Chiles and Chocolate - awesome Oaxacan restaurant at 7th/Lin
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Subject: Disappointed
I just walked in from eating at Chocolate and Chiles...it was one of the worst eating experiences of my restaurant-going life. it began by waiting fifteen minutes for an empty table (only after having the ONE choice table given to a man who came in AFTER we did) to get cleared off, and it only got worse from there.
We ordered black beans, rice, tortillas and green beans and the veggie absote dish. After waiting over 40 minutes for our food to arrive, we came to realize that "green beans" meant snow peas (yes, we know...not typical mexican fare), black beans meant "red beans" (which is what we were told we would get instead) but were actually brought cold, flavorless refried pinto beans, and rice (which was hard, cold and flavorless). We had to ask for a side order of guacamole because even though the menu claimed that the absote came with it, we were later told that the menu was wrong, and that the dish, in fact, did not. While we waited at least 15 minutes to make use of the house bottle opener (BYOB is happily displayed on the front door because, you guessed it! they have no liquor license) and waited at least 45 minutes for cold food and an order of warmed over tortillas that we were charged $5 for, the waitress stood in the back, swilling coffee and eating food (our food? who knows..it sure took long enough to get it).
while we understand that the restaurant is new and that we did not order meat (as we are vegetarian) or the featured dish - mole, is it too much to expect decent service, a menu that reflects what will actually be served, and warm, flavorful food????
i am completely baffled by the good reviews, i can only guess that you have never had the pleasure of eating real mexican food and therefore have nothing to compare the Chile y chocolate experience to. -
Subject: Re: Disappointed
Chilanga Traveler wrote: i am completely baffled by the good reviews, i can only guess that you have never had the pleasure of eating real mexican food and therefore have nothing to compare the Chile y chocolate experience to.
I'm sorry you were disappointed with your dining experience, but that's no reason for the ugly attack. I assure you, although I have not been to Mexico, I have had real Mexican food. It sounds like a lot of what ruined your meal had nothing to do with the food. And you could really have ordered better. Not to excuse the place, or discredit what you've said about what you ate. Inconsistency is certainly a critical problem for a restaurant. But unless you got the same menu items as the people who wrote good reviews, you have no basis to question those opinions. I don't think that anyone here raved about the items you ordered. -
Honestly, I think we all just have to face the fact that here in NYC we will rarely, if not NEVER, get "real" Mexican food. I lived in Mexico for around 5 months or so with family, and have been back since. I have never even come close to tasting anything here like what they have there. I am not saying the food at the Mexican restaurants here tastes bad, but you can't expect it to be truly authentic.
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"Authenticity" is such a crock. You can eat terrible, terrible food in Mexico that is very authentic (try: most backyard barbacoa in Chihuahua). What matters to me is whether or not it's very good. But anyway it doesn't seem to be here.
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Finn wrote: "Authenticity" is such a crock. You can eat terrible, terrible food in Mexico that is very authentic (try: most backyard barbacoa in Chihuahua). What matters to me is whether or not it's very good. But anyway it doesn't seem to be here.
Did you try the elotes or the salpicon de la sierra with beef? -
I *still* haven't made it over there, but this makes it sound pretty good to me . . . one of the cheffies cooked at Alma?? I love their duck...
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/364550 -
I think they are working out their kinks (I've had take-out twice) and will be a great place very soon. This is not just Mexican food, it's Oaxacan food...a very regional cuisine. Cheers to to them for taking a chance here....
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pitu wrote: Flores y Tamales on 4th Ave (10/11th St) . . . . that shack has the bestest around here for $1.50 a pop
whoa.. never heard of this place. Are they good for take-out other than tamales? What's the place like? -
For the record, my intent was not to attack. In fact, I have never posted a negative review of a restaurant, but the overall experience was so exceptionally bad that I was moved to do so.
While I understand that we did not order the mole or a meat dish, which may be very good, we did have rice, beans, and tortillas as a part of our meals and these simple staples were flavorless (and cold and hard in the case of the $5 tortillas) and served 45 minutes after we ordered them. The fact that our simple, vegetarian food took 45 minutes to get to our table was not acknowledged by the wait staff.
So it was the combination of mediocre food, negligent service, and an oblivious staff that prompted my posting. I recognize that the restaurant is new and I am sure that some of these issues will improve with time, but it is very annoying to have to pay for such a disappointing experience. -
anyone have a pdf of the menu? I want to check and see if they have 2 of my favorite Oaxacan dishes.
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alafairnadia wrote: anyone have a pdf of the menu? I want to check and see if they have 2 of my favorite Oaxacan dishes.
I have a paper copy and no functioning scanner -- what are you looking for?
If it's tres leches cake, the answer is yes.
If it's chiles rellenos stuffed with picadillo, the answer is yes and no.
the menu lists chicken picadillo, not pork. that's crazy talk!
They say they'll have weekly specials - I say put in a request . . -
My scanner isn't working, but I have the menu, and if you tell what the dishes are, I can check to see if they have them for you.
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Subject: 2 pesos
Well I have to add my 2 pesos in. I had high hopes for this place, but I too am among the disappointed-- I confess I didn't try the raved-about dishes. I had the chicken marinated in mole sauce, and it was especially dry (noticing a lot of posters mentioned dried-out food). The refried beans were tasteless, and the yellow rice was nothing special, and though I've not been to Oaxaca, I too was disappointed to see these very routine sides on my plate.
I gave it another go (was completely drawn in by the lovely signage and decor)--this time for brunch. Even worse. I had the scrambled eggs with cilantro, etc. The food was cold and really so-so.
Both times the place has been freezing but they were installing a curtain so maybe that will help.
Generally speaking, the staff seems well-meaning but overwhelmed. The owner/manager, who apparently owns Artesania too, was not on the premises. I'd think he would be welcoming people in during the restaurant's first two weeks.
It's a great idea -- hearty, homey regional food in a nicely designed little space. But so far I'm not impressed ... debating whether I should return once more for that coloradito...
PS I did like the flan ... it was particularly rich and creamy (is that Oaxacan flan? not sure ... and as the staff isn't Mexican, there's no one there to ask ..)
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I'd love to know if they have green mole and also if they have the Oaxacan tamales with green olives in them. gracias.
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mole verde is indeed on the menu, but I don't know about green olive tamales . . . and I have to say I never saw them in Oaxaca either, where I did extensive food research . . .

