Who here is from NYC and who here is a transplant?
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I happen to think that for every one rude transplant there are 5 or more great transplants (i.e, alafairnadia, cupcake, kate, john, Emily, nybt, muteflute, RAH). I think they bring a great new perspective and breath new life into neighborhoods - they also make great friends 8)
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Fuck this "other" bullshit, it's so elitist it makes me ill.
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bewitched wrote: Fuck this "other" bullshit, it's so elitist it makes me ill.
Your right Bewitched but - we can always talk about people from Jersey
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Hey now, this is how rumors get started! I'll have you know I was born in Manhattan and lived in Queens before I got shipped off to CA, FL, NJ, England, and back. I have returned to NYC and while technically I could call myself a "native", the term makes me want to puke. I'm "from" everywhere, and Prospect Heights is my home.
And the parking bullshit sucks. Plain and simple. -
bewitched wrote: I'm "from" everywhere, and Prospect Heights is my home.
I think that would be a great PH t-shirt!! -
Subject: homegrown vs. transplant
not born here but 25 years and counting... -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=EasternPkwyQ]I think you need to take a step back, NYBT, take a deep breath and figure out why you're so quick to jump down someone's throat without reading their statements thoroughly
I think you need to read what you (and devincf, since you grab up his cause in your post. from this point on (including the 'you' hanging outside of all of these parens), you refers to, well, you, and devincf) write. you accuse people of defensiveness above, and now you want people to take a step back? here's a reality check. you are attacking (yes, attacking) folks for moving to a city and a neighborhood and enjoying their experience in that space. you are attacking them for not being 'natives' of this space, despite the fact that you don't know them. further, you are attempting to argue that these people should remain from where they were birthed, which is, really, absurd. finally, you are saying that people should be ASHAMED of being DEFENSIVE about your ATTACK. hrm. guess what? you attack, people will defend. and wait, did I mention how insular and static you two sound? it's really quite unamerican. (OH MAN, someone call dubya, I finally said his word)
Nobody is attacking anybody. Can I sponsor a free reading comprehension seminar for some folks?
It's retarded to deny that people come to NYC - and now that it's hip, Brooklyn - just for a couple of years to get their jollies and move along. These are the people, as I have now clarified again and again, who I am talking about.
As for the Ratner comment - it's about people from outside coming to a neighborhood and not asking the people who live there already (as you may be interested to know, whole families lived in this area before any of us showed up) for their input on changes being made to the neighborhood. I am simply taking the "New people and gentrifiers yay!" argument to its conclusion - Ratner is the ultimate new person and gentrifier.
Also, I don't understand what your post about ASCAP and DJs even means. Perhaps the drinking that you endlessly post about got in the way of making sense that time. -
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PHILLY BORN AND RAISED IN DA HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
devincf wrote: It's retarded to deny that people come to NYC - and now that it's hip, Brooklyn - just for a couple of years to get their jollies and move along. These are the people, as I have now clarified again and again, who I am talking about.
yeah. and what's wrong with moving to NYC for shits & giggles? that's my question. cause from my perspective, you are attacking people who moved here for any reason you deem as getting their jollies. and so, those of us who don't have family ties, or jobs on broadway, or something that marks us as *needing to be in NYC*, are, well, getting our jollies.devincf wrote: Also, I don't understand what your post about ASCAP and DJs even means. Perhaps the drinking that you endlessly post about got in the way of making sense that time.
oi. you said:Everybody with a couple of records is a DJ now. They should make people get a license. Take some sort of test.
and I responded:wow, so all of my friends who've recorded albums and get ASCAP checks are DJs and have a strike against them should they move here? damn. you're harsh.
"everybody with a couple of records" could mean two things: everybody who owns a couple of records or everybody who has recorded a couple of records. and see, people who have created music and pressed it to records (or CDs or whatever) get checks from organizations like ASCAP as royalties every time their music gets played publically. so these music creators, who've got a couple of records, are DJs by your definition.
and gosh, you noticed my endless drinking? how sweet. -
OK. so your post actually made no sense. I was worried it was just me. Any contextual reading of my post would indicate that I was talking about people owning records. But I am super impressed that you have a lot of friends with record deals.
As for getting their jollies - hey, keep on reading everything in a way that allows you to be reactionary. That's cool with me.
And noticed your drinking? Anyone who has read a thread here - about anything at all - knows about it. -
devincf wrote: Perhaps the drinking that you endlessly post about got in the way of making sense that time.
after watching your behavior on this string it's not terribly surprising to see that in the face of not understanding what alfairnadia was saying you would resort to lame personal attacks. -
RAH wrote: [quote=devincf]Perhaps the drinking that you endlessly post about got in the way of making sense that time.
after watching your behavior on this string it's not terribly surprising to see that in the face of not understanding what alfairnadia was saying you would resort to lame personal attacks.
