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Gentriconfrontation (racist style) and a warning. — Brooklynian

Gentriconfrontation (racist style) and a warning.

I'm going to relate an incident that happened to me and my lady friend last friday. I'm going to try to do so with as little anger distortion as possible. I'll tell the whole story to allow for all possible interpretations. This post is rated pg-17 for strong language.

I'll set the scene first. I went on a trip on August 9th. While I was gone, my special lady left to visit her mother in Singapore; I returned on the 16th but my lady friend didn't get back until last Friday. That's three weeks without, so we were pretty much wrapped up in each other when we took her dog for a walk around 9.30.

As we were coming down Bergen, about to cross Carlton in the Vanderbilt direction, my lady friend points out the house across the street. It's the one with steps leading up, right on the corner, with the ceramic dalmatian in the window. For those of you who walk this patch of turf often, it's the house with the martian-invasion-of-easter-island mural on the Bergen street side, where the sidewalk narrows for the plots of plants on the street.

My girlfriend, before we cross, mentions that she always has trouble here because the owner(s) have a little shhtzu that always gives her dog trouble when they pass. It so happened that the dog (and owner) were outside; the dog came barelling down the stairs, stopped halfway and started to bark and growl. As we began to pass the side of the house, I said (perhaps more loudly than I should have, but I didn't think anything of it), "Yeah, that dog is evil."

We stopped by the last plot of plants to let our dog sniff around for a minute. She climbed onto the little mound and just nosed around in the plants for a minute. We'd passed by the same spot earlier, and I had actually pulled the dog out of there because I didn't think it was right for her to poop in what was obviously a tended little plot. I guess on the way back I wasn't paying as much attention though, because, while our dog didn't do numbers one or two, she did stand there for a few minutes.

All of a sudden, out of the blue, this tiny gray haired woman comes storming around the corner, I assume from the house with the Shihtzu. "Hey! Hey! Get your fucking dog out of there!", she's screaming at us. My special lady pulls the dog out and I apologize, but she's having none of it. She's walking towards us-- quite aggresively at this point-- and stops only when she's about three feet from my girl.

What followed was a five minute string of profanity and threat that I couldn't hope to reproduce if I wanted. Highlights include:

-- "I see you fucking people all the time. Where do you live, so I can come and shit in your house?!?"

-- "Who are you people? Who are you? Get off our fucking block, you yups!"

-- "I'll piss in your face!"

-- "I'll kill your dog. Next time I see you I'm going to feed your dog poison meat." (Yes, she actually said this.)

Since our dog hadn't done any bidness in the plants, it kind of took us both by surprise. Especially because her tone and words became increasingly threaenting as we stood there with our mouths agape. I was never physically scared (I'm roughly twice this woman's size) but I could see my lady friend begin to get a little flustered. It seems that the woman actually grows things to eat in those plants, or so I surmised by her numerous references to shitting on a plate and feeding it to us as just retribution for allowing our dog in her plants.

Before I get to the worst (or, as I now prefer to view it, most absurd) part, let me say that I do see her side. You work hard on what little greenspace you can manage in the city, of course you're going to get pissed off when every terrier, dingo and hound lays cable in it. I understand, so does my special lady friend, and we make every effort to respect the property of others as well as the general decorum for dog owners in the city.

However, the woman did not have any fencing around the plots, so what did she expect? In addition, this New York freaking city. Every stray cat, every squirrel, and undoubtedly not a few drunks have availed themselves of the use of her little secret garden.

Still and all, no matter what you think of it so far, there's no excuse for what happened next. She was in the middle of her tirade, and her threats were in turn vile and violent. She even went so far as to say that she was going to "follow us home to see where [we] lived" so she could perform any number of scatalogical deviencies to us and our house. It was at this threat that I turned to my special lady and said in my most incredulous voice, "I think this is assault" that the woman turned and started back to her own house. Not before looking at my girl and snarling, "Slant eyes", though.

So the point of this post is to issue a general warning about this person. She certainly gave every impression of being a long time resident, so perhaps some of you are familiar or even friendly with her. Perhaps she's normally a lovely lady who just saw one two many dogs fertilize her plot out of season. I don't know, I don't care, because she also gave every impression of being a crazy person. And a dangerous one at that.

More specifically, for any of you who have dogs, I'd strongly advise you to keep them out of these little gardens. My guess is she's not too far removed from leaving poisoned food in them for dogs to find before their owners realize what it is.
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  • I think anyone threatening to leave poisoned meat out for dogs should be reported to the police, the department of animal care & control, and perhaps the ASPCA as well. Fuck that!

