“nappy-headed ho’sâ€
I don't know why this rat bastard has a job.
The New York Times' wrap-up of the story below...
note that Imus has one staff person whose task it is to tell racist jokes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/07/arts/television/07imus.htm
The New York Times' wrap-up of the story below...
note that Imus has one staff person whose task it is to tell racist jokes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/07/arts/television/07imus.htm
April 7, 2007
Networks Condemn Remarks by Imus
By DAVID CARR
On Wednesday morning, Don Imus called the students who play for the
Rutgers University women’s basketball team a bunch of “nappy-headed
ho’s.â€
Even for Mr. Imus, a nationally syndicated radio host who knows his way
around an insult, it was a shocking remark, one that seemed to impugn
both the physical and moral characteristics of a team composed mostly
of black players.
What followed was a familiar dance for Mr. Imus and the media companies
that profit from his ability to shock his way to big audiences:
outrage, indignation and, eventually, the expression of deep regret.
And so on Thursday, Mr. Imus wondered aloud on his show what the big
deal was, saying people should not be offended by “some idiot comment
meant to be amusing.â€
But as often occurs in a modern media drama, Mr. Imus’s remarks were
picked up on the Web, in this case by the Media Matters for America
site (mediamatters.org). And by Friday, both his radio and television
outlets were getting out 10-foot poles.
MSNBC, which simulcasts Mr. Imus’s show on cable television, issued an
apology, noting that the program is not a production of the network;
NBC, its parent company, called the comments “deplorable.â€
CBS Radio, which syndicates the radio show, was sorry as well: “We are
disappointed by Imus’s actions earlier this week which we find
completely inappropriate,†the company said in a statement. “We fully
agree that a sincere apology was called for and will continue to
monitor the program’s content going forward.â€
For his part, Mr. Imus appeared doubly sorry: for a time on Friday, the
printed version of his apology, made on Friday morning’s show — he
termed his remarks “thoughtless and stupid†— appeared twice on his
home page at msnbc.com.
Mr. Imus is one of the most popular radio hosts in the country, with
millions of daily listeners on more than 70 stations around the
country. The television simulcast of his show on MSNBC is surging in
the ratings — “Imus in the Morning,†which the network simulcasts with
the New York radio station WFAN, gained 100,000 viewers in the last
year, for an average daily total of 358,000, according to Nielsen
estimates.
But even with Mr. Imus’s success, his comments gave NBC executives
pause. “We take this matter very seriously,†said Allison Gollust,
senior vice president for news communications at NBC. “We find the
comments to be deplorable, and we are continuing to review the
situation.â€
This is hardly the first time Mr. Imus has made racially insensitive
remarks during a broadcast. In a 1997 interview with “60 Minutes,†he
said he chose one white staffer to tell racial jokes on his show. He
once referred to the PBS anchor Gwen Ifill as “a cleaning lady.†And in
2001 he took a pledge, guided by the Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence
Page, to refrain from making further racist comments on his program.
Mr. Imus’s defenders say that he is actually an equal-opportunity
offender: Jews, gays and Roman Catholics are also his frequent targets.
Yesterday’s show, on Good Friday, included a song couplet that managed
to rhyme the words “resurrection†and “erection.â€
Mr. Imus made his on-air apology yesterday morning amid the topical
humor.
“Want to take a moment to apologize for an insensitive and ill-
conceived remark we made the other morning regarding the Rutgers
women’s basketball team,†Mr. Imus said. “It was completely
inappropriate, and we can understand why people were offended. Our
characterization was thoughtless and stupid, and we are sorry.â€
Yesterday’s show also included an interview with Tim Russert, the host
of NBC’s “Meet the Press,†one of a great number of political and media
heavyweights who appear regularly on “Imus in the Morning.†(The NBC
spokeswoman said the statement expressing regret about the remarks
reflected Mr. Russert’s feelings about the matter as well.)
Both Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, and
Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, recently appeared on the
show, and media figures including Frank Rich of The New York Times and
Chris Matthews of MSNBC have also spent time with Mr. Imus. Senator
Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, appeared on the show some time ago
to promote his book “The Audacity of Hope.â€
Richard Prince, a columnist who writes a blog called Journal-isms about
media and diversity, said that Mr. Imus was inoculated to some degree
by his powerful relationships.
