here who's never been should check it out for themselves. I'll be going (as I do every year). PM me if you want to join me.
I went to the parade. Went right inside the crowd. It was jam packed on a hot day. I literally had to have my girlfriend wrap her arms around me from behind so I could punch my way out. Another guy put his kid on his shoulders and did the same thing. When me and some other people begged the cops to come out from underneath the barricades they refused to let us out. Like I said if they have changed te way they let people in and box people in for the better then yes attend the parade. Otherwise I'm not being harsh. As for th violence, most parades have violence. I'm not talking about the people who attend looking for a fight. -
Livetotravel wrote: [quote=OnEasternParkway][quote=Livetotravel]I really can't understand the negativism of some of the posts on this thread - if I weren't practicing Netiquette these days I'd flame a couple of these posts as something other than open and accepting - but I promise to be nice and not mention how ------ I think some of the content is.
If I lived on the Upper East Side and knew that every year a lot of violence, including murders, happened with activities peripheral to the St. Pat's or Columbus Day Parade, there's a chance I would approach that event and day with some trepidation. I now live on EP, and while I enjoy the parade and Labor Day in the neighborhood, it's certainly a time to be wary and keep your wits about you.
Does that make me "------"?
Did you say St Pat's - the day that people get drunk and piss all over the streets of Manhattan - yep, wonderful example. Here's an article that may interest you . . .
etc. etc.
You didn't come close to understanding my point. IF I lived on the UES, knowing that over a million people, some of whom would be belligerent drunks, some of whom could take part in astonishingly violent acts, would be in my neighborhood on 3/17, I'd keep an eye on things.
Similarly, since I live on Eastern Parkway, and I know that over a million people, some of whom will be drunk, high, etc., some of whom will take part in astonishingly violent acts, will be in my neighborhood on Labor Day, I'll keep an extra eye peeled and be sensible.
You were so excited to be able to make an example of the St. Pat's parade that you forgot to read for content.
I love Labor Day in this neighborhood, but as with many things that take place in NYC, there are going to be elements of the festivities that sane folks would be well advised to avoid. -
Subject: Moving Sat
Does anyone know what streets are going to be closed off on Sat? I'm moving to PH on Sat and am nervous that our movers might have trouble getting down the streets...yikes. -
Subject: Re: Moving Sat
SummerGirl wrote: Does anyone know what streets are going to be closed off on Sat? I'm moving to PH on Sat and am nervous that our movers might have trouble getting down the streets...yikes.
What street are you moving to? What are the cross streets? Eastern Parkway is usually closed from GAP up to Utica. You should also check this website come Friday http://www.gridlocksam.com/ -
Subject: Re: Moving Sat
Idlewild wrote: [quote=SummerGirl]Does anyone know what streets are going to be closed off on Sat? I'm moving to PH on Sat and am nervous that our movers might have trouble getting down the streets...yikes.
What street are you moving to? What are the cross streets? Eastern Parkway is usually closed from GAP up to Utica. You should also check this website come Friday http://www.gridlocksam.com/
what's closed on Saturday tho?
j'ouvert is sunday night, and parade is labor day monday
(right?)
also, local signage would go up if some street is closed for a block party or something -
I didn't know any streets were closed off on Saturday. I thought early Monday is when the NYPD started blocking streets off. Check with Gridlock Sam and/or the NYPD http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/advisories/wkndtraf.html
The NYPD site states that GAP East will be closed for the construction. That's about it for the weekend.
Wtf is j'ouvert btw? -
Idlewild wrote: Wtf is j'ouvert btw?
Essentially a massive pre-party. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=Idlewild]Wtf is j'ouvert btw?
Essentially a massive pre-party.
preferred by some original participants as a non-electrified celebration -- pan playing, not sound trucks
the big trucks with sound systems overshadow the pan orchestras in the main parade
Idlewild, I'm so disturbed by this image of you punching your way out of a crowd -- I think of the parade experience in a punk-mosh pit kind of way, and I always hated the boys that started punching in that scene too . . .
I agree that the pens and bottlenecks as crowd control tactics of the NYPD are a disaster, but why fall for that and make it worse? bah.
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