    Here's the contact info for AC&C:
    AC&C – Brooklyn Animal Care Center
    2336 Linden Boulevard
    Brooklyn, NY 11208
    (212) 788 4000
    Shelter Hours: 8:00am to 8:00pm, 7 Days a Week
    Adoption Hours: Noon to 7:00pm, 7 Days a Week
    Closed on All Holidays

    And the ASPCA's number for reporting animal cruelty is (212) 876-7700, ext. 4450.

    Threats like that shouldn't be taken lightly! Honestly, if I were in your shoes, the second she said she was going to follow you home, I hope i'd have the presence of mind (hard to do when you're completely shocked at someone's screeching, I'm sure) to whip out my cell phone, call 911, and follow HER home to get her address if she took off.
  • Pen - is this the house with the rocks?
  • apollonia666 wrote: I think anyone threatening to leave poisoned meat out for dogs should be reported to the police, the department of animal care & control, and perhaps the ASPCA as well. Fuck that!

    Here's the contact info for AC&C:
    AC&C – Brooklyn Animal Care Center
    2336 Linden Boulevard
    Brooklyn, NY 11208
    (212) 788 4000
    Shelter Hours: 8:00am to 8:00pm, 7 Days a Week
    Adoption Hours: Noon to 7:00pm, 7 Days a Week
    Closed on All Holidays

    And the ASPCA's number for reporting animal cruelty is (212) 876-7700, ext. 4450.

    Threats like that shouldn't be taken lightly! Honestly, if I were in your shoes, the second she said she was going to follow you home, I hope i'd have the presence of mind (hard to do when you're completely shocked at someone's screeching, I'm sure) to whip out my cell phone, call 911, and follow HER home to get her address if she took off.
    We only went out for a 10 minute walk, neither of us had our cell phones on us. I really wanted to call 911 and say, "Hello. I am currently being assaulted," and hold the phone up for them to hear her yelling.

    As far as contacting the authorities, I'll talk it over with my lady friend, since most of the violence was directed her way.
  • pensodyssey wrote: We only went out for a 10 minute walk, neither of us had our cell phones on us. I really wanted to call 911 and say, "Hello. I am currently being assaulted," and hold the phone up for them to hear her yelling.
    Dang. Too bad!
    pensodyssey wrote: As far as contacting the authorities, I'll talk it over with my lady friend, since most of the violence was directed her way.
    Please do think about reporting it! The threats weren't only directed at your lady friend -- placing poisoned meat outside would endanger any dog who gets walked on that block and any cat who's allowed outside in that area (yet another argument for keeping your cats inside, I'd say).
  • wanna leave her address here. i'm sure someone will leave her some treats some day down the road.
  • armchair_warrior wrote: wanna leave her address here. i'm sure someone will leave her some treats some day down the road.
    Yeah, that's helpful. :roll:

    The location of the incident is pretty clearly described in the post, and he also explained in the post that he wasn't totally sure which house she came from.
  • Sorry, that's awful.

    As I see it, you have three options:

    1) If you believe the threat about poisoning your dog is credible, you need to report her to the police.
    If you do not think this woman actually intends to poison your dog, you can:
    2) Do nothing.
    3) Provoke her by training your dog to go exclusively on her plants.

    If you knew where she came from, you could return and apologize for letting your dog root around in her plants, and ask that she in turn apologizes to your lady friend. If you were looking for some sort of satisfaction, I would go that route.
  • If it's the lady in the house on the corner with the mural and stones everywhere, I have to say that I have sold her some things in the past, and am friendly with her in a "hello neighbor" kind of way. She is a tiny grey haired lady who's been in the neighborhood for many, many years. Her corner was not one of my dogwalking routes while I lived in PH, too far from the old crib.

    As far as I know her, she's very mild mannered and sweet, if a bit eccentric., so I'm a bit shocked and sorry to hear about your encounter with her. What a shame.

    Fence it and shut up. That's what I say. Seems like Brooklyn is crawling with ladies who think they own the sidewalk.
  • Yo Vickers,

    I just saw your post. Sorry to hear about it bro. Hope she's alright. Well, you know what I know: People can suck all season long. And you know what I know about what I know...

    I'm sure her threat of poisoning the dog is just mostly booze related. If it happens again and you can record it on a cell phone you can report menacing, not assualt. Although there are nice block and great neighbors, yelling death threat's of killing one's dog and also calling someone "slant eyes" are just ugly parts of a smaller person. So don't seek any retaliation.

    Oh, I'm not telling you to forget it, or find it in your heart, bla bla bla, etc. Just push her name up on the cancer wish list.