“One of the most offensive things about the whole episode is not just
MSNBC playing ball with Imus,†Mr. Prince said. “Not only is the
network supporting this kind of program, but think of all the prominent
journalists and politicians who are also enabling him and these kinds
of comments.â€
Mr. Imus’s radio show is idiosyncratic in tone, ranging from thoughtful
discussions of politics to the kind of coarse talk that would turn
heads in a locker room.
“That’s some rough girls from Rutgers,†Mr. Imus said on Wednesday.
“Man, they got tattoos ...†The program’s executive producer, Bernard
McGuirk, agreed: “Some hardcore ho’s,†he said. Imus continued, “That’s
some nappy-headed ho’s there, I’m going to tell you that.â€
Later in the show, Mr. McGuirk characterized the women’s collegiate
basketball championship Tuesday night, between Rutgers and the
University of Tennessee, as “the Jigaboos versus the Wannabes.â€
In a joint statement, Myles Brand, the president of the National
Collegiate Athletic Association, and Richard L. McCormick, the
president of Rutgers, said Mr. Imus’s attempt at humor represented an
assault on human dignity. “The N.C.A.A. and Rutgers University are
offended by the insults on MSNBC’s Don Imus program toward the 10 young
women on the Rutgers basketball team,†they said. “It is unconscionable
that anyone would use the airways to utter such disregard for the
dignity of human beings who have accomplished much and deserve great
credit. It is appropriate that Mr. Imus and MSNBC have apologized.â€
But for Bryan Monroe, the president of the National Association of
Black Journalists and the editor of Ebony and Jet magazines, Mr. Imus’s
apology was not enough and called on journalists to boycott the show.
“It was stunning, insulting and unbelievable that he went there,†Mr.
Monroe said. “But his apology was too little, too late. No matter how
contrite, his words hurt so many so deeply that after 40 years in the
radio business, it is time for him to go.â€
For the time being, though, the apology seemed to be sufficient.
Comments
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seriously fucked up coke head - he should be banned but not one media company has the courage to stop this kind of behavior.
see sofa thread above. -
I'm wondering how many people who are offended by Imus would go to the Blaxpoitation film festival to see Willie Dynamite at the Film Forum to have a good camp laugh.
However, if you're gonna make racist comments and say it's free speech then Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson have just as much right to call for his ouster. -
I think he's an ass. That's why I don't listen to his show. If I did listen to his show, I'd expect to hear plenty of shit I didn't agree with.
Next thing he'll be in rehab.
I want to know why the focus is only on 'nappy headed' and not on 'ho'. -
Flexichick wrote: Next thing he'll be in rehab.
Unfortunately I don't think assholism is curable.
I had to explain to my Brit bf what "nappy-headed" meant ... -
is there a Brit equivalent of "nappy headed"?
just curious, not endorsing usage of any variation. -
Flexichick wrote: is there a Brit equivalent of "nappy headed"?
Apparently not.
The bf was quite confused, what with a 'nappy' being a diaper ... the only thing he could think of was that it had to do with do-rags or something. -
Ha! Funny how the meanings change (like "fanny").
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Yes, fanny. Or skivvies. Or jocks. Does someone want to explain "nappy headed" to me -- I really didn't like any of the possible pictures it conjured up.
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From Urban Dictionary:
"one of African desent who has tightly coiled unkept hair; one with locks of hair that is tightly curled that is unwashed and uncombed"
Let's just say it's not a compliment. -
Well, "nappy" is one of those controversial words that can either be insulting, or reclaimed as a positive description, depending on who's using it and how. See also the following books:
"Nappy Hair": http://tinyurl.com/3dvdny
"Happy to Be Nappy": http://tinyurl.com/2mdte4 -
That's hilarious about the diaper connection -- totally didn't occur to me that the outrage might be mystifying the Anglo-English world. Is nappy *not* a hair description in the Caribbean?
Personally I'd heard the term used in a positive reclaiming way more than anything, but that's not Imus. -
Well, I should revise my statement to "let's just say it's not always a compliment". Personally, I'm all for natural hair. That said, I think there are a lot of different nuances to this word, and I don't think Imus meant it in a positive way.
