How do you justify....

bklyngirl wrote: VOLUME, VOLUME, VOLUME

The big retailers can sell for a lot less because they can purchase inventory for their entire chain, rather than just one small store. This can result in significant price cuts. Your neighborhood bodega buys full wholesale at Jetro, which, although cheap, is still about double what a large chain store pays for their goods.

The lower prices result in a larger volume of sales, which in turn brings in a larger amount of revenue overall

Ah - so price is everything! Thank you for your valuable economic insight!

ps - don't open a business anytime soon.

bklyngirl wrote: price and convenience, yes. And I do own a (successful) local business, thank you.

FTW!


WhyFi, I think you just got PWNED!

Subject: BwaaHaHaHaHa ... Economics 101

In order to claim Brooklyn status, Brooklyn Girl, you need to slow down on your use of Economics 101, and start formulating a broader, more thoughtful perspective ... perhaps a little deeper than supply and demand, price and convenience. Crying "BwaaHaHaHaHa" will get you no-where.

First of all, I am the "hipster" before you got here, so don't make the mistake that somehow the people before you "don't get it." We've been here for 35 years+ attempting to bring decency and community to the wonderful place you now call home. Show some respect, and some ask questions instead of just answering them with your valuable economics 101.

Second of all, corporations are successful for a number of reasons. But make no mistake about corporations coming to Brooklyn ... they look to displace and take what is now NOT THEIRS TO TAKE. As a business owner, I am surprised by your lack of concern.



I have a question for you: bklyngirl (I know you can answer)

Do you know how many people are being pushed out of this neighborhood because people like yourself, who claim to understand the workings of the local economy, don't care enough about the effects of change on the community as a whole?

So what if Whole Foods, or Walmart, are more efficient? The valuable dollars once flowing to local businesses will eventually end up somewhere else. And it won't be here ... not here in Brooklyn. And not in your pocket ... perhaps neither.

So ... BwaaHaHaHaHa, take anything you want BklynGirl .... take it all. Take the park, take the safety, take the culture, take the commerce ... take it. You probably are beautiful and worth it.

Just leave the this battle to protect the Slope to the people who actually care, and have a personal and an economic stake in the issue. Efficiency and quality are two very different things, and pulling out economics 101 is just another way of saying "I don't give a shit about my neighbors."

Think it over before you decide to put your heal in people's lives like it was nothing but a thing. And next time, if you respect my opinion, I might give you reciprocal respect.

A lot of FD truck hate is just gentrification-hate in disguise.

The original poster is a troll but i'm glad this post inspired some real conversation.

I agree Fresh Direct would be better if they were carbon neutral. I happen to be carbon neutral, fwiw, and I use Fresh Direct, so if everyone who used them was so, would there be any problem? I've set up three fresh direct orders this week, just because of this thread.

I just got an order delivered today, placed in large part because of this thread. I mean, it's all stuff I was going to get anyway, but I probably would have put it off for a while.

I got 2 pounds of fresh shrimp for $12 and they weren't all hazy looking and sitting in a styrofoam tray filled with shrimp juice. The produce was all quite nice. I got a box of clementines and they all look perfect. Ditto the grapes, radishes, onions, endives, etc. And no one else around here even carries that Schaller and Weber slab bacon. And it was really nice not to have to carry all the beverages and cans of beans and tomatoes home.

I heart Fresh Direct!

Carnivore wrote: I just got an order delivered today, placed in large part because of this thread. I mean, it's all stuff I was going to get anyway, but I probably would have put it off for a while.

I got 2 pounds of fresh shrimp for $12 and they weren't all hazy looking and sitting in a styrofoam tray filled with shrimp juice. The produce was all quite nice. I got a box of clementines and they all look perfect. Ditto the grapes, radishes, onions, endives, etc. And no one else around here even carries that Schaller and Weber slab bacon. And it was really nice not to have to carry all the beverages and cans of beans and tomatoes home.

I heart Fresh Direct!

Cool. I'm glad they didn't screw it up.

I hadn't ordered in months either, but now they have these weekly "president's picks" (stuff that's on sale for the week) which the bargain hunter in me can't pass up. I got the Tilapia a couple weeks ago and it was ridiculously good. Stupidly cheap too.

