Anybody catch the little shootout on Park bet. washington...
and classon about 10 minutes? Got to see quite a bit of it from my window. The cops from the big precinct on the corner came out pretty quickly, though.
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Yeah, we heard it. What did you see?
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well, when I got home at 9, there were about 50 kids hanging out by the schoolyard. Pretty tense atmosphere. Heard the first shot around 11, and I looked out the window. Then it was just a parade of kids walking in the middle of the street up towards Classon, and continuous firing. At least 7 or 8 more shots. The cops in the corner precinct came out soon after, strapping on their bulletproof vests and jumping in cars. They pulled up the block, and managed to get to the group of kids who were marching up the block. Took a few of them away...then the streets were clear....in eerily quick fashion.
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What the fuck is going on on in the neighborhood? This feels and sounds like 98'-99' era Prospect/Crown Heights.
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No wonder. We were waiting to hear sirens and the usual stuff that follows a shooting. That explains it. Thanks.
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I keep hearing gun shots, and then trucks hitting potholes which are freaking me out. I can tell what's what when I review mentally but this is so fucked.
also ..well, I'll post it in the other thread. -
I guess things are done differently from when my mom was a member of the feared 60's era female ProHo gang, The Vanderbilt Avenue Juniorettes. She used to tell me stories about how they would follow the "Juniors" around, and the MOST that would happen was an occasional fist fight. heh...the juniorettes
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The sad thing is that this is not the first time this has happened! In the fall there were two killings and a robery within a two week period in a 4 block radius.
What is happening is that not enough people are taking a stand. Am I the only person calling 911 about the constant shots, drug deals and parties that go on in the park on any given night.
Do not get me wrong I like a good party too but not if it means my life and others around are at risk. -
None of the bystanders across the street moved...not to duck, run or anything. I was a little bit of an idiot for sticking my head out the window when the shooting was still going on, but you live in Brooklyn for almost 30 years and this just happens from time to time.
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butterfly69 wrote: The sad thing is that this is not the first time this has happened! In the fall there were two killings and a robery within a two week period in a 4 block radius.
What do you base that statement on? I mean, how do you know that people taking a stand would translate to a reduction in crime?
What is happening is that not enough people are taking a stand. Am I the only person calling 911 about the constant shots, drug deals and parties that go on in the park on any given night.
Do not get me wrong I like a good party too but not if it means my life and others around are at risk. -
I get so much shit on these boards for calling the cops about any really scary stuff I see in the nabe. frankly, I think people do care. and do call. I just don't know wtf is up.
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butterfly69 wrote: Am I the only person calling 911 about the constant shots, drug deals and parties that go on in the park on any given night.
No, you're not the only one. -
alafairnadia...you should always do what you feel is the right thing, or that which will protect you best. Don't let anyone give you too much shit about doing what you feel is the right thing. The only issue I too to task with butterfly 69 is the idea that it's the fault of a silent community, when in fact, the police should shoulder at least SOME blame along with the perpetrators of these crimes for allowing an unsafe environment to exist. Ever since the stabbing on lincoln, has anyone really seen a noticeably beefed up police presence? I haven't.
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I am glad I am not alone. Kids can hang out but we do have the right to sleep with the window open on a Tuesday night on a summer night and not have to fall asleep to some shit at volume 100 from a car at 4am, we do have the right to walk down the street and not fear shots flying or shop in the hood and not bear witness to an assult.
Brooklyn has always been my home and will always be. What I do know is that things are changing and not for the better.
It takes a village but what do you do when your fellow human and the cops do not give a damn? Which seems to be the case these days in PH. -
I am not letting the cops off at all, I have filed complaints to no avail. I see a cop often at the 7th ave train. In our woods...no.
It blows my mind that there is a station at the corner and on a daily I see drug deals going down.
