Stop sign at Carlton and Prospect Place
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Report your feeling of impending doom to the Highway Safety Sergeant at the 77. He is responsible for traffic enforcement, accident reports, hazardous locations, etc.
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A campaign to 311 might not hurt either...
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I think this is a problem too. I think hhe person to contact is Ms. McLean at the 77th Precinct. She's the Community Affairs liaison, and her number is 718-735-0634.
I'm VP of the Prospect Place Block Association, and I would be glad to go the the precinct to share these sorts of concerns. I'm sure other block associations would be glad to deal with this sort of thing as well. -
The same thing happens at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Washington. I call it stoptional. If the police would ticket people who don't stop, we would have enough in the budget to fix a lot.
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quig wrote: The same thing happens at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Washington. I call it stoptional. If the police would ticket people who don't stop, we would have enough in the budget to fix a lot.
There are already two cops who have the sole purpose of written moving violations in the 77. The write approx 15 tickets a day. There is often a car out after 6:00pm that also only writes moving violations. I guess even with all of those cops writing tickets, they just can't be everywhere all the time.
Det. McLean is a good idea but the Highway Safety Sgt. has the ability to direct his summons people to a certain location whereas Det. McLean does not. -
The stop(tional) sign at Butler and Sterling is awful. Maybe it's the weird street angle or the width of the intersection, but man you gotta look both ways there.
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I was going to nominate the one at Eastern and Underhill. You'd think people would realize that there are a lot of stop signs by the time they get to that last one, but no.
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quig wrote: I call it stoptional.
that is extremely clever, quig! nice one
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Subject: another vote for Underhill & EPA
Stoptional, hell, half the drivers during morning rush hour don't even slow down on the utility road.
I've nearly been clipped and have seen near-misses when crossing with my dog. Lots of parents with strollers & small children at that intersection too.
Would calling Tish help at all, or would she simply refer us all back to the 77th? -
sterling2000 wrote: The stop(tional) sign at Butler and Sterling is awful. Maybe it's the weird street angle or the width of the intersection, but man you gotta look both ways there.
That's an awkward sign. Regardless if you come to a full stop (which one should), you still have to do a rolling stop just to get to a point where you can see if cars are coming.
What I consider the worst is in Park Slope: Where St. Johns meets Flatbush, by the 2/3 GAP entrance. There's a steady red light, which people generally obey, but when it's flashing and the cars get to merge onto Flatbush is where it gets hairy with drivers trying to get onto Flatbush before the light changes.
Both drivers and pedestrians have to be careful on that corner and I never wait to cross close to the street. Disaster waiting to happen. -
Emily wrote: I was going to nominate the one at Eastern and Underhill. You'd think people would realize that there are a lot of stop signs by the time they get to that last one, but no.
There are some very aggressive drivers in SUVs at that Underhill/Eastern Parkway service road crossing, and they have the nerve to get a nasty attitude if you are reluctant to cross the street with their fast-moving behemoths bearing down on you like killer rhinos. Like I am supposed to risk my life so as not to inconvenience them. God forbid they should have to slow down at the sign, never mind come to a full stop. -
The worst one is the one at Park Place and Carlton (near the subway). They could put a cop there and make enough money in a week to cover NYC's budget.
Selective enforcement of the intersections in question won't stop cars from not stopping when there isn't a cop there.
Basically, if you really want the cars to stop at Carlton and Prospect Place you're going to have to get a traffic light put in. -
I think those who want a stop light at Prospect & Carlton will be getting their wish pretty soon. Last fall DOT had traffic counters on both PP and Carlton for about 2 weeks. This is usually the first sign that they are considering a light.
A actually think a light there is a bad idea. While it is true that 90% of the cars going through there do the rolling stop, very few actually run it at full speed. And yes, I know they bear down on you when you want to cross and make you feel like a sitting duck but they still stop and let you cross. I've gotten my share of sneers. Who cares. If they feel inconvenienced that's their problem. I've lived on Prospect between Vandy and Carlton for 7 years and rarely see a full blown running of the stop sign. In fact I don't think that behavior at that stop sign is any worse than any other stop in any other City. Every City has it's share of accidents from people runnning stop signs...NYC does not have a monopoly on idiots and morons.
The reason I think a light is a bad idea is because it will encourage even more speeding. Cars will be racing to make the green or beat the yellow and will really go speeding through the intersection. Don't believe me go stand at any intersection on Seventh Ave. for a few light changes and watch those cars come up the side streets trying to beat the light. I actually think that speeding is a much bigger and much more dangerous problem around the neighborhood than rolling stops. I think because the streets are wider over here cars routinely speed with impunity. At least now they have to slow down for the "rolling stop". With a light they won't necessarily have to stop (and they will try hard not too) and I'll bet there will be alot more accidents at that corner than there are now. -
Dr F wrote:
This is the reason I have such a problem with cars not being able to make a right on red. In Manhattan, I get it, but everywhere else, it should be allowed. People speed to make the light. If they could chillax knowing they could make the freaking turn whenever it was clear, they would slow down.
The reason I think a light is a bad idea is because it will encourage even more speeding. Cars will be racing to make the green or beat the yellow and will really go speeding through the intersection. Don't believe me go stand at any intersection on Seventh Ave. for a few light changes and watch those cars come up the side streets trying to beat the light. I actually think that speeding is a much bigger and much more dangerous problem around the neighborhood than rolling stops. I think because the streets are wider over here cars routinely speed with impunity. At least now they have to slow down for the "rolling stop". With a light they won't necessarily have to stop (and they will try hard not too) and I'll bet there will be alot more accidents at that corner than there are now. -
How about speed bumps all the way down Carlton until Pacific St.? That shoudl take care of everything.
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Dr F wrote: A actually think a light there is a bad idea. While it is true that 90% of the cars going through there do the rolling stop, very few actually run it at full speed . . .The reason I think a light is a bad idea is because it will encourage even more speeding . . . With a light they won't necessarily have to stop (and they will try hard not too) and I'll bet there will be alot more accidents at that corner than there are now.
Personally I think that if a light goes on that corner it will cause more problems for the residents than drivers. Since Sterling (bet. Flat and Carlton is much shorter than the other blocks), the light will have to be timed with the light on Flatbush otherwise you wind up with the backup similar to what happens on Bergen (by the precinct) causing drivers to block the intersection and drivers sitting on their horns at drivers in front of them.
While as both a pedestrian and driver I agree also with doublediamond that it is a hard place to really look at all four corners - it is also very dimly lit. -
Subject: Prospect and Carlton stop sign
I live on this block and both as a pedestrian and as an occasional motorist think that a pedestrian WILL be killed at the intersection sometime soon. Too many drivers are on their F$%^^&*&ing phones, or are too busy racing other cars on the block, to even think stopping is a requirement. Even more important than a light here (which would stop cars from using Carlton like an alternative highway to get around traffic on Flatbush) would be TWO lights: one at Carlton and Park and the other at Carlton and Prospect. Placing lights at these intersections, which are both potentially lethal to crosswalking pedestrians, would greatly decrease potential dangers.
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