As I mentioned in another thread, Fresh Direct doesn't want me and I don't really want them. Still, it's tempting to order from them just to hear their trucks idle outside and know that someone, somewhere is working themselves into a self-righteous snit over it. Now that's shopping satisfaction!

alafairnadia wrote: the president's picks are my downfall. I mean, I'm single for chrissakes - how many pork loins can I eat myself? (especially b/c I tossed the stupid thing in the freezer BEFORE cutting it into one person servings and covering the chunks in marinade)

oops! I've done that before :oops:

Yeah, I bought 4 of one thing this week. Maybe that was a bad idea...fish doesn't freeze/thaw too well. Looks like its fish all weekend! Grilled fish, fried fish, fish tacos, fish salad, baked fish, fish pudding, fish gumbo...

Subject: Fresh Direct

Hmmmm...this is all very interesting, but I get the sense that this thread still needs to more formally distinguish either side of the issue: on the one side we have the big box, greedy corporate/franchise inter-sloping polluters vs the tree-hugging, low-VOC organically grown locals. But let me paint a semi-realistic scenario for you all that might clarify things a bit.

There once was a big corporate real estate developer who had recently been approved to erect a rather large structure on the edge of town to the chagrin of the local neighborhood. But being the smart MBA-types that they were, the corporate developers knew that if they wanted to fully realize their skyline-impacting architectural vision, they needed the buy-in from the rather powerful local community board. But this was no run-of-the-mill community board, no siree. This community board could change the official course of traffic flow in a blink of an eye; limit the number of establishments offering wifi as fast as you could say Tea Lounge; and restrict the use of double-wide strollers on 9th St. without lifting a middle finger.

So, one day the corporate developer ventured into aforementioned neighborhood to meet with the community board to discuss their list of demands, oops, I mean neighborhood policies & procedures. The dialogue went something like this:

Corporate RE Developer: So, it is our understanding that you have concerns about the number of delivery vehicles that will be entering and traveling through your neighborhood to deliver goods and service to our building. Is that right?
Comm Board Leadership: Correct.
Corporate RE Developer: And it is additionally understood that you will not stand for any pre-dawn traffic or idling engines. Is that right?
Comm Board Leadership: You are correct.
Corporate RE Developer: And finally, it is our understanding that you'd like our workers to be comprised of at least 25% local residents, and that we award at least 25% of our contracts to businesses that are minority, women-owned, handicapped veterans of foreign wars. Is that right?
Comm Board Leadership: That is correct!
Corporate RE Developer: Well...we’ve got news for you: not only are we willing to meet all of your requirements, we’ll also be establishing a “near shore” distribution center through which all inbound and outbound deliveries will be funneled, utilizing the very latest clean-emission, low-noise fleet of delivery vehicles to make scheduled stops at prescribed times during the work day, and we are going to also throw in $2 million cash, in small, untraceable denominations - and perhaps even a supply of heirloom seeds for good measure. What do you say to that?
Comm Board Leadership: Done! Oh, and could you please deliver the cash separately if we give you the names and addresses of all the board members? We don’t mind what type of trucks you use to get it to us, just do so asap, preferably after midnight and before 6:00 am while most of our neighbors are asleep.
Corporate RE Developer: Say no more.

Thanks...because of this thread I'm headed of to my friendly local grocery right now to pick up:

2 8 oz bottles of Malta India
1 16 oz bottle of Good-o Champagne Cola
3 Drakes Apple Fruit pies
1 8 oz can Goya condensed milk
2 bags of Chifles Plantain chips (salted)

Fresh Direct doesn't carry any of those items.

You know who is one of the BIGGEST "big box, greedy corporate/franchise inter-sloping polluters?" The bottled water industry - so chuck your Poland Springs, buy a sports bottle and stick it under your tap!

BTW - after spending 3 hours in the new Whole Foods on Bowery & Houston I'm in love with big box, greedy corporate/franchise inter-sloping polluters. Can't wait for that big box to open on 3rd and 3rd!

caaahyoko wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]
BTW - after spending 3 hours in the new Whole Foods on Bowery & Houston

Finally! They've been working on that one forever. I'll be takin the F there, goddamn it.This one has an Il Laboratoria Gelato bar, a Pomme Frites bar, a converyorized sushi bar, an Italian trattoria, tons of great cheese and chocolates galore! 71,000 sq ft on 2 floors - clothing, books, etc etc.

Livetotravel wrote: [quote=caaahyoko][quote=Livetotravel]
BTW - after spending 3 hours in the new Whole Foods on Bowery & Houston

Finally! They've been working on that one forever. I'll be takin the F there, goddamn it.This one has an Il Laboratoria Gelato bar, a Pomme Frites bar, a converyorized sushi bar, an Italian trattoria, tons of great cheese and chocolates galore! 71,000 sq ft on 2 floors - clothing, books, etc etc.

Holy sh*t. :shock: