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Guy with knife — Brooklynian

Guy with knife

sterlingguy
edited November -1 in Prospect Heights
My wife and I were walking down Washington Avenue just a few minutes ago. Three guys in black sweatshirts with hoods pulled up were walking about forty feet in front of us. We thought we heard a bottle smash but didn't see any glass (but that should have been a greater warning bell). We turned onto Sterling (the street we live on) and the guys were right there in front of us. They were weaving and had bottles in their hands so I assumed they were drunk. They were pretty short, so I also assumed they were teenagers. One of them turned to look at us. I looked back at him and didn't like the look he was giving us, so quickly looked away and got out my keys. I thought we could just hang back a bit and let them move on, then enter our building. They slowed down and moved towards our steps (my thought at the time was they wanted us to pass them). It seemed like we couldn't avoid them, so I said excuse us as I approached our door. They parted for me, but what I did not see was that they did not part for my wife. As I was about to put my key in the door, I heard my wife say, "What do you want?" One of the guys said sarcastically, "What do I want?" I turned and saw that the guy had pulled a knife (four inch blade with an ivory handle -- crazy what you remember) and was walking towards her. I saw my wife standing there with her hands up. I must have said something like, "Woah," because he turned and started walking up the steps towards me. I remember having a weird thoughts, like: "I wonder what it feels like to get stabbed. He's shorter than me, so maybe I can protect myself, but I think this guy will stab me at least once..." (Well, its tough to say, but I do often have that kind of banter in my head in scary situations). At any rate, he was about two feet from me when one of his friends, who had been saying things like, "C'mon, man, don't be stupid," got a hand on him and started tugging him away. Then another guy jumped into the picture -- taller than the other three, in a lighter colored sweatshirt, perhaps a little older -- and helped the other guy drag this guy away. The guy with the knife had a little more fight in him, though, and said to me, "You got some money for me? How about a wallet?" But by this time I knew this guy did not really want money. I opened the building door reached for my wife, who ran in. The taller guy yelled an apology and my wife yelled something like, "thank you." I was not feeling as generous. I called the cops (after some deliberating, but I thought: even if this is just a drunk kid, you just don't pull a knife. Ever.) The cops came and I told them my story and they said it was a drunk punk who did not fit any kind of criminal profile. I agreed, and, to be honest, was just happy to have them hear my story. The two cops were polite and professional (tough guy rookie, older cop with moustache who did most of the talking). It was not the kind of situation where I wanted to press charges or anything -- I just wanted the cops to know that this had happenned on this block so they could keep an eye out tonight. And, for whatever it is worth, that is exactly what they said they would do. What was more interesting, actually, was that the profile they are most concerned about right now are "the well dressed, nicer guys who ask you for the time or for directions and get inside your gate -- that is the guy to look out for right now in your neighborhood." So look out for the well dressed muggers, my nieghborhood friends. And in the meantime, thank you for reading this -- writing this has helped me get over the anger I was feeling at some punk threatening my wife and getting in my face, mixed equally with the fear of the threat turning into real violence. And if this all sounds melodramatic, blame the adrenulin. I know this happens all the time to folks in the city and in our neighborhood... But I guess my bottom line is: getting a knife pulled on you and your wife really sucks. I am grateful that is was just a punk trying to get (and got) a reaction.
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  • wow, that's really scary! I'm very glad you and your wife are safe at home! thanks for the warning!
  • glad you guys are okay. damn that sucks.
  • Wow! So glad that you and your wife are okay! But I'm a little concerned that the cops didn't follow-up - the guy pulled out a knife - drunk, stupid, high, whatever it doesn't matter. He was obviously threatning your wife with something that could kill her and yourself. As a female who has no choice but to sometimes walk alone at night fromt the train, this is very scarry. Well, again, glad that you had the sense to remain coolheaded and that the two of you came out unscathed. One little suggesstion though: let your wife walk ahead of you!
  • I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to you. It sounds terrifying. I couldn't help but put myself in your shoes. There's something both comforting and scary about the idea that they were peobably drunk. I deal with drunks a lot at work and although they're perhaps more likely to hurt themselves, they can be dangerous and unpredictable.

    Anyway, I'm glad you and your wife are OK. I hope you made an official report to the police, even if no one gets caught. I'd be happy hearing that someone let these guys know that being drunk is not ana excuse for pulling a knife. I think probably most of us realize that.
  • really scary and I'm glad you and your wife are ok.

