park slope eruv
i just heard that there's an eruv in park slope; anyone know the boundaries? (if that's what they're called.)
anyone know how long the eruv's been in place?
anyone know how long the eruv's been in place?
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I don't even know what it is! What's an eruv? Or have I had too much wine (and cheese! cheese, I had!)?
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There are enough Jews on this board that someone should chime in with an explanation (I've been waiting for a good post on the secret highways of thread in Prospect Park).
You could also read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv -
Here I was thinking I was a Jew By Osmosis (having grown up in a neighborhood on the North Shore of Long Island), but I guess I'm still a shiksa after all :-)
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Flexichick wrote: Here I was thinking I was a Jew By Osmosis (having grown up in a neighborhood on the North Shore of Long Island), but I guess I'm still a shiksa after all :-)
i'm the most jewish shiksa you'll meet... i only found out about the eruv because some new, orthodox friends invited me for shabbos dinner and i mentioned that i knew i couldn't bring anything (because i don't have a kosher kitchen) but before those words came out of my mouth my friend said, "you can carry in park slope, there's an eruv."
and i have to tell you, this NEVER occurred to me. i mean, i know i can't bring non-kosher food into the house, nor can i make anything because my kitchen isn't kosher (i'm bringing fruit)... but i never knew the laws would apply to me if i were a guest. i'm also not allowed to ring the buzzer. -
what i meant was, i'm the most shiksa-like jew (non-practicing, shrimp eating atheist)
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brooklynpotter wrote: [quote=Flexichick]Here I was thinking I was a Jew By Osmosis (having grown up in a neighborhood on the North Shore of Long Island), but I guess I'm still a shiksa after all :-)
i'm the most jewish shiksa you'll meet... i only found out about the eruv because some new, orthodox friends invited me for shabbos dinner and i mentioned that i knew i couldn't bring anything (because i don't have a kosher kitchen) but before those words came out of my mouth my friend said, "you can carry in park slope, there's an eruv."
and i have to tell you, this NEVER occurred to me. i mean, i know i can't bring non-kosher food into the house, nor can i make anything because my kitchen isn't kosher (i'm bringing fruit)... but i never knew the laws would apply to me if i were a guest. i'm also not allowed to ring the buzzer.
See, now, I could be a good Jew because I'm thinking "I'm invited to dinner and I don't have to bring anything?" ....I like these rules
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ok, admitting to being a shrimp-eating atheist should NOT make me lose karma points.
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when you catch up to me, then you should be proud!
but enough about the karma.........I think it's been pretty well-established that it doesn't mean much of anything -
Wow, that's quite fascinating. Further down the Wikipedia article, there's discussion of eruvs in Brooklyn that are recognized by some people and not others. However, it doesn't sound like either of them are in Park Slope. Where were you visiting?
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Subject: Re: park slope eruv
brooklynpotter wrote: i just heard that there's an eruv in park slope; anyone know the boundaries? (if that's what they're called.)
despite the wiki, I don't get it. can someone break down what the heck this actually means? I'm baffled.
anyone know how long the eruv's been in place? -
Subject: Re: park slope eruv
brooklynpotter wrote: i just heard that there's an eruv in park slope; anyone know the boundaries? (if that's what they're called.)
That Wiki link has a map with the boundaries (although I didn't read the whole explanation). Seems if you are w/in PS entirely you should be fine. Or, just don't bring anything and play it safe
anyone know how long the eruv's been in place? -
emily, i'm on 15th so it covers here. i know that the temple on 9th street is orthodox, so it has to extend down there. plus, chabad house is on PPW.
alafairnadia, i'll try to explain it as best i can: there are things you can't do on sabbath, like "carry". a purse, your prayer book, your child. but an eruv changes these rules so that you can carry things within the confines of the space. (ergo, you can bring your baby to temple)
sometimes an eruv is a physical thing, like a piece of string, that marks off an area. usually, these days, along phone or electrical lines. or, certain natural barriers (not sure which) can also mark the edge.
again, i am not the expert. and there are a lot of controversies about eruvs in certain neighborhoods. that said, i think this might be an easy explanation. -
Here is a map of the Park Slope Eruv
http://www.parkslopeshul.org/eruv.html
The link has the explanation too. -
brooklynpotter wrote: alafairnadia, i'll try to explain it as best i can: there are things you can't do on sabbath, like "carry". a purse, your prayer book, your child. but an eruv changes these rules so that you can carry things within the confines of the space. (ergo, you can bring your baby to temple) .
So basically it is a way of breaking the religious "law" and feeling o.k. about it with some crazy holy passageway??? Or those holy elevators that stop on every floor on Saturdays so you don't have to push a button so I guess that means you aren't actually riding in an elevator by choice but kind of fell into it and thankfully ended up on your floor?? (sorry obviously an atheist here who can be intolerant of all fundamentalist religions) -
BrooklynJack wrote: Here is a map of the Park Slope Eruv
That is one long piece of string...
http://www.parkslopeshul.org/eruv.html
The link has the explanation too.
