do you feel safe in Clinton Hill?
Do you feel safe in Clinton Hill? I generally feel safe in the neighborhood. More than anything, I use the C train at Fulton/Washington. I do wish there was a little more night time activity in the area though so it doesn't feel quite so deserted when I get home late at night. The walk from the train to Greene can feel pretty dark. Has anyone had any trouble coming home late at night?
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Subject: Kind Of Sketchy I Think
Not that we've had any problems there, we just don't stop at the Clinton/Washington station when we're on the "A" or the "C" train because it is kind of dark and there's not much going on at night there.
If my wife and I are taking the subway home we'll stop at Hoyt and wait for the "G" train instead of staying on the "C" train. -
I've never had a problem, but I generally take a cab if home if I'll arrive in the neighborhood after 10:30p or so. Not because a person or people have ever made me feel unsafe, but because there's no movement whatsoever. There's something creepy about walking down Fulton when everything's closed and there's absolutely no one but you as far as you can see.
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Huh, these responses are so interesting and surprising to read. I (30, white, female) moved here a couple months ago (Gates btw. Washington and Bedford) and from the beginning I always felt it was safe enough to walk from the Clinton/Washington stop at all hours of the day or night. I realize this is a tricky question because "risk" is so subjective, but would people who have lived here longer say that's an undue risk?
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Subject: Re: do you feel safe in Clinton Hill?
bw wrote: Do you feel safe in Clinton Hill? I generally feel safe in the neighborhood. More than anything, I use the C train at Fulton/Washington. I do wish there was a little more night time activity in the area though so it doesn't feel quite so deserted when I get home late at night. The walk from the train to Greene can feel pretty dark. Has anyone had any trouble coming home late at night?
I've lived here since 1999 and I get off at Fulton/Washington too. Never had any problems. My wife and I just walked home from Dean St. Cafe tonight and Fulton street was deserted, foggy night and all that. No problems, we felt safe, though we avoided a couple of guys fighting. Just keep your eyes open, you'll be alright. Just be thankful you don't live in Park Slope, now that's dangerous! -
Subject: CH safe at night
I am not comfortable on the C train at night. The station at Wash/Fulton is too deserted for my taste. If I'm out at night, I take a cab home. I look forward to Fulton getting some stores that I actually want to go into...fresh fruit/veggies, a real deli, bakery, etc. -
I've never had any problems on the C or in Clinton Hill in the past 5 years, but do keep your eyes open as others have said.
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I moved here from the Lower East Side, and I had lived on the LES for 12 years. Before then, I grew up in rural Connecticut, and THAT got deserted at night. I'm good in this neighborhood. Granted, I'm always alert late at night, and I have a couple streets I'd think twice about before going to at night, but other than that...
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We've lived here for 1.5 years and we've never had trouble (knock on wood) at the C or G clinton/washington stops. Or the B54, 61 or 38 buses.
I'd say that half the time coming from Manhattan late at night we take cabs, just out of convenience.
As others said, I remain very aware, I don't listen to headphones, I act calm and relaxed, and there are definitely blocks I avoid (ie anything near any of the projects) -
Funny question to ask after moving into the hood. I guess you bought into the gentrification hype. I've lived on Washington (Bet. Greene & Lafayette for 19 years.) Not much has changed. There's still shattered auto glass in the streets, people are still getting mugged or worse. Recently there has been more panhandlers frequenting the area. That's not a good omen. Angela, you should defintiely rethink walking on Fulton between Washington and Bedford especialy at night. Have any of you ever wondered why the people who you saw when you moved into the area aren't out walking around after certain hours?? Be Safe!
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*blink*
Well, okay, there are some things that people just shouldn't do here, and people should always have a certain degree of awareness anywhere in the city and it's not like you can cartwheel naked down the street and expect to be unobserved, but on the other hand, I don't think the neighborhood is like something out of Escape From New York or The Warriors, either. -
Do you guys think this is mostly a race issue? The people who seem most scared about walking at night are whites. I'm a 34 year old black female who lives alone and often make food runs on Fulton late at night. Usually those hanging out are black men and the occasional white guy making a beer run. Once a black man tried to talk to me and told me I had nothing to fear because I was a black woman. I would only be the target of someone wanting to talk with me (which has been my experience). On the other hand I have a white co worker who was a Pratt student. She had friends who were mugged twice on their way to visit her. She moved to Cobble Hill.
It's interesting to me how race and sex impacts your worldview. -
supergirl wrote: It's interesting to me how race and sex impacts your worldview.
I think it's very interesting too.