    One time something similar happened to me when my boyfriend went ahead of me in the door, leaving me a few steps behind and a guy pulled a razor blade on me. I was alright, but my boyfriend felt like shit for weeks over it.

    Not to make you feel bad, but get the wife (and female friends) in front of you and inside first. Thank god nothing happened to her.
  • That is really horrific, I am sorry to hear.

    I am glad no one was hurt.

    I really wish the side streets int he neighborhood were better lit. I don't know if that would be a deterrent, but it has irked me since I moved here. I lived in Astoria for a 1 1/2 years and never had a problem, then again, I also didn't have an internet forum for Astoria to tell me if anything sketch was going on. Regardless, the side streets were pretty well lit.
  • sorry but a guy pulling a knife and threatening you and your wife and demanding money has already committed several crimes (assault, battery, and attempted armed robbery for starters), which should not be dismissed by the police as a "drunk punk" who didn't fit the profile. it's nice that they listened sympathetically, but counseling isn't what they're paid for. i hope their reaction doesn't imply that they're not taking this seriously.
  • Smokin' Joe has a good point. I wonder if your assault made the precinct stats. I'm glad things ended okay for you and your wife, but like you said a knife was pulled and a threat was made, not acceptable.
  • Smokin' Joe wrote: sorry but a guy pulling a knife and threatening you and your wife and demanding money has already committed several crimes (assault, battery, and attempted armed robbery for starters), which should not be dismissed by the police as a "drunk punk" who didn't fit the profile.
    I'll say! What "profile" was he talking about exactly? And since when does someone have to "fit a profile" in order to be arrested for a crime? What does one thing have to do with the other?

    This is outrageous.

    I feel utterly unprotected by the police.
  • Thanks for posting this -- I don't know what I would've done! (For what it's worth, I probably would've had those strange thoughts too, heh)

    To Brooklynleather, I lived in Astoria for a year as well and always felt safe, I primarily walked down Ditmars (which was always well-lit) but yeah even the sidestreets were pretty lit up. I don't live on a side street here, luckily - but I have a strange question --

    have most people had an incident right in front of their door like that? Because when I walk back home from the train at night, I always feel sort of ok when I get to my door, but then I have second thoughts. Like, I feel like I should be ok because who's gonna do something to me right in front of my building - my living room window, with my roommate right inside, is right there, not to mention a huge family on the second floor... but I have a bodega on the corner too, so these people hanging out in front see me turn to go into my house and it's scary thinking they could come up behind me while I fumble with my keys!!
  • breatheeasy wrote: Thanks for posting this -- I don't know what I would've done!
    does anyone know what you're *supposed* to do? (this sounds facetious, it is not meant to sound facetious...) seriously, is there some particular way of handling this situation?
  • breatheeasy wrote: but I have a strange question --

    have most people had an incident right in front of their door like that? Because when I walk back home from the train at night, I always feel sort of ok when I get to my door, but then I have second thoughts. Like, I feel like I should be ok because who's gonna do something to me right in front of my building - my living room window, with my roommate right inside, is right there, not to mention a huge family on the second floor... but I have a bodega on the corner too, so these people hanging out in front see me turn to go into my house and it's scary thinking they could come up behind me while I fumble with my keys!!
    I've heard that of people being attacked or mugged while trying to enter their house or have had someone forcibly enter behind them.

    I've thought about why as well and I think that it's a vulnerable moment. Some people don't have their keys out by the time they reach the door or they have bags. If living in an apt. building, the vestibule is a small area for a mugger to take the upper hand. I think also that it's good to look around and see who's around you and what they're doing before you reach for the door.
  • good idea to have your keys in your hand
    I had a college prof who suggested we carry them sticking out between yr fingers as a weapon . . .

    The door really is a vulnerable spot. Interesting technique, this splitting up a couple. It's obvious now that I'm reading it, but I wouldn't have thought about it before either.

    Consider going to a deli or a bar or someplace if you're getting a vibe and don't want to walk into your door alone. Don't feel like a dork for playing it safe!

    A self-defense class (below link for women only) can help you think about what you'd do, build confidence, do risk assessment . . .

    http://www.rightrides.org/templates/programs.php?page=sd_classes
  • the other thing I do at night since I live in an apt building with a door into a vestibule and a second door into the building is that I quickly push the first door closed instead of letting it close by itself, preventing anyone from rushing up and getting in behind me.