Not understanding? It made no sense. And I don't think that was a lame attack. Hell, I clicked on a thread about a sidewalk impediment and - bang! - posting about being drunk. It's like a boasting 18 year old. -
devincf wrote:
I think alfairnadia's post on the sidewalk impediment string was meant to be funny. and if you thought it was out of context you should have addressed your concerns in that string instead of bringing it to this one as a reason why you didn't understand what alfairnadia was saying. regardless, people talk about drinking. big deal. hell this board has a happy hour every wednesday.
Not understanding? It made no sense. And I don't think that was a lame attack. Hell, I clicked on a thread about a sidewalk impediment and - bang! - posting about being drunk. It's like a boasting 18 year old. -
devincf wrote: Can I sponsor a free reading comprehension seminar for some folks?
Only if I can sponsor a Writing With Clarity seminar for others.
Your initial post ofI think transplants are a problem in that most of them don't come to New York to stay. They rush into "cool" areas, jack the rents up and then blow out back to the suburbs after doing their three to five obligatory years in NYC. Obviously that's not every transplant, but my experience is that most who come to NY don't come to spend their lives.
is largely responsible for the defensive (and offensive) posture that some, including myself, have adopted in this conversation. Quite a few posts passed before you clarified that it was specifically 'hipster transients' (all small percentage of non-native NYers, I would think) that whip you into a froth.It's retarded to deny that people come to NYC - and now that it's hip, Brooklyn - just for a couple of years to get their jollies and move along.
It's also retarded to state that the majority of the people that come to NY fit in to this category.
So, either A)you're making asinine assumptions and you're not backing them up or
your posts lack sufficient clarity and the readers are not to blame. -
Oh hey guys, you know what: give the sniping a rest. Or this thread's getting a time out.
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Candicissima wrote: Oh hey guys, you know what: give the sniping a rest. Or this thread's getting a time out.
Awwwwww... but MOM!!!
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nybt wrote: Awwwwww... but MOM!!!
Don't make me get my belt! :x
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I think transplants are a problem in that most of them don't come to New York to stay. They rush into "cool" areas, jack the rents up and then blow out back to the suburbs after doing their three to five obligatory years in NYC. Obviously that's not every transplant, but my experience is that most who come to NY don't come to spend their lives.
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devincf wrote: I think transplants are a problem in that most of them don't come to New York to stay. They rush into "cool" areas, jack the rents up and then blow out back to the suburbs after doing their three to five obligatory years in NYC. Obviously that's not every transplant, but my experience is that most who come to NY don't come to spend their lives.
I think it's safe to say that people don't plan their lives starting from the moment they are born. I think it's also safe to say that some people like to keep moving while other people like to stay put. Moreover, I think it's safe to say that some people move to NYC thinking they will stay forever, but then decide they might need a break, or a change of scenery, or perhaps were offered a job opportunity they couldn't resist in another city. To suggest that gentrifiers intentionally move into bad areas then move as soon as it gets nice, is a bit narrow-minded, at best.
There are all sorts of people in the world. -
It's the nature of New York City real estate. I don't see how it's narrow-minded.
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devincf wrote: I think transplants are a problem in that most of them don't come to New York to stay. They rush into "cool" areas, jack the rents up and then blow out back to the suburbs after doing their three to five obligatory years in NYC. Obviously that's not every transplant, but my experience is that most who come to NY don't come to spend their lives.
I understand, but that's conditional upon "but... most who come to NY..." That implies that, at the very least, you feel that more than half of those that come to NY are a problem, correct? Even if you really DO believe that, you're asking for a fight. Why not give your neighbors the benefit of the doubt and say, "many," or "a lot" instead of "most"? -
Not to pull the native New Yorker card, but I grew up knowing that giving anyone the benefit of the doubt was inviting trouble.
Anyway, I still don't get the uproar. New York is like LA in this way - people rarely come to either city to settle down. It's just a fact of life. -
And yet you seem so judgmental and superior about it. That's what people are objecting to.
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That's too bad. People who get upset when someone seems judgemental and superior should wonder why that bothers them so much.
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devincf wrote: Not to pull the native New Yorker card, but I grew up knowing that giving anyone the benefit of the doubt was inviting trouble.
That is the funniest and most pointless thing that I've heard in a long time! If you meant that to be funny, I take back every disparaging thought that I've had about you! -
Half and half. But you can keep your disparaging thoughts.
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devincf wrote: People who get upset when someone seems judgemental and superior should wonder why that bothers them so much.
You're quite the douche, aren't you? -
qtrain wrote: [quote=devincf]People who get upset when someone seems judgemental and superior should wonder why that bothers them so much.
You're quite the douche, aren't you?
You guys gotta stop!!! My side is starting to hurt from the laughing... -
qtrain wrote: You're quite the douche, aren't you?
Ask Richard Dreyfuss... -
qtrain wrote: [quote=devincf]People who get upset when someone seems judgemental and superior should wonder why that bothers them so much.
You're quite the douche, aren't you?
Maybe. Maybe there's a lot of overly defensive and sensitive people running around here.
And will anyone call you out on a lame personal attack? I mean - that one is just unimaginative and boring.
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