    Cheers, Karl
  • qtrain wrote: If you knew where she came from, you could return and apologize for letting your dog root around in her plants, and ask that she in turn apologizes to your lady friend. If you were looking for some sort of satisfaction, I would go that route.
    I'm 95% sure she came from the house on the corner. And yeah, it's the one with the rocks. I don't think I want to have anything to do with her from now on. She caught us quite by surprise (and very exhausted), but as anyone here who knows me up close and personal can attest, if you wanna do battle with me, I'll go to the em-effing mattresses.

    SJE-- I thought you might know her, and, since I've seen her on many other occasions and not had problems, I thought she might be pretty normal otherwise. But still, as you say, fence it.
    karl wrote: Oh, I'm not telling you to forget it, or find it in your heart, bla bla bla, etc. Just push her name up on the cancer wish list.
    I'd put her in my death pool but I don't think she counts as a "celebrity".

    Swear to god, it was like something out of Brothers Grimm. Beware the poison dwarf at the crossroads!
  • I think calling the police on a little old lady is a bit of overkill. After the Prospect Pl. hoarder/squalor incident, I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm not a doctor, but I think that dementia associated with old age can lead to the kind of outbursts you endured. Her behavior is sad, but it may not be something she can control.
  • dailyheights wrote: I think calling the police on a little old lady is a bit of overkill. After the Prospect Pl. hoarder/squalor incident, I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm not a doctor, but I think that dementia associated with old age can lead to the kind of outbursts you endured. Her behavior is sad, but it may not be something she can control.
    Okay, I concede. I just found the threat of leaving poisoned meat out REALLY fucked up.
  • Subject: Re: Gentriconfrontation (racist style) and a warning.

    pensodyssey wrote: It seems that the woman actually grows things to eat in those plants, or so I surmised by her numerous references to shitting on a plate and feeding it to us as just retribution for allowing our dog in her plants.
    Anyone who grows their food in a sidewalk garden really needs to have their head examined. I can sort of understand people not wanting a cavalcade of canine pee on their plants, but it's just a fact of city life. It's her fault for not putting a little fencing or border around the plot, to discourage dogs, or even one of those annoying "no puppies please" signs, to discourage dogwalkers. If you're conscientious, as it sounds like you are, and clean up any messes (the other stuff is mostly water anyway), she shouldn't have a problem. What compounds the confrontation, though, are the ethnic and class barbs, which certainly are menacing, and may even count under the hate crime statute (probably an idle threat, but a good retort nonetheless). Regardless, thanks for pointing her out, without actually naming her name; at the least, you've given me a new destination on my dogwalking route.
  • With what WhyFi experienced a month or two ago, it seems that racism towards asians is alive and well in PH.
  • This is not the first time this lady has threatened to kill dogs sniffing around her precious tree wells.

    She is sweet to many people, but then to some she really hauls out the language and threats. I think it's likely that she's demented.
  • dailyheights wrote: I think calling the police on a little old lady is a bit of overkill. After the Prospect Pl. hoarder/squalor incident, I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm not a doctor, but I think that dementia associated with old age can lead to the kind of outbursts you endured. Her behavior is sad, but it may not be something she can control.
    Calling the cops on little old ladies is overkill, but an actual case of dementia changes everything. Many causes of dementia are treatable, and it is important to intervene before someone becomes dangerous to herself or others.

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  • Subject: The Crazy Catr Lady In My Buidling

    I agree wth Q-train. Before you villagers decide to torch the Frankenstein castle, give it some thought.

    Here's a true story. I live near Grand Army Plaza. You might recall an old dishevelled plump lady with a cast yelling at traffic. That was Roberta, the crazy "Cat Lady" in my building. Over the course of five years she had become reclusive and at times violent. She became an angery xenophobic mess, and actually she was more of a danger to herself. She was schizofrenic, we later found out. She used to feed stray cats, buy people coffee, was generally pleasing. Over time she showed sings of paranoia (someone is calling her at all hours of the night, soemone is trying to steal her cats...etc.). She quit bathing, collected more cats (from the street?) and became belligerent towards new neighbors.

    A few of us tried to get Adults Protective Services to interviene but they were slow. One day someone got fed up and called the cops and said she threatened them with a weapon (possibly... books have sharp corners). Remember, the police department's job is to arrest people. So at around 5:00 PM on a Wednesday this is what I saw. Five policemen showed up, they broke her door down with a ram and dragged her off screaming and crying. They strapped her to a gurney and put her into an ambulance and drove away. That was so midievel.

    Ahemmmm... alleged animals lovers... they took her cats away and put them down. The police department does not place animals and you are not allowed to know where they are if you wanted to adopt. That's just policy.