The only time I have seen the cops in action was to arrest a kid for peeing in the street. Gotta love the long arm of the law. -
Brace yourself! With the summer approaching rapidly, unfortunately they'll be alot more of these incidents. The NYPD on a whole has 6000 less officers than it did in 2001. Which means the precincts all over the city are drastically shorthanded. The community has to come together, if you see something report it. Be a GOOD WITNESS and don't be a victim. Dont walk and talk on the cell phones, know your surroundings and if you call 911, leave a name and a call back number. It helps responding officers in the event further information is needed.
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butterfly69 wrote: I see a cop often at the 7th ave train. In our woods...no.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too when I moved into the area. I thought that there was far less police presence here than in my old neighborhood, but I was told that the 77th mainly operates with plain-clothed officers and un-marked cars. Does anyone else know more about this? Has it always been this way? And does it really make a difference? I would think that perpetrators who live here would be paying close enough attention to know who's a cop-- uniform or not. Any thoughts? -
I'm a big fan of 911 and 311.
A few days after a 911 call last summer, I had two detectives come to my place to chat and discuss details (ID of perp, # shots, etc.). Dunno whatever happened, but is good to see people at least going through the motion. -
Bendy Broad wrote: [quote=butterfly69]I see a cop often at the 7th ave train. In our woods...no.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too when I moved into the area. I thought that there was far less police presence here than in my old neighborhood, but I was told that the 77th mainly operates with plain-clothed officers and un-marked cars. Does anyone else know more about this? Has it always been this way? And does it really make a difference? I would think that perpetrators who live here would be paying close enough attention to know who's a cop-- uniform or not. Any thoughts?
I've been told that the precinct tried to concentrate uniformed police presence where it is most needed. As you move further east crime increases so, you'll see uniformed officers at the places with the highest crime. Even last summer when we tried to get a beefed up presence on Nostrand we were told that the cops were being concentrated on Utica. Beat cops are on Nostrand, but you'll see less on Franklin and few if any once you get to Washington. Wouldn't at all surprise me if the bulk of the cops on that end of the precinct are undercovers.
In some respects the cops are reactive, and if there is a spate of incidents coupled with complaints from residents they will respond. If things happen but people don't complain, you're less likely to see additional resources being moved into the area. Skywatch and the mobile police van on Nostrand were direct responses to the merchant's association and neighborhood residents asking for some sort of ongoing presence. My experience is that these things don't last for long, but they are deterients especially when there is escalating tit-for-tat behavior going on. So, the short version is show up at the precinct council meetings, or some of the other community meetings posted on this board and ask the cops for additional presence. If they hear from enough folks it will happen. -
I guess it's a matter of the squeaky wheel getting the grease. It sounds like it's worth complaining to get a visible presence of police in your area.
It's so important to do what you all are doing by calling the cops when there's any crime or apparent danger in your neighborhood.
I don't know if any of you ever heard of Kitty Genovese, who was murdered (not sure of where in the city) in 1964. A young woman walking home alone and was being stalked by a man. She called for help when he began to attack her and people looked out their windows, but no one called. She got away after being stabbed several times and again cried for help. The guy followed her, found no one was coming to her aid, and in front of people watching out their windows, he stabbed her to death. When interviewed, the main phrase to be heard was "I didn't want to get involved." I was a little kid then, but it made such a huge impression on me that people couldn't take one minute to call to save someones' life.
I call even when there's a suspicion that something is wrong. And I've been right several times. It only takes a minute and I know we'd all want someone to call if it was us or anyone we cared for.
You're all great for doing that.
Does is seem like things are escalating in the Prospect/Crown Heights areas? -
Here's the Kitty Genovese entry on Wikipedia...this famous case went down on a crowded block in Queens...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese -
dakotas way wrote: I don't know if any of you ever heard of Kitty Genovese, who was murdered (not sure of where in the city) in 1964.