Question - If I'm understanding the info on the link correctly, how does one justify that this huge area, basically all of PS and PH, is a private domain? I mean, King Solomon's court, okay... but an area containing the homes of thousands of people of various religious practices? Or has the meaning changed over the centuries, as is the case with most religions? -
WhyFi wrote: [quote=BrooklynJack]Here is a map of the Park Slope Eruv
That is one long piece of string...
http://www.parkslopeshul.org/eruv.html
The link has the explanation too.
Question - If I'm understanding the info on the link correctly, how does one justify that this huge area, basically all of PS and PH, is a private domain? I mean, King Solomon's court, okay... but an area containing the homes of thousands of people of various religious practices? Or has the meaning changed over the centuries, as is the case with most religions?
Answer: Who knows? Seriously, I'm not anti-religious, but sometimes it seems the more I learn, the less sense things make. A piece of magic string makes it cool to break all the previously established rules? Okay, no harm done, but I'd prefer it if they just said, "Look, we know it's impractical that you can't carry anything on the Sabbath, so if it's necessary, just do it. I mean, after all, you "carry" your clothes, right? Don't worry, peeps!" -
BrooklynJack wrote: Here is a map of the Park Slope Eruv
Some of Atlantic Yards is in, some of it is out -- interesting.
http://www.parkslopeshul.org/eruv.html
The link has the explanation too. -
brooklynpotter wrote: alafairnadia, i'll try to explain it as best i can: there are things you can't do on sabbath, like "carry". a purse, your prayer book, your child. but an eruv changes these rules so that you can carry things within the confines of the space. (ergo, you can bring your baby to temple)
AHHHH, okay, I get it! I used to see these all the time growing up in miami beach - I just never knew what those long string "fences" meant. thanks!
sometimes an eruv is a physical thing, like a piece of string, that marks off an area. usually, these days, along phone or electrical lines. or, certain natural barriers (not sure which) can also mark the edge.
again, i am not the expert. and there are a lot of controversies about eruvs in certain neighborhoods. that said, i think this might be an easy explanation. -
When I lived in Boro Park it was explained to me as follows:
A wire is placed around an area and within that area you are allowed to carry certain items that you would not normally be allowed to carry on shabbos. For example, if you are not in an Eruv you are not allowed to carry keys, push strollers, wheelchairs, etc.
Many times I had to turn off car and house alarms that went off on shabbos or turn on an a/c. -
ok, i gotta say this (and watch the karma drops...): you guys are being shitheads about this.
let me first say, again, shrimp-eating atheist. don't celebrate holidays, don't believe in the holidays and think most of them are depressing, filled with suffering, and unnecessary.
that said, i think eruvs keep jewish communities together (which itself has its own controversies). i think that the shabbos elevator you're speaking of has a purpose: finding ways to follow centuries-long rules in modern society.
do i think that these rules are dumb? ridiculous? misogynistic? antiquated? et alia? you bet i do. but the blatant eruv and law bashing reponses are positively insulting and, frankly, close-minded.
if you'd like to discuss what eruvs do and don't do for communities, bring it on. otherwise you're just being more than unpleasant. -
brooklynpotter wrote: do i think that these rules are dumb? ridiculous? misogynistic? antiquated? et alia? you bet i do. but the blatant eruv and law bashing reponses are positively insulting and, frankly, close-minded.
Fundamentalism is by nature close-minded to everything but its own community. With the rise of the Christian right and its frightening political power, the rise of muslim fundamentlist fanatics who want to destroy the west, the rise of fundamentalist mormonism with its polygamist marriages to underage girls, I think we have a right to add to the discussion by pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in fundamentalist religions. Fundamentalists tend to have a manachean outlook and you are either "saved" or "damned" or "in" or "out" (hey isn't that called Junior High?). Hell, most of them would be happy to be in this world without the "other"--whomever is not part of their tribe. I am happy to co-exist. But that doesn't mean I am thrilled about systems that oppress women or promote violence towards the other.
I think your knee-jerk reaction is frankly not looking at the bigger picture. -
kensingtonmom wrote: I am happy to co-exist. But that doesn't mean I am thrilled about systems that oppress women or promote violence towards the other.
how does an eruv oppress women or promote violence toward the other?
I think your knee-jerk reaction is frankly not looking at the bigger picture. -
kensingtonmom wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]do i think that these rules are dumb? ridiculous? misogynistic? antiquated? et alia? you bet i do. but the blatant eruv and law bashing reponses are positively insulting and, frankly, close-minded.
Fundamentalism is by nature close-minded to everything but its own community. With the rise of the Christian right and its frightening political power, the rise of muslim fundamentlist fanatics who want to destroy the west, the rise of fundamentalist mormonism with its polygamist marriages to underage girls, I think we have a right to add to the discussion by pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in fundamentalist religions. Fundamentalists tend to have a manachean outlook and you are either "saved" or "damned" or "in" or "out" (hey isn't that called Junior High?). Hell, most of them would be happy to be in this world without the "other"--whomever is not part of their tribe. I am happy to co-exist. But that doesn't mean I am thrilled about systems that oppress women or promote violence towards the other.