green olive makes me think empanadas (Argentine) or pastelles (Dom Rep./P.R...Cuba?)
Anyway early word on the C&C tamales is 1. dry 2. expensive, so get off the R train at 9th St and 4th Ave and get thee some banana wrapped heaven at Flor Y Tamal shack on 4th Ave (10/11th St) -
pitu wrote: mole verde is indeed on the menu, but I don't know about green olive tamales . . . and I have to say I never saw them in Oaxaca either, where I did extensive food research . . .
the Oaxacan tamales I had were actually in a private home in Monterrey (Northern Mexico) - the family's chef was from Oaxaca. the tamales were really cool: they were far larger than "normal" and stuffed with chicken, chiles, nopales and whole, pitted green olives. when I asked the chef if the tamales were traditional, b/c I'd never seen them before, she said they were typical Oaxacan tamales. I'm not a huge fan of tamales that are sold in restaurants/on the street, because I have major gristle issues and I know people are much more careful with the tamale filling they're making for themselves/their families. I would never order tamales in a restaurant in Oaxaca, so I have no clue if they are authentic. but those tamales were basically the best I've ever eaten and just delish.
green olive makes me think empanadas (Argentine) or pastelles (Dom Rep./P.R...Cuba?)
Anyway early word on the C&C tamales is 1. dry 2. expensive, so get off the R train at 9th St and 4th Ave and get thee some banana wrapped heaven at Flor Y Tamal shack on 4th Ave (10/11th St)
and I make a mean mole verde but rarely see it on menus. I'll give it a shot.
yay, I got to say authentic.


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alafairnadia wrote: I would never order tamales in a restaurant in Oaxaca . . .
every time I had tamales in a private home in OAX, the muchacha had picked them up down the block at the mercado. modern world.....
but seriously dude, those 4th Ave ones are like corn custard with green fire.alafairnadia wrote:
pumpkin seed or the other kind? the only recipe I have is out of one of those Bayless books. But it's good...velvety.
and I make a mean mole verde but rarely see it on menus. I'll give it a shot.
yay, I got to say authentic.