What a coincidence. Just last week, we were just talking about this case in a class that I'm taking at Hunter. We were discussing by-stander apathy. It's a horrible story, but it demonstrates the concept perfectly. I think it's natural to assume that someone else is taking care of it, making that call to the police, going to step in and do something, etc. I think we need to always react in spite of that. We can't let that assumption lull us into complacency. -
it might just seem like a gesture
but things like this, do help:
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33792&highlight=community+policing
so would everyone showing up at the next 77 precinct council meeting
and voicing their concerns directly to Dep. Insp. Cosgrove who has been very open to community input.
that will be Monday 4/9 at 7:30
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Thanks, Neene! I'm going to try to clear a space in my schedule for that.
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dakotas way wrote: I guess it's a matter of the squeaky wheel getting the grease. It sounds like it's worth complaining to get a visible presence of police in your area.
I lived in Queens as a kid and heard about what happened to her. That happened in Kew Gardens. I still cannot understand how people didn't get involved. It's incomprehensible to me.
It's so important to do what you all are doing by calling the cops when there's any crime or apparent danger in your neighborhood.
I don't know if any of you ever heard of Kitty Genovese, who was murdered (not sure of where in the city) in 1964. A young woman walking home alone and was being stalked by a man. She called for help when he began to attack her and people looked out their windows, but no one called. She got away after being stabbed several times and again cried for help. The guy followed her, found no one was coming to her aid, and in front of people watching out their windows, he stabbed her to death. When interviewed, the main phrase to be heard was "I didn't want to get involved." I was a little kid then, but it made such a huge impression on me that people couldn't take one minute to call to save someones' life.
I call even when there's a suspicion that something is wrong. And I've been right several times. It only takes a minute and I know we'd all want someone to call if it was us or anyone we cared for.
You're all great for doing that.
Does is seem like things are escalating in the Prospect/Crown Heights areas?
When interviewed, witnesses also said that they assumed someone else had called the police. -
Today's LGBT History Moment:
Kitty Genovese was a lesbian openly living with her girlfriend. Who knows what her neighbors thought of her way back in 1964?
I had heard the bystander apathy story for years before I heard *that* particular detail.
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pitu wrote: Today's LGBT History Moment:
It was only recently (within the past few months) that it was publically announced that Kitty Genovese was a lesbian. The woman she lived with never publically spoke about it until recently.
Kitty Genovese was a lesbian openly living with her girlfriend. Who knows what her neighbors thought of her way back in 1964?
I had heard the bystander apathy story for years before I heard *that* particular detail.
I don't think her story has much to do with what's up on Park Place.
I didn't hear they were living openly as lesbians, but they weren't out to their neighbors. I could be completely wrong, as I heard this on NPR last week while at work.
EDIT: I wanted to find what I was listening to last week on NPR... It was a rebroadcast from 2004! -
wow. that's incredibly interesting.
and horrifying. I think I'm going to crawl under my bed. -
doublediamond wrote: [quote=pitu]Today's LGBT History Moment:
It was only recently (within the past few months) that it was publically announced that Kitty Genovese was a lesbian. The woman she lived with never publically spoke about it until recently.
Kitty Genovese was a lesbian openly living with her girlfriend. Who knows what her neighbors thought of her way back in 1964?
I had heard the bystander apathy story for years before I heard *that* particular detail.
I don't think her story has much to do with what's up on Park Place.
I didn't hear they were living openly as lesbians, but they weren't out to their neighbors. I could be completely wrong, as I heard this on NPR last week while at work.
EDIT: I wanted to find what I was listening to last week on NPR... It was a rebroadcast from 2004!
I'm pretty sure it wasn't breaking news on NPR, even in 2004. A lesbian born and bred in Queens told me about it years and years ago.
I wouldn't be shocked if it was only noted and remembered in the LGBT community.
I'll pull out my Big Pink Book and get back to you on that...
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I'm glad you posted this, I was thinking about playing my trombone in that park!
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you play trombone? want to join a band?
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