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pitu wrote: totally didn't occur to me that the outrage might be mystifying the Anglo-English world.
I think that the safe default should be to assume that the outrage du jour over here will be totally mystifying to the rest of the world. -
You know whats messed up?
If he would have just called them "ho's" , nobody would have gave a shit...they would just laugh...ahahahahahaha he called them bitches ho's!
In hip hop , rap music , thats what women are called , bitches and ho's. :roll: -
what I find so horrible about this is the other shit he said. if he'd JUST said "nappy-headed hoe's" it would have been something .. not tolerable, but vaguely able to be written off as a one-off. instead, the rest of his diatribe was fucking HORRIBLE. I mean, he's a fucking racist misogynist. even if he says he's not, his words project that. and not in the clear, blatant irony of, well, actual comedians.
and I kinda disagree, Em26 - I think what made this most abhorrent was the "ho's" message as well as the rest. I mean, yes, he would have been called, but not indicted if he'd said with utmost adoration, "those nappy-headed women did a fantastic job for rutgers university". yes, not a perfect thing to say, but not absolutely horrible. the other shit he was saying (which was all misogynist), and the "ho's" was what put his diatribe over the edge.
I'm not saying that his usage of 'nappy-headed' would have been eagerly embraced, but I don't think he'd be shredded the way he's been if he hadn't connected it with an entirely negative, woman-hating rant. -
Not to dismiss Imus' comments but hasn't this sentiment been expressed in rap music more than once, with little ado? The racism isn't there, but it's misogynistic nonetheless. I'm inclined to agree with Idlewild--many people scoffing at this wouldn't think twice about listening to a rap song expressing similiar ideas.
I just find it strange that anyone really cares what Imus thinks--making such a huge deal of this almost implies he has any sort of credibility. -
So let me get this straight... it's okay to call women "ho" some of the time, and it's ok to call the curly coiffured "nappy-headed" some of the time, but to call swarthy curly coiffured women "nappy-headed hos" is bad bad bad. Just want to be sure, in case I ever feel the need to add any of these descriptors to my parlance.
It reminds me of Russian: you can swear about the church and get away with it, you can swear about someone's grandmother and get away with it, but if you say "fuck your grandmother seven times through the church gate" then you're likely to catch a fist or a bullet. There's a mutiplicative rather than additive effect that crosses people's boundaries. -
This should not be gettting the attention it is. Imus is an ass. Don't listen to him if you are going to be offended. If enough people don't listen to him, don't sponsor his shows and don't talk about him, he won't have a job sooner or later.
I think the whole 'I said something stupid and offensive, and now I'm going to apologize, tell you what my issue is (alcoholism, stupidity, a mother who didn't love me) and then come back and be forgiven' crap is bullshit. Think Mel Gibson, Isiah Washington and now Imus.
I think he has a right to say what he wants. We have a right not to listen or support it.
If we keep going in this direction, everybody will continue to sanitize speech to the point where nobody will want to say anything controversial. And I truly think that controversy is good sometimes. -
While I knew Imus had a history of being a bigoted Shock Jock, in the Washington Post yesterday Michael Wilbon gave Imus' history, much of which I didn't know, all of which is shocking.
Imus & Gwen Ifill:
Imus is the one who said in 1995 of Gwen Ifill, an accomplished, award-winning black journalist of incredible dignity and grace: "Isn't the Times wonderful. . . . It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House."
Imus & William C. Rhoden:
It's Imus who called William C. Rhoden, the veteran Times sports columnist, "a quota hire." Of course, the work, accomplishments or stature of their targets do not matter to Imus and his stooges. He makes fun of former attorney general Janet Reno's Parkinson's disease.
Imus & 'nigger':
In 1997, during a "60 Minutes" profile, Mike Wallace confronted Imus and a former producer who quoted Imus as saying he'd hired a staffer to "do nigger jokes." When I mentioned that earlier this week on ESPN's Pardon the Interruption, Imus responded on his show that it simply did not happen -- though I see it in a 2000 issue of the Columbia Journalism Review and had a producer access it through a transcript (also the audio version) on National Public Radio.