I think your knee-jerk reaction is frankly not looking at the bigger picture.
and i find your comparison between jewish laws that nobody but the religious are forced to follow, to the political power of the christian right or to the raping of girls in utah or to the large handful of muslim fundamentalists who seek to destroy us to be, frankly, terribly anti-semitic. -
alafairnadia wrote: how does an eruv oppress women or promote violence toward the other?
Its interesting because when I moved to Boro Park when I was 18 it was like dropping me in a different world and I too thought that the ultra Orthodox were unfair to women. I noticed the men never shook hands with me when we were introduced, women always walked slightly behind their husbands, some mothers were not allowed to help their sons with homework because there are certain religious books women are not allowed to read, my neighbor had her daughters married as soon as they were 18, women are unclean, etc. As I got older I realized that this is their way, it doesn't do any harm to me and who am I to knock their ways? In a way the ultra Orthodox are similar to the Christian Amish.
Cute little story though - when I first moved there - no other non-Orthodox lived on my block (besides my landlady). When my neighbor's young 5 year old daughter first saw me getting into my car on Friday night she almost started crying saying "you are going to be in trouble, you are not supposed to be driving on SHABBOS!!!" She was sooo upset I waited until she went inside to get back in the car. -
only thing i know about it is either its a string around a area (they have one in borough park) or a wall city i think jews living in china would have a great time LOL.
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brooklynpotter wrote:
+1
and i find your comparison between jewish laws that nobody but the religious are forced to follow, to the political power of the christian right or to the raping of girls in utah or to the large handful of muslim fundamentalists who seek to destroy us to be, frankly, terribly anti-semitic.
I would like to add, that, despite being the great Kosherdave, I never had any idea what those strings between telephone wires were, and, come to think of it, I have seen them in PPark and wondered how that loooonng string got there, and being baffled. Wow, I lived in Israel and went to the most orthodox of orthodox yeshivas, and I never heard of the Eruv. Hmmmppf! -
brooklynpotter wrote: and i find your comparison between jewish laws that nobody but the religious are forced to follow, to the political power of the christian right or to the raping of girls in utah or to the large handful of muslim fundamentalists who seek to destroy us to be, frankly, terribly anti-semitic..
Frankly I knew that was your underlying reaction to my post.
I am not anti-semitic. I am anti-fundamentalist of ALL religions across the board. I think ALL fundamentalist religions are basically oppressive to women. I don't like the conservative direction the world is taking since the new uprising of fundamentalism in EVERY religion. And by the way, none of my Jewish friends follow the esoteric Jewish rules followed by the Orthodox--none of my friends wear wigs or walk in the holy lane. I think I can criticize an element of fanaticism without being anti-semitic frankly. -
kosherdave wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]
+1
and i find your comparison between jewish laws that nobody but the religious are forced to follow, to the political power of the christian right or to the raping of girls in utah or to the large handful of muslim fundamentalists who seek to destroy us to be, frankly, terribly anti-semitic.
I would like to add, that, despite being the great Kosherdave, I never had any idea what those strings between telephone wires were, and, come to think of it, I have seen them in PPark and wondered how that loooonng string got there, and being baffled. Wow, I lived in Israel and went to the most orthodox of orthodox yeshivas, and I never heard of the Eruv. Hmmmppf!
damn bro i grew up in brooklyn and not even jewish and i heard of it :P.
than again i have a thing for jewish girls. -
stacey wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]how does an eruv oppress women or promote violence toward the other?
Its interesting because when I moved to Boro Park when I was 18 it was like dropping me in a different world and I too thought that the ultra Orthodox were unfair to women. I noticed the men never shook hands with me when we were introduced, women always walked slightly behind their husbands, some mothers were not allowed to help their sons with homework because there are certain religious books women are not allowed to read, my neighbor had her daughters married as soon as they were 18, women are unclean, etc. As I got older I realized that this is their way, it doesn't do any harm to me and who am I to knock their ways? In a way the ultra Orthodox are similar to the Christian Amish.
Cute little story though - when I first moved there - no other non-Orthodox lived on my block (besides my landlady). When my neighbor's young 5 year old daughter first saw me getting into my car on Friday night she almost started crying saying "you are going to be in trouble, you are not supposed to be driving on SHABBOS!!!" She was sooo upset I waited until she went inside to get back in the car.
well, i could fill a book talking about women in orthodox/hasidic jewry. and i'm not going to because i don't feel like it right now and i have to leave for work in a little while.
i'll tell you that in my opinion the women have far more rights than they know, and when i see them, because i work in bburg, i feel sorry for them because they're never smiling.
that said, this has nothing to do with an eruv. perhaps we should get back on topic?> -
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