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pitu wrote: ...so get off the R train at 9th St and 4th Ave and get thee some banana wrapped heaven at Flor Y Tamal shack on 4th Ave (10/11th St)
thanks for the suggestion, pitu. i love tamales, but i'm absolutely clueless as to where the good ones are hiding. sounds like a good place to walk to when the weather gets a little bit warmer! -
pitu wrote: [quote=alafairnadia] I would never order tamales in a restaurant in Oaxaca . . .
every time I had tamales in a private home in OAX, the muchacha had picked them up down the block at the mercado. modern world.....
but seriously dude, those 4th Ave ones are like corn custard with green fire.
I may give the 4th Ave ones a shot but I'd need to dissect them.
and I guess there are distinct advantages to having a personal chef or an industrious abuelita ....pitu wrote:
pumpkin seed or the other kind? the only recipe I have is out of one of those Bayless books. But it's good...velvety.
[quote=alafairnadia]
and I make a mean mole verde but rarely see it on menus. I'll give it a shot.
yay, I got to say authentic.



hm. mine is the jalapenos, pumpkin seeds, greens and chicken broth version. what's the other? -
i like the ones on 4th ave fine, but what i miss are the ones my guatemalan neighbor in chicago made, wrapped in banana leaves, with rib meat (pork), a little pruney sauce blotch at one end, and yes, one perfect pitted green olive in each one.
sigh. i suppose that's one of those not-sold-in-stores abuelita things. -
Yeah, my mom's chicken tamales also have a whole green olive in it. She's from Zacatecas.
Alafairnadia, I would loooove to see your mole recipe. Can you PM me it?? I've been trying to recreate my mom's mole, but typical of a old-school cook, she doesn't have a recipe written down anywhere and she's horrible at explaining her ingredients. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=pitu][quote=alafairnadia] I would never order tamales in a restaurant in Oaxaca . . .
every time I had tamales in a private home in OAX, the muchacha had picked them up down the block at the mercado. modern world.....
but seriously dude, those 4th Ave ones are like corn custard with green fire.
I may give the 4th Ave ones a shot but I'd need to dissect them.
and I guess there are distinct advantages to having a personal chef or an industrious abuelita ....pitu wrote:
pumpkin seed or the other kind? the only recipe I have is out of one of those Bayless books. But it's good...velvety.
[quote=alafairnadia]
and I make a mean mole verde but rarely see it on menus. I'll give it a shot.
yay, I got to say authentic.



hm. mine is the jalapenos, pumpkin seeds, greens and chicken broth version. what's the other?
the other: tomatillos, cliantro, some kind of green chiles . . . not sure if there's nuts, but there's not pumpkin seeds -
pitu wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=pitu][quote=alafairnadia]
pumpkin seed or the other kind? the only recipe I have is out of one of those Bayless books. But it's good...velvety.
and I make a mean mole verde but rarely see it on menus. I'll give it a shot.
yay, I got to say authentic.



hm. mine is the jalapenos, pumpkin seeds, greens and chicken broth version. what's the other?
the other: tomatillos, cliantro, some kind of green chiles . . . not sure if there's nuts, but there's not pumpkin seeds
actually, I'm an idiot - that's the same one. I haven't made it in a few years but tomatillos and cilantro are also components. glad I haven't made it in a long time - I'd have fucked it up. I should really write this stuff down. -
Does the new Oaxacan restaurant have a website? Is their menu online?
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FYI, review and some pics online now at Gothamist.com:
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wondering if they are planning to change the awning out front to alert people walking by that this is chiles and chocolate....i've almost totally walked by it a couple times and barely noticed it was there.
i think some improved signage would be great for this little place. -
The tamales at Cafe Mexicano on Union are good.
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Anyone been here recently? Thinking of going for the first time tonight.
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It's been getting good reviews on Chowhound...except those tamales.
Cafe Mexicano on Union has been closed for months. -
I had delivery, and it was AWESOME.
okay, I am in love with the chiles rellenos with cheese and tres leches cake was sooo good! My husband loved his foods as well. We were giddy after the meal!
We order from the magain the next night, I had the mahi mahi and he had the shrimp. Both were light and fresh and came with yummy green bean and a mango salsa thing. Good and healthy. Although I plan to order the chiles rellenos with cheese over and over again. I adore chiles rellenos, and have tried them all over the slope. I like these best!
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