    I think someone should file a complaint about the Gook-hating, dog slayer of Carlton. You have the right. But someone should also try to find out what the real deal is before you assemble the poop squad. It makes sense, no?
  • Did you just say "gook"?
  • BigGuy wrote: Did you just say "gook"?
    Before everything goes kerblooey in here, I'd like to point out that Yarn Guy, who I've met a few times, is of Asian descent himself (if I remember right -- Yarn Guy?) so I imagine he meant it in a more sarcastic way than anything else.
  • apollonia666 wrote: kerblooey
    this totes needs an emoticon.
  • alafairnadia wrote: [quote=apollonia666]kerblooey
    this totes needs an emoticon.

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  • Subject: the "G" word

    BigGuy wrote: Did you just say "gook"?
    Tsk tsk tsk tsk. Ahh yes. It does seem the skin is a bit thin around here.

    Yes I said the "G" word as in "the Gook-hating, dog slayer of Carlton." If you look again, it is in reference to the unfortunate name calling lady that Pen mentioned in his initial post. It's actaully a Korean classifier that means "person". But upon further inspection, Pen's friend is from Singapore.

    In the bigger story, my posting was about schizofrenia.

    Well apollonia666, you blew my cover. It's true, I am from some vague mixed sino lineage. I was trying to pass myself off as a Border Collie of Scottish descent.
  • Just showing a little surprise at seeing that word in broad daylight dude. This is basically a lame form of trolling - throw out the surprising term, wait for someone to say something, act like they are way too delicate. Whatever...
  • Except that Yarn Guy is well known to many of us in "real life". Wrong interpretation, Big Guy.
  • BigGuy wrote: Just showing a little surprise at seeing that word in broad daylight dude. This is basically a lame form of trolling - throw out the surprising term, wait for someone to say something, act like they are way too delicate. Whatever...
    I can see why you found the use of the term alarming, but really, I doubt Yarn Guy meant to stir anything up with it. Doesn't seem his style.

    PS. Yarn Guy, please have a knitting evening soon because my husband is getting sick of being drafted into winding balls of yarn. 8)
  • I'd call it a misunderstanding, not trolling. But it's a reminder that we do need to be mindful that not everyone comes to the table knowing that Yarn Guy is Asian, or that I'm a banana riding a giant slug monster, or whatever, and if you're going to use an inflammatory term you might want to give some context or something.

    And although I already did an "I concede!" post I'd like to add that you guys are right that I was overreacting in suggesting calling the popo. I just was really freaked out by the threat about the poisoned meat, and didn't really stop to think about the fact that this is a little old lady whose bark (pardon the expression) is probably worse than her bite. Man, if someone threatened my cats like that it would be ON LIKE GREY POUPON.
  • I'd call it a misunderstanding, not trolling.
    OK that's cool. Sometimes it seems like people put out inflammatory statements with the intention of leaping out of the bushes later and saying "Aha! I'm gay/asian/black/latino/jewish/arab! I can say that!" I'm glad to hear that was probably not the case here.
  • My husband walks our two dogs by that house almost nightly and has always had positive encounters with that woman... We have a real live Dalmatian and she has a ceramic one. We definitely don't allow the dogs in the sidewalk greenery though: one look and you can tell that someone is furiously - and oddly - working on the greenspace on that block and that house, so it doesn't surprise me that she would defend it.

    Im really sorry that she lashed out at you and your friend in that way though. It sounds like you are coming from the right place.

    This is the second thread about my block of late, which prompted me to stop just reading and start writing here. This section of Bergen is a nice block with decent and generally friendly folk. Your dog can pee out in front of my place any day. :lol:
  • Subject: Wow

    Holy crap! I step out for dinner and all this happens. At risk of using the "G" word again, I'd say read my original post again. Regardless of the ethnicity of any poster, mine or another's, I don't see how anyone could think I meant it as inflamatory or derogatory.

    OK people, let's get this topic back on track.
    1) Pen and lady freind were harrased
    2) Very base comments, threats of poisening dogs and racisl names were yelled Pen's lady friend
    3) Regular viewers are upset, and righfully
    4) Some sort of retaliation was brought up that sounded a bit illegal
    5) The lady who harrased Pen's friend might have dimentia or might possibly be schizofrenic
    6) Some people like this lady, some people don't

    Take it away...

    On a non-related note, EmilyM, I'll post the knitting topic soon, trying to get my schedule in gear. Do you need to borrow the swift or wool winder?
  • Oh, as usual, both. :oops: But for once I have a project that is conducive to talking while knitting--it isn't too complicated--so I'm in a knitting get-together mood. Also I really liked some of the people I met at the last one I went to--which I guess was quite a while ago now.
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