Wallace: "You've told Tom Anderson, the producer, in your car coming home that Bernard McGuirk is there to do nigger jokes.'"
Imus: "Well, I've . . . I never use that word."
Wallace: "Tom?"
Tom Anderson: "I'm right here."
Imus: "Did I use that word?
Anderson: "I recall you using that word."
Imus: "Oh, okay, well then I used that word, but I mean . . . of course that was an off-the-record conversation . . ."
Wallace: "The hell it was." -
Jason Whitlock (a well-known black sports writer for the KC Star) wrote a piece criticizing the hypocrisy he saw in black people condemning Imus. My first response to this whole mess was along the lines of what Whitlock argues (except towards my own race (white)). But after reading a very enlightening debate about this topic on another message board, I began to question the parallel to rap music (or other misogynist genres of music. See: Zeppelin, Led).
I will repost a post I found interesting. While I disagree strongly with parts of it, it nonetheless raises interesting points in an opposite perspective on the Imus/Rap parallels. I'm willing to debate any aspect of this post, but I'll bold the parts I found especially interesting.Why do we always have to get treated as a scapegoat on some pot calling the kettle black shit when Whitey gets racist? Black on Black Mysogeny is a serious issue that is continually addressed, if not by Jesse or Al (which I think they do, but I'll play Devil's Advocate on this one) then definitely by Bill Cosby, Spelman College, NAACP, NOI/Farrakhan, etc. These cats don't listen and there is too much money to be made to get these guys to think differently until they age and get some wisdom. But by then, there's a new group of young rappers who see dollar signs and they take the place of the older cats.
The person later added:
Plus, rappers are targeting a "characterization" of a woman, which is still wrong but it's not a direct attack to a specific woman or group of women. Imus attacked the Rutgers basketball team and was trying to be cute and funny and didn't realize how deep his words cut. We're talking about scholar female athletes who have been objectified already because they play basketball and have been perceived to be "Butch" or "Dykes" by many ignorant folks. Stringer's reputation as a coach and leader have been beyond reproach. Imus was wrong point blank and he's not less wrong just because I've called a woman a ho before or because Willie D has a song about "Bald Headed Hoes" or as Whitlock puts it, because these players may dance to 50 Cent in the club.
That's the same mentality that says a scantily-clad woman is asking to be raped. Why is the oppresed always burdened with the responsibility of having to be more moral than the oppresor? It would be great if rappers/entertainers put the hoe/bitch/pimp/nigga/guns/drugs shit down. There has been and will continue to be dialogue about it and this issue will bring our own self hate to task. But rappers, Jesse, Sharpton, and whoever-the-fuck-else Whitlock wants to pass blame on are not responsible for Imus's actions and words. Dude should be fired. This muthafucka is tight with Dick Cheney...he has power. How much power does Young Jeezy have?
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will continue to be slandered as attention-hungry vultures. Which pisses me off to no end because Jason Whitlock wouldn't be where he is now without the works and deeds of men like Jesse and Al. That fat muthafucka really needs to check himself.
Black people need to wake up and realize that although these men are flawed, they are direct links to the civil rights movement and they have defended people and taken up causes that many rappers, actors, athletes, rich or educated black people have either ignored or didn't care two shits about. Who's going to fight for our causes or represent us once Jackson, Sharpton and Farrakhan pass away? Everytime we allow people to say they're grandstanding for publicity instead of trying to affect real change we are tarnishing their legacy. -
I guess Imus goes to satellite.
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Idlewild wrote: I guess Imus goes to satellite.
We could start passing round the hat to buy him a one-way ticket into orbit. -
doctorj wrote: [quote=Idlewild]I guess Imus goes to satellite.
We could start passing round the hat to buy him a one-way ticket into orbit.
or we could just let the Rutgers Women's B'ball team kick his ass there.
They met with him at the NJ Gov' mansion tonight. Corzine was in a car wreck on the way there (broke his leg and some ribs)
I blame Imus, as I hope Corzine does.
:evil:
CBS (radio syndicator) dropped him, along with MSNBC (tv of the radio show, after all the advertisers fled.) I bet Idlewild is correct about the sat future.