    Pitu, good idea on the self-defense class. I've never taken one and it's a good idea to practice what to do.
  • and pitu, et alia, that link also brings you to the right-rides site, which is a program offering free rides for women (and transexual men--do not make sassy comments here, it's just as dangerous for them to get home as it is for us) on saturday eves from 12-3.

    their motto: something like "because getting home safe shouldn't be a luxury"

    and, no tipping allowed ever.
  • Thanks so much for posting the rightrides site - I will pass it on to all my female friends. It looks like an amazing program that definitley should get more support. Thanks again!
  • Subject: responses

    thanks everyone for your responses to my post. i am happy to see that the responses have led to good links and supportive advice on what to do when getting that bad vibe near your front steps. nothing will separate me from my wife at the door again (i am thinking bungee rope attached at the waists...). in the meantime, may this never happen to you.
  • Sterling Guy, would you mind providing some additional info about the profile the police were referring to, and why they didn't feel a crime had been committed?

    Thanks.
  • No where in the original post did I read that the police didnt feel it was a crime. I however, I did read "It was not the kind of situation where I wanted to press charges or anything -- I just wanted the cops to know that this had happenned on this block so they could keep an eye out tonight." Lets not all cop bash here. If he didnt want to report the incident thats his prerogative, but more helpful than just posting on here i'd like a detailed description of these guys. Race, age, height clothing descriptions, and did you hear any of these guys call each other by any names. Theres a guy named James aka "chino" who often does this kind of stuff, He lives off of Pacific St-Vanderbilt ave. Any further info would be helpful.
  • King without a crown wrote: No where in the original post did I read that the police didnt feel it was a crime. I however, I did read "It was not the kind of situation where I wanted to press charges or anything -- I just wanted the cops to know that this had happenned on this block so they could keep an eye out tonight." Lets not all cop bash here. If he didnt want to report the incident thats his prerogative, but more helpful than just posting on here i'd like a detailed description of these guys. Race, age, height clothing descriptions, and did you hear any of these guys call each other by any names. Theres a guy named James aka "chino" who often does this kind of stuff, He lives off of Pacific St-Vanderbilt ave. Any further info would be helpful.
    might you by any chance be a cop?

    if so, welcome to the board and i'm probably speaking for many residents when i say we welcome your interest in following up on this.
  • Lets just say theres many people out there that read these forums. Many for entertainment purposes and others who are truly concerned about the community. Thanks for the Welcoming!!
  • Unfortunately, I did not catch much detail about these guys. The original three kids were short (like 5'6", I think) wearing black hoods pulled over their heads. I saw the faces of two of them, and all I can say is dark-skinned and maybe one of them had a shaved head (not our attacker). I had not seen them before (as far as I know) and did not hear names.

    The guy who came at us with the knife had a small mustache, seemed about 18 years old, had a bit of a prominant brow and dark brown eyes. But with those hoods, and it being midnight, the rest is hard to tell. The fourth guy who jumped in and played interference while my wife made a break for it was perhaps in his early twenties, probably African-American, short corn-rows or tight braids, some kind of facial hair... but the only detail that I can say for sure was that he had a lighter hooded sweatshirt than the other three guys (my wife and I disagree on the color of it).

    I gave all of these details to the police, and you are correct -- they said it was a crime for sure, but they just felt that it would be tough to find them at this point and the older cop's theory was that older kid was going to kick the knife-guy's ass for being so drunk and stupid (I could not say if this theory was a good one or not, and frankly I don't care either way).

    I hope this information is useful in some way, but I have to admit that it feels very sketchy and that is a large part of the reason I did not think I should pursue it by asking them to chase down three dark-skinned teens and pressing any charges. I am also really not interested in any kind of vigilante justice here, if that is why any "interested" folks want to know.

    One thing I can say for sure -- if I ever see that knife again, I could pick it out of a line-up: five inch blade with a faux-ivory handle and a silver metal stud holding it together at the switch. I never took my eyes off it.

    I am now going to leave this and put it behind me for a while. Thanks again for your responses, especially those who emailed me. Be well.
  • WOW. I am glad that you and your wife are safe. I am also kind of shocked at your ambivalence about having a knife pulled on your wife. Does someone have to slit your throat before you are willing to confront them? The kid that did that is quite likely to do it again, I would imagine. I wouldn't rely on this kid's friend to make sure that doesn't happen...this kid's next victim might not be so lucky. I agree with smokin joe...I am just really shocked and sad and confused as to why you wouldn't stand up for your right to lead a safe existence and demand that the police find this kid.
  • findcate wrote: WOW. I am glad that you and your wife are safe. I am also kind of shocked at your ambivalence about having a knife pulled on your wife. Does someone have to slit your throat before you are willing to confront them? The kid that did that is quite likely to do it again, I would imagine. I wouldn't rely on this kid's friend to make sure that doesn't happen...this kid's next victim might not be so lucky. I agree with smokin joe...I am just really shocked and sad and confused as to why you wouldn't stand up for your right to lead a safe existence and demand that the police find this kid.
    The kid might have friends and this is a neighborhood, so the situation could escalate to something else.