However I'm also encouraged that most people in this post feel safe in FG/CH at all hours, they're just cautious too. -
CHDiva is being a bit of a drama queen. I've been here for over five years and neither me, nor my wife or any of our friends have had any problems in the neighborhood, including on Fulton Street. Also, who walks from Washington to Bedford? There are two more subway stops (Franklin and Nostrand) closer to Bedford in Bed Stuy, so I'm not sure why you would ever walk that far.
That said, you do need to be aware of your surroundings like others have said. As far as broken auto glass, I have seen that too. I have had friends who've had their car stolen twice in Brooklyn Heights, go figure. Overall, it is a safe neighborhood, but be alert and you should avoid most problems. -
supergirl wrote: Do you guys think this is mostly a race issue? The people who seem most scared about walking at night are whites. I'm a 34 year old black female who lives alone and often make food runs on Fulton late at night. Usually those hanging out are black men and the occasional white guy making a beer run. Once a black man tried to talk to me and told me I had nothing to fear because I was a black woman. I would only be the target of someone wanting to talk with me (which has been my experience). On the other hand I have a white co worker who was a Pratt student. She had friends who were mugged twice on their way to visit her. She moved to Cobble Hill.
Ummm, I don't buy it, I think blacks and whites are victimized equally and have their own private fears. My wife and I are white, middle aged, and harmless and generally we're not afraid to walk around at night, but we are careful.
It's interesting to me how race and sex impacts your worldview. -
supergirl wrote: Do you guys think this is mostly a race issue? The people who seem most scared about walking at night are whites. I'm a 34 year old black female who lives alone and often make food runs on Fulton late at night. Usually those hanging out are black men and the occasional white guy making a beer run. Once a black man tried to talk to me and told me I had nothing to fear because I was a black woman. I would only be the target of someone wanting to talk with me (which has been my experience). On the other hand I have a white co worker who was a Pratt student. She had friends who were mugged twice on their way to visit her. She moved to Cobble Hill.
I think it's more of a socio-economic issue as compared to race and gender.
It's interesting to me how race and sex impacts your worldview.
Being aware of your surroundings and those around you is the best advice. Turn off the iPod at night and save the engrossing phone conversations for when you get home. -
supergirl wrote: Do you guys think this is mostly a race issue? The people who seem most scared about walking at night are whites. I'm a 34 year old black female who lives alone and often make food runs on Fulton late at night. Usually those hanging out are black men and the occasional white guy making a beer run. Once a black man tried to talk to me and told me I had nothing to fear because I was a black woman. I would only be the target of someone wanting to talk with me (which has been my experience). On the other hand I have a white co worker who was a Pratt student. She had friends who were mugged twice on their way to visit her. She moved to Cobble Hill.
It's interesting to me how race and sex impacts your worldview.
I'm a black female and I don't walk around the neighborhood late at night. Like I said, the area near the Clinton/Washington C train stop is too deserted for me to feel comfortable. If I had no choice but to walk around, I'd do it (and I have) but I'd rather take a cab or stay in than be sorry. -
Drama Queen, I don't think so Ip. I speak from experience. " You all should "Keep Your Heads Up."
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Sorry CHDiva, not trying to offend you. I agree, people should be careful, but to say the area is the same as it was 19 years ago is not true.
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Subject: Nightcrawling
I've been living in CH for 7 months now. I walk from Washington to Grand and walk along Gates rather than Fulton. It is still very deserted at night, but I feel safer on a residential street than on a commercial one after-hours. I've never had a personal experience to make me feel nervous (knock on wood), but I admit to reading the police blotter in the local paper and a couple months ago there was a flyer on my corner, written by a woman who was mugged right there, warning women to beware. Also, the first few months of living on Grand, the whole block below me was blocked off with police tape while they were cracking down on a some local drug dealers. Remember that anyone?
All that being said, I do take the subway late. I don't listen to headphones, I don't talk on the phone, I walk briskly, and I switch sides of the street depending on my company. Not to be selfish or anything, but if more of you guys took the subway at night, I'd have more company to walk home next to - safety in numbers, right? Anyone?
I love this neighborhood and I just remind myself that this stuff happens everywhere. My sister's neighbor was mugged right in the entrance of her building and she lives in Manhattan on Houston and Ave.B with tons of people always around... -
a friend of mine was attacked on her stoop at about 7:30pm on a weeknight. her house is near the corner of grand and gates. the guy was out on parole and had just met with his PO, had a couple of hours before curfew so he grabbed her and tried to drag her under the stairs. she fought back and made as much of a ruckus as possible. he didn't let go until her landlady looked out the window. he ran off but he dropped his cellphone, which was used to track him down. he's back on riker's island now and my friend is moving out of the neighborhood. but honestly, this could happen anywhere.