Or maybe he'll just crawl into a cave and die. -
I'm curious where this will lead. Is this the first step to banning racial epithets? Will be people be jailed or fined for using them, not just on public forums such as radio and/or tv but everyday life? I hope not. I feel a purge of political correctness a comin'.
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Idlewild wrote: I feel a purge of political correctness a comin'.
gawd, I don't
Black women are not in this world to be degraded. The pc/not pc thing is a diversion from real issues of how people are treated. -
pitu wrote: [quote=Idlewild]I feel a purge of political correctness a comin'.
gawd, I don't
Black women are not in this world to be degraded. The pc/not pc thing is a diversion from real issues of how people are treated.
I'm not sure that firing a conservative radio personality will fix racism or poor treatment of women. -
erikka wrote: I'm not sure that firing a conservative radio personality will fix racism or poor treatment of women.
I mean, obviously not. But you can't allow openly racist people to be on national radio and receive advertising money from companies that you and I (or someone you know) use.
Imus is free to be as racist as he wants to be, just not on national radio.
And people fearing a wave of overzealous political correctness need to tone down their panic. Our society is fully capable of firing a racist radio host while not being over-whelmed with PC-ness run wild. -
Um, I dunno…
Throughout all those years I argued with and complained to fans of Howard Stern—friends, acquaintances and even my last girlfriend—about his racist and misogynist shtick it never occurred to me that he should be taken off the air. I elected to turn the dial.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson once called New York “Hymietownâ€. No real fallout from that. The Rev. Al Sharpton has never been called to task for his ultra-divisiveness during the Tawana Brawley affair nor after it was learned she had concocted most, if not all, of her story. So why is Don Imus getting canned? Is it the timing? The close proximity to the Michael Richards incident? Right after her death, didn’t Stern say worse things about Selena and her fans before the body even got cold?
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve never been a fan of Imus’ nor am I defending or excusing him now. The remarks that eventually did him in were racist, misogynist, tasteless and deplorable. But it was a joke. One that I personally did not find amusing but a joke, nonetheless. A suspension was probably in order. Too late. My question is, do we really want to regulate “asshole-ism� (Yes, I know: it wasn't the government or the FCC that booted Imus, but still…)
O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh etc. spout some nasty stuff on a daily basis that makes my blood boil. Would I want them off the air? Yes. But as a result of people turning off their radios or turning the dial, realizing of their own conviction that this is nasty, ignorant stuff that should not be supported. Let the public decide. Needless to say I’m not crazy about any group regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality etc exert undue pressure when offended. This isn’t some City College professor going on to his/her students about the inherent intellectual shortcomings of people of color or how those of the Caucasian persuasion are the root of all evil, is it? (And those guys would probably STILL have their jobs! That’s f’d up.) Now, those are situations worth looking into and taking serious action because of their being within the context of higher learning. But bringing out the heavy guns every time one is offended sets a much worse precedent than letting some jackass make ignorant remarks on the air.
Does anyone really think that the people who enjoy Imus’ show and found these recent remarks humorous have changed their minds over his subsequent firing? Doubt it. All it creates is a climate of resentment and divide. You don’t truly change things with heavy-handed intimidation IMHO. Actually, you do. But only on the surface. And haven’t we had enough of that already?
(I wonder what would’ve happened if Imus had simply said “Hey, it was a joke. Sorry if you got offended but it was a joke. Next.†He showed signs of this sort of attitude when he stated he’d apologized enough and wasn’t gonna do the requisite talk show apology tour that normally accompanies the fallout from these situations.)
By the way, Dick Cheney was finally right about one thing: Watch what you say. -
Make no mistake here, Imus was dismissed because his major sponsors bailed on him. He was not canned because of the Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson. He was canned because the money people thought that he was no longer viable! Money Makes the World Go Round!
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Oiseau wrote: Make no mistake here, Imus was dismissed because his major sponsors bailed on him. He was not canned because of the Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson. He was canned because the money people thought that he was no longer viable! Money Makes the World Go Round!
So why did the money people think he was no longer viable? Presumably because of community standards, the attitudes of those targetted by advertising, as no one wants to annoy their customers. And what has shaped those attitudes to this incident and standards in general? Recent publicity and longer term shifts, in which the above reverends have had a hand. I'd say the world makes the money go round.
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