    There was nothing right about the kid pulling out a knife, but SterlingGuy did the right thing.
  • I'm not saying SterlingGuy should confront them himself--I'm just glad he got away without being harmed. but are you saying that people shouldn't press charges because criminals might have friends and it could escalate? So we should let people pull knives on us and not do anything about it? What happens to justice then? He and his wife were assaulted with a deadly weapon on their doorstep.
  • findcate: are you suggesting I did not stick up for my wife? Can you hear yourself as you imply that, and wonder why I might sound a little pissed? Do you think I don't question everything I did that night? Come on.

    Look, it was dark, they all had hoods on, they were long gone by the time the cops came, I got resistance from the cops about trying to catch them since they said there were probably dozens of African-American kids out drinking and wearing hoods that night, this sounded reasonable to me at the time, I was also raised not to trust cops (hence ambivalence), we DO live in a neighborhood where social ties can be complicated... and I was in shock. You have your opinion about what you would have done, that's fine, and I will live with my reaction to this lived experience. Done deal.

    And, just to be clear, I posted the story because I believe in DailyHeights as a community, and thought that if someone read my post and then saw something suspiciously similar shaping up, they would be extra cautious.
  • no, i definitely wasn't saying you should have confronted them and didn't think for a second that you didn't stick up for your wife...and I can't imagine what I would have done in your situation...I'm just glad you and your wife are safe.

    but I just don't understand why afterwards you didn't force the cops to find the people that assaulted you? it's a crime, it's not a minor thing at all. i thought your first impulse was right on--you don't pull a knife on someone. That is insane, it's criminal behavior, and it's assault. The fact that the police dismissed it is just completely crazy. completely. i just didn't understand why you seemed to accept and let it go that someone held a knife to your wife's throat. you can't rely on this kid's friend to handle him or to ensure he won't do it again to someone else...just seems really frustrating to me that they got away with it, largely because the police seemed to convince you that it wasn't a big deal. it has nothing to do with social ties and whatever else--it's a felony, it's assault with a deadly weapon. how do you know it was just a punk trying to get a reaction? maybe next time he will kill someone.

    It's totally unacceptable to me that the police didn't take this seriously I'm not judging you, but it's really wrong.
  • findcate wrote: It's totally unacceptable to me that the police didn't take this seriously I'm not judging you, but it's really wrong.
    findcate, please read this post:

    http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5502&highlight=

    Before this turns into another similar, exhaustive thread.
  • breatheeasy wrote:
    have most people had an incident right in front of their door like that? Because when I walk back home from the train at night, I always feel sort of ok when I get to my door, but then I have second thoughts. Like, I feel like I should be ok because who's gonna do something to me right in front of my building - my living room window, with my roommate right inside, is right there, not to mention a huge family on the second floor... but I have a bodega on the corner too, so these people hanging out in front see me turn to go into my house and it's scary thinking they could come up behind me while I fumble with my keys!!

    Knocking on wood: no. My block is always fairly lively and there are always people around, sitting on stoops etc, even at night. Somebody would have to have a lot of front to try anything at my door. Plus when coming home at night I'm almost always coming from Manhattan and I'm getting a yellow cab home and asking the cab driver to stay there until I have gone inside my building.
    Plus I have a terrifying 9 lb Min Pin that will bite anyone who tries to hurt me with its tiny razor sharp teeth and then probably piss on their shoe. So, yeah, I've got things covered, lol.
  • In defense of sterling guy, he stated he was in shock and didnt appear to be in a right frame of mind to pursue the issue at the time. Everyone handles situations and stressors differently, and having a knife pulled on you is not your everyday occurence. To clarify, this was not an assault with a deadly weapon. No one was assaulted. Menacing yes, and maybe even an attempted robbery. With that being said if Sterling guy still choses to do so, he may report the incident at the precinct. But lets not Blame the victim. Theres enough idiots on this board to bash.
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