teenage girls attacked my daughter on Downing Fulton

Anonymous wrote: [quote=Guvna][quote=Anonymous]Funny I didn't see many of you at the Precinct Council Meeting.

Do you know what they look like? :-s

I know the regulars and thats who was at the meeting not you dumb asses that complain on this site. You moved into the hood what 5 years or less and think you can take over. I don't think so.

I dont think you know who posts on this site, and I think you are wrong to alienate your new neighbors. Also, who wants to "take over"? What would they be "taking over"? and from who? This sounds like a highschool playground squabble. Wanting cleaner streets, less crime, and a variety of amenities is not about trying to take over. It is about trying to make a better life out of where you live.

Such anger, directed at strangers, cannot be good for your health.

The precinct reached out to Hynes so it not a matter of waiting for them. Tish had nothing to do with it, know your facts!!!!!!!!

Subject: Re: whats really sad is reading most of these posts.

lxwxh=volume wrote: whats really sad is reading most of these posts. i chuckle, cause some of you are truly naive, while others minds' resonate extreme fragility. one, maybe two of you partially see the picture. how sheltered are we in 2007?

my advice to most of you new to the 'hood' is to first, interact with love cause ingenuity is easily spotted, and second learn. What you're seeing are the aftereffects of economic policies instituted during the 70s, 80s and 90s, with considerable help from the likes of many of your parents, whom succeeded in voting-in these policies.

i can't see your faces, but your words sound like they're coming from super-privileged,
a-phone-call-away-from-money-having,
real-world-knowledge-lacking, too-scared-to-strike-up-a-conversation-with-a young-black-man-
without-saying-something-stoopid,
nervous walking,
unknowingly-supporting-white-supremacy-acting, always-used-to-thinking-from-the-oppressors-paradigm
type of people.
i think you know who you are.

"I was taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group"- Peggy McIntosh

For a beginners guide to understanding the matrix, follow this link...

http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html

Speaking of people being truly naive you're making the same broad, sweeping generalizations that you're accusing others of making.

I can tell you without a doubt in my mind that I do NOT come from even remotely close to the background that you describe, nor does my wife. But if that's the perspective that you bring to the table every time you interact with someone that you think is new to the 'hood' then you're not even following your first tenet of "interact with love". How does that help things?

Here's a very simple tenet I try to follow: "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." Do you know who said that? For the most part I try to stay well away from the cemetery.

Two things. I most definitely agree with you on the need for ALL to continue learning as well as the need for everyone to be genuine. Change is a very difficult thing. For everyone.

I'd like to think that people moving into the neighborhood are respectful of those that were here before them but I can understand that isn't always be the case. However I just don't believe that slagging everyone by dumping all newbies into a less then flattering category is doing anything to help solve any problems.

realestateguy wrote: Malcolm X said it Limestone.

I know that and obviously you do as well.

I was hoping that lxwxh=volume would know too.

I'm glad your daughter and her BF are okay and I hope the police find some resolution to this.

Kevin_on_Putnam wrote: [quote=themfa]I'm glad your daughter and her BF are okay and I hope the police find some resolution to this.

Crickeys, I can't believe that this thread has been going on so long... On a completely related subject, someone broke in to my neighbors house today. If I were like 5 minutes faster in calling 911 the police could have caught him. But whats going on here! I haven't had any trouble since I moved in almost 10 years ago and now 2 incidents in the same month. I've been telling everyone on the board that this is a safe neighborhood--I'm rapidly revising my opinion.Wow, and its only May...
summer time is going to be interesting

Kevin_on_Putnam wrote: ...I haven't had any trouble since I moved in almost 10 years ago and now 2 incidents in the same month. I've been telling everyone on the board that this is a safe neighborhood--I'm rapidly revising my opinion.

but you can't base your crime analysis on stories you hear/witness/read on brooklynian.

reported crimes are down in the 88th pct almost across the board. so either crime is down, or for some reason people are reporting less and less of them.

there was a big ol police truck parked on fulton between classon and franklin last night around 8p...a few cops were milling around as well. they didn't look like they were doing anything in particular so i assume they were just making their presence known.

White guilt?

You'll have to help me with that one GentrifyThis. What are you really trying to say?

GentrifyThis wrote: [quote=Boygabriel][quote=Kevin_on_Putnam]...I haven't had any trouble since I moved in almost 10 years ago and now 2 incidents in the same month. I've been telling everyone on the board that this is a safe neighborhood--I'm rapidly revising my opinion.

but you can't base your crime analysis on stories you hear/witness/read on brooklynian.

reported crimes are down in the 88th pct almost across the board. so either crime is down, or for some reason people are reporting less and less of them.

maybe white guilt is the reason why there are less reported ones?... who knows.... Crime stats are irrelevant to tout. You would never know how many crimes are committed. If one crime is reported, im sure that 2 or 3 go unreported.

Are you a realtor? You seem to always spew crime stats

no i'm a graphic designer that works full time in manhattan. i'm just trying to caution people against making crime analysis based on posts on Brooklynian. I love this website but it's not a good resource for crime numbers.

anecdotes? sure. collecting crime stats? not so much.