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The one and only time I have ever been mugged in my entire 18 years of living in New York City, I was mugged on the corner of 9th Street and 5th Avenue in Manhattan.
The neighborhood itself has less to do with whether or not you're mugged as your own behavior does. -
I hate when people use the excuse to justify crimes by saying: "i got robbed in broad daylight in park slope" but the thing is, you live in a neighborhood with higher crime, so stop trying to put blinders on and do something about it. It didnt happen "ANYWHERE" it happened in Clinton Hill, in YOUR hood.
People wonder why old timers get mad at the "new timers." When shit like this goes down, you run out the neighborhood. And it looks all so reminiscent of the earlier days when whitey left the neighborhood for shit years ago. Leaving it to lack of services and crime... all what you're bitching about now. -
Subject: Racism is Alive!
Anonymous wrote: I hate when people use the excuse to justify crimes by saying: "i got robbed in broad daylight in park slope" but the thing is, you live in a neighborhood with higher crime, so stop trying to put blinders on and do something about it. It didnt happen "ANYWHERE" it happened in Clinton Hill, in YOUR hood.
Now that's not too racist now is it.
People wonder why old timers get mad at the "new timers." When shit like this goes down, you run out the neighborhood. And it looks all so reminiscent of the earlier days when whitey left the neighborhood for shit years ago. Leaving it to lack of services and crime... all what you're bitching about now.
Perhaps you should read a few more of the comments in the thread and you'll see that people have mentioned that it's important to be aware of your surroundings no matter where you are.
You might also see how I, and others, have said that it's not a racial issue but a socio-economic issue.
It's all quite easy to hurl abuse at others in an anonymous forum but it's another thing to actually get involved and offer concrete solutions. -
Subject: Re: do you feel safe in Clinton Hill?
Kevin_on_Putnam wrote: Just be thankful you don't live in Park Slope, now that's dangerous!
Hey! You take that back!
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Anonymous wrote: When shit like this goes down, you run out the neighborhood.
...I don't think anyone has said anything about moving out of the neighborhood.
and, I find it interesting that someone who is casting dispersion on people who want to pull up stakes can't be arsed to stake a claim to their words by signing in here. -
Subject: Safety in Clinton Hill
I've said it once and I'll say it again: Whites are actually safer in these areas than Blacks. The criminal element knows the difference in the police investigations and enforcement techniques that will apply if the victim is white (god forbid a white woman) as opposed to black. I own a couple of brownstones in Bedford-Stuyvesant and have both black and white tenants. I'm often amazed at the risks my white tenants take; they clearly take risks that I or other blacks I know would not take. -
Can you give any examples, Brooklyn Boi? Just out of curiosity.
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It has been said before but perhaps it needs to be repeated: Getting robbed/mugged can happen anywhere in nyc. It depends less on your community than it does if you look like a sucker. I work in East New York, which is by far one of the worse and most dangerous communities in NYC and nothing ever happens to me...*knocks on wood*
Futhermore, as a resident of CH I walk home late at least once a week (and at times slightly under the influence) and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. Walking down fulton street late at night is pretty safe because there is always activity, either cars or fellow nightcrawlers. To me, this is one of the safest neighborhoods in NYC and a robbery or mugging is extremely rare in this area.
Sometimes, sh!t happens... -
I disagree with Brookly Boi and "guest" above. I have white and black friends who have been mugged and the cops were just as jaded and matter-of-fact in both cases. None of the crimes were solved. The "inequality" argument sounds nice in theory, but in my experience it doesn't measure up in reality.
I think that the area is a major component of violent crime. Sure, crime can occur anywhere, but people, regardless of race, gender, etc. are far more likely to be victimized in places like Brownsville and East New York than in Fort Greene or Kensington. -
Subject: Re: Safety in Clinton Hill
Brooklyn Boi wrote: I've said it once and I'll say it again: Whites are actually safer in these areas than Blacks. The criminal element knows the difference in the police investigations and enforcement techniques that will apply if the victim is white (god forbid a white woman) as opposed to black. I own a couple of brownstones in Bedford-Stuyvesant and have both black and white tenants. I'm often amazed at the risks my white tenants take; they clearly take risks that I or other blacks I know would not take.
Stop Making sense. Please. It's a cultural thing...taking risks with authority.
Some people are too nearsighted to look at this in a historical context.
No of us are old enough to remember when Black citizens were humiliated, hung, tortured, kidnapped, raped for looking at, or simply "disrespecting" a white woman.
Because Blacks are so disjointed and the mentality is so messed up (in terms of racial and economic issues) we don't remind people of racism, slavery and discrimination...much like the jews and the holacaust...enough for people to even take it seriously.
But like i said...stop making sense.
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