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  • joncane wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]
    Thank you for this, it helped educate me on Sharpton and to understand you better.
    You're very welcome. As i mentioned before, (and as you referenced in your previous post), i didn't want to distract the focus from the incident itself, which is why i initially didn't post in such detail. As a fan of Imus and one who does not think he is a bad person or a racist, I was angry with him for crossing the line, and do not mean for discussions on Sharpton & Jackson, as well as the use of such language by rappers, comedians, etc. to remove the blame from him.

    how is he not racist though? If this event was isolated I could buy it. But what about all the stuff Wilbon reported in his column?
  • Boygabriel wrote: how is he not racist though? If this event was isolated I could buy it. But what about all the stuff Wilbon reported in his column?
    Since you asked......as i've said before, i think Imus crossed the line this time, and that his attempt at humor was not the least bit funny. I am not bothered when he makes fun of public figures, but a team of college athletes is a different story.

    To answer your question, i suppose there are a few factors that lead me to hold the opinion that he is not racist. First of all, after 20+ hours per week for 30 years, a few rude statements seem to be balanced out by a lot of other words and more importantly a lot of other actions. Plus, though it's the standard excuse, i do think context is of some importance. For instance, i've had people complain that he played a song called "I Like Friends With White Faces", neglecting to mention that it was a parody intended to attack Rush Limbaugh. Same thing for the Gwen Ifel comment. I don't get mad at South Park characters for the tasteless things they say either. As for the N-bomb - no excuses there. it's a word i don't appreciate or tolerate from anyone of any race.

    Another factor for me is that we all have different tolerances for humor and taste. (Speaking of which, imagine the look on my face when i saw a young black man driving a low rider that said "too low for fat ho's" on the windshield yesterday." My ex-wife (she's african american, i'm jewish) used to regularly play a song called "kill whitey". That didn't bother me, but i'm certain some would not appreciate it. I am not upset when South Park makes fun of Jews, Blacks, Catholics, Scientologists, Muslims, etc., but my civil rights marching mom says that these are things you don't joke about. I respect that opinion. the only opinion i question is the one that says you can't pick on one particular race or religion. (As in Isaac Hayes who thought it was fine to work on South Park all those years even when Jesus and Santa were having a karate fight, but was outraged that they made fun of *his* religion.) no - imus' comment was not funny, but i think it was an ill-fated attempt at humor and that at the time he made the off-the-cuff statement, he didn't consider how hurtful the words are.

    Lastly - and certainly the hardest to explain - is just a feeling that one gets. There were plenty of people who my wife and i met who smiled in our faces, but i have no doubt that they hated her for her skin color and us for being together. As a regular listener to Imus, I never got the feeling that he is a bigot. FWIW, I don't know a single african american who listened regularly who does, though i do know some who still called for his suspension or firing. I can point out plenty of things that he did and said as counterpoint to the tasteless comments that he made.

    Once again, please note that i'm not defending Imus' comment that day. I just think that the punishment was too severe and that he has unfairly been portrayed by many who dislike him. And, as i've discussed ad nauseum, i have issues with the most prominent voices speaking out against him.) I think that those who listened regularly - even those who are minorities and/or sensitive to bigotry - generally feel likewise, and that their opinions are more informed than those who caught an occasional sound bite.

    Just my $.02
  • Subject: Re: Don Imus, did the punishment fit the crime?

    Boygabriel wrote: [quote=Sunkissed]...I don't believe he's a racist (and unlike many others I actually listened to him over the last ten years)...
    Because you are a regular listener maybe you can help me understand but I don't see how he can have said the things Michael Wilbon relayed in his WP column and not be racist. Who hires someone "to tell nigger jokes" and isn't racist? Who calls a black White House correspondent a "cleaning lady" and isn't racist?


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  • joncane wrote: [quote=Boygabriel]
    Thank you for this, it helped educate me on Sharpton and to understand you better.
    You're very welcome. As i mentioned before, (and as you referenced in your previous post), i didn't want to distract the focus from the incident itself, which is why i initially didn't post in such detail. As a fan of Imus and one who does not think he is a bad person or a racist, I was angry with him for crossing the line, and do not mean for discussions on Sharpton & Jackson, as well as the use of such language by rappers, comedians, etc. to remove the blame from him.

    I'm glad you went back to that essential part of the story. It's all about Imus, nobody else.