If one crime is reported, im sure that 2 or 3 go unreported.

crime stats are a helluva lot more relevant than stellar analysis like this.

Remi_CH wrote: There are lots of reasons not to report crime:
you don't have to be white to hold any of these ideals

Most are white. They use code words like "is it safe" (aka are there more white people around) for me to walk around at night, etc... Most black folks dont ask those questions.

If you take a look at this forum, or the forums on this board - the majority of the people mugged or robbed are white and new to the hood. Why can't we accept that and move on? Out of all of my black neighbors i chat with, cant tell you one who has been robbed or mugged yesterday, the month before, or ever!

It will get worse, with the gentrification believe it or not. The criminals dont have to travel too far now, its one stop shopping!

And another note, the deeper you go out, the worse the crime is, the more you will become a victim. FACT!

And getting robbed in park slope or carroll gardens wont help because there is less concentration of crime!

Say it 2x!!

LimestoneKid wrote: [quote=GentrifyThis][quote=Remi_CH]There are lots of reasons not to report crime:
you don't have to be white to hold any of these ideals

Most are white.

Really? That seems to fly in the face of the "no snitching" attitude. I think this is one of those times where you need to provide some of those statistics that you hate so much GentrifyThis.

---- "no snitching" is irrelevant here. THE posts on this board, all you have to do is a search to back up my claim.

They use code words like "is it safe" (aka are there more white people around) for me to walk around at night, etc... Most black folks dont ask those questions.

Once again, something of substance (i.e. beyond your opinion) might help your argument. Can I infer from your comments that you think black folks of financial means wouldn't have a problem with moving to a neighborhood like East New York? They wouldn't ask questions like "Is it safe?"

----Most Black (or any race) folks with finiancial means or education would never choose East New York, because they know It's not safe

If you take a look at this forum, or the forums on this board - the majority of the people mugged or robbed are white and new to the hood. Why can't we accept that and move on?

Same as we should accept the fact that the large majority of blacks that are murdered are killed by other blacks. No need for anyone, white, black or green, to concerned about that I suppose. Let's just accept that and move on.

--- I've been in total acceptance of that since I was born. It's kinda stitched in my negro DNA. So what's your point? I also understand the social ills that cause those stats. When you are ready to talk about that, I'll be more than willing. The majority on here seem to skip over "those other" issues in the communities they inhabit and whenever someone brings them up, no one responds, or says something like, oh they'll be all priced out anyway soon.

Out of all of my black neighbors i chat with, cant tell you one who has been robbed or mugged yesterday, the month before, or ever!

I'm thinking I could say the same for my black AND white neighbors. Maybe it's just the same poor folks getting mugged over and over again.

----- You're Thinking you could say-- thats the key word. Have you gone out and spoken to your black and white neighbors about muggings and things lately? I actually have.

It will get worse, with the gentrification believe it or not. The criminals dont have to travel too far now, its one stop shopping!

Sounds to me like you're excited by that.

----- In one way, yes I am. You folks will finaly get the education on what its like to be a minority.... to experience daily life in a black community when things get rough and you run out of options. 50% unemployment, fast food joints killing our youth, no opportunities in the surrounding blocks but drugs and guns, years of neglect, etc.. etc.. etc..

And another note, the deeper you go out, the worse the crime is, the more you will become a victim. FACT!

FACT! You don't provide any documentation/links for what you say are facts.

-----Why should I have documentation? Logic says that If there are more crimes concentrated in a certain area you are more likely to get victimized more. Since you want stats... compare the 75th pct. which covers eastern hoods like ENY and BVILLE vs a pct that covers PS and CG. You tell me then!

And getting robbed in park slope or carroll gardens wont help because there is less concentration of crime!

Say it 2x!!

GentrifyThis, I'm still waiting for you to explain your "white guilt" comment and how it relates to crime not being reported.

----White guilt is said to result in a feeling of lost moral authority on the part of some whites, so that they feel uncomfortable discussing issues of race and are very anxious to avoid being seen as racist. Whether white guilt is healthy or unhealthy, just or unjust, proper or improper, and necessary or unnecessary, are matters of controversy, as are questions about if and how to make amends for the historical and present inequities between races.

IMO Leading to less reporting of crimes....


Are you clear now?

I want you to respect these things I have to say, if you agree with them or not. they represent my views and the views of most people in the neighborhood you live in, from "professional" to the "street."

You need to hear more of this to take you out of this "blogging bubble" to realize if you want to make a community better (maybe you dont), learn why these things are the way they are and how people in the hood think and react. Simple cause and effect, Thats all.

It's been said over and over again, TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS they can be a wealth of knowledge. That "scary" drug thug on the corner just might save your ass from getting beat down one day

Hear, hear.

It's been said over and over again, TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS they can be a wealth of knowledge. That "scary" drug thug on the corner just might save your ass from getting beat down one day


I find this unlikely, considering the "no snitching" rule dictates that he won't even protect his own friends and family.

I don't know. But I find it unlikely.