    That said, I'm willing to go to bat for Sharpton. At some very critical moments, he has stood up for what's right when other leaders would just give lip service, especially when we're talking about police brutality. I remember what happened after Amadou Diallo was shot. It was such an outrage, and it looked like nothing was going to happen. Sharpton and his National Action Center organized daily protests to bring pressure for some kind of accountability, a grand jury proceeding, something - SO, people would get arrested sitting in at One Police Plaza every day. Eventually David Dinkins and Charlie Rangel and a whole lot of other pols joined that direct action - in fact all sorts of people came out to block the entrance to One Police Plaza every day for weeks. By the time the thing went to court, there were more than 1,700 arrests. It was a powerful (and diverse) statement from the citizens of NYC. I was glad that Rev. Al Sharpton was around to make it happen. People loooove to take pot shots at him, but his effective organizing around Diallo and Louima and Eleanor Bumpers and Zongo and all the other profiled and murdered poor people of this city is what I remember.
  • pitu wrote: That said, I'm willing to go to bat for Sharpton. At some very critical moments, he has stood up for what's right when other leaders would just give lip service, especially when we're talking about police brutality. I remember what happened after Amadou Diallo was shot. It was such an outrage, and it looked like nothing was going to happen. Sharpton and his National Action Center organized daily protests to bring pressure for some kind of accountability, a grand jury proceeding, something - SO, people would get arrested sitting in at One Police Plaza every day. Eventually David Dinkins and Charlie Rangel and a whole lot of other pols joined that direct action - in fact all sorts of people came out to block the entrance to One Police Plaza every day for weeks. By the time the thing went to court, there were more than 1,700 arrests. It was a powerful (and diverse) statement from the citizens of NYC. I was glad that Rev. Al Sharpton was around to make it happen. People loooove to take pot shots at him, but his effective organizing around Diallo and Louima and Eleanor Bumpers and Zongo and all the other profiled and murdered poor people of this city is what I remember.
    I agree that he has done some good things, and that he fills a necessary role. In fact, I believe i said that earlier. Unlike me, you are apparently willing to overlook instances of racism and fraud that i pointed out from a man who holds himself up as religious and political leader. that is your right. Similarly, though you are not, I am willing to overlook occasional crossing the line by a comedic talk show host, and focus on the millions that he has raised for charity and the fact that he reached into his pockets for millions more for SIDS, kids with cancer, autism research, etc. That is my right.
  • The thing is joncane, I see no reason to compare Imus to anyone.
    His actions must be discussed on their own merits, and when you bring unrelated persons into the discussion, that tells me you don't really want to talk about what Imus did. Even when you recognize that what he did was wrong, if you must follow it by saying 'but other people did other things' you're missing the point.
    I believe the word is obfuscation, but I'm going to have to look that up.

    It's great that he gives millions away. He makes those millions making racist sexist homophobic f*'d up un-funny jokes, and I don't dig it. I know a nation of middle-aged white men are mourning their bad boy who gets away with what they wish they could say, but I don't dig that either.
    F* 'em.
  • pitu wrote: The thing is joncane, I see no reason to compare Imus to anyone.
    His actions must be discussed on their own merits, and when you bring unrelated persons into the discussion, that tells me you don't really want to talk about what Imus did. Even when you recognize that what he did was wrong, if you must follow it by saying 'but other people did other things' you're missing the point.
    I believe the word is obfuscation,
    Pitu:

    Serious question. If i started a post and slammed Sharpton for his repeated examples of racism, fraud and divisiveness, would you provide counterpoint and tell me what you see as his positives and why you choose to overlook or forgive his negatives? You certainly didn't do that in your previous response, but admittedly i set the precedent. Or, if someone of a questionable background (maybe Pat Buchanan or Bill O'Reilly each of whom have rabid followings) were the most vocal detractor of Sharpton, would you point out the hypocrisy and question whether someone like that is in a position to be critical? If the answers are no, and you would just accept that there were no factual inaccuracies in the statements against him, then you can accuse me of obfuscation.
  • the answers are a conditional yes, and I still maintain you or anyone else that reaches for Sharpton when discussing Imus is an obfuscantin' obfuscator.
    :wink:

    Sharpton was saying what had to be said. I was saying it too, but I don't attract the same major media attention. Come to think of it, I daresay the sh*tstorm over this hit because of the internets, not the Revs. Sharpton and Jackson.
  • pitu wrote: the answers are a conditional yes, and I still maintain you or anyone else that reaches for Sharpton when discussing Imus is an obfuscantin' obfuscator.
    :wink:
    and i still say that anyone who doesn't see the irony in Sharpton criticizing anyone for racially charged language isn't looking very hard. Shall we agree to disagree and give the board a break?
  • Nah, let's break the board.
    Admit you're missing the point, and that you are an obfuscatin' obfuscator obsessing on a messenger because you don't like the message.

    Please add this title to your profile.
    :D:D:D
  • Two wrongs don't make a right (but three sometimes do). By that logic, Sharpton gets the occasional free kick in my books; Imus does not.
  • pitu wrote: Nah, let's break the board.
    Admit you're missing the point, and that you are an obfuscatin' obfuscator obsessing on a messenger because you don't like the message.

    Please add this title to your profile.
    :D:D:D

    right after you admit that you're taking full advantage of that "vocabulary word of the day" desk calendar. :wink:
  • It takes an asshole like Rush to make Imus look tame:
    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/50979/
  • Compassionate Conservatism at one its best.
  • I heard there was only going to be 49 contestants in this years Miss Black America Contest because no one wanted to wear the sash reading "Idaho"
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