shooting on Eastern Parkway/Franklin last night?
My husband and I woke up this morning at around 4am to hear a barrage of gunshots. We live on Eastern Parkway between Franklin and Classon but closer to Classon; the shots sounded like they were coming from the direction of Franklin.
I looked out the window and saw a group of men running down our sidewalk towards Classon. Several minutes later police cars, a helicopter and an abulance appeared, heading down Eastern Parkway towards Franklin. The helicopter was clearly looking for the men I'd seen.
The group of men then regrouped in front of my building, this time talking loudly enough for me to hear that they "need to split up" or they were "going to the slammer." I called 911.
Does anyone know what happened?
I looked out the window and saw a group of men running down our sidewalk towards Classon. Several minutes later police cars, a helicopter and an abulance appeared, heading down Eastern Parkway towards Franklin. The helicopter was clearly looking for the men I'd seen.
The group of men then regrouped in front of my building, this time talking loudly enough for me to hear that they "need to split up" or they were "going to the slammer." I called 911.
Does anyone know what happened?
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I live closer to Franklin and heard it too. I thought I heard a single shot a little earlier, like around 3 or so, following a lot of shouting. Then at 4, more shouting and tons of shots, like 15 or 20. No idea what happened, though.
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My Roomie heard it- I was dead to the world. By the way, Bropook- what side of the parkway do you live on - museum side or the north side? (I live on the same block on the museum side.)
On the other side of me, however, is a building that I think was having a party or something (REALLY loud music playing most of the night.) -
Whatchuwant,
I live on the non-Museum side, across from the school. -
I heard it too....It was at 4am , and it was alot of shots.
I leave very close to Franklin....I heard men shouting , but didn't see anything because my windows face the back and side of the building.
Cops , helicopters , but I didn't hear the ambulance. -
i was just watching News 12, and they said a guy died, shot on Nostrand ave early Sunday morning. perhaps this was it? Or just a coincidence.
p.s. did they really use the word slammer?? heh -
Subject: Shots on EPW
Hi:
Thanks for the info. I did not hear it b/c I live on the courtyard side of my building where I don't hear anything from the street. Someone has tried to break into my apt. twice over the past 10 years that I live here--last May being the last attempt. Twice they came form the direction of the roof. Police said they suspected that they came from the direction of the buildings further down on EPW. All the buildings are joined from th middle of the block to Classon Ave. B/c of these incidents I try to keep plugged in to what is going on in the neighborhood. It is scary to know these incidents are happening right on our doorsteps. I have actually gone to Community Board 8 to discuss the crime issue in the neighborhood. There is also a monthly 77th Precinct Council meeting where these issues are covered. I have not attended one of these meetings but now I feel that I might have to to keep plugged into what is going on around me. Hopefully the more community residents get involved the less of these incidents we will see!!! Keep us posted if you hear anything. I am at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Classon.
BK Proud
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Perhaps this was it?
Two Killed in Separate Shootings
By MICHAEL WILSON
Published: April 23, 2007
Two men were killed in shootings in Brooklyn and Queens yesterday morning, the police said. In Queens, a 22-year-old man was shot once in the chest at Martense Avenue and 104th Street shortly before 1:30 a.m., the police said. There were no arrests yesterday, and the victim’s name was not released. In Brooklyn, a fight that began in Nostrand Donut Shop spilled outside, and a 20-year-old man, whose name was not released, was fatally shot in the chest, the police and witnesses said. The shooting occurred at Church Street and Nostrand Avenue shortly before 6 a.m. “I heard an argument, fighting in the doughnut shop, and then it went outside,†said Khaled Saleh, 38. “I heard the shot, like a small gun, one shot. One shot, that’s his life.â€
-- Metro briefing, New York Times 4/23/07 -
bojolais wrote: Perhaps this was it?
I don't think that was it. These shots were loud enough to wake us up at Eastern Parkway and Classon, and it was definitely at 4am. Plus there were multiple shots in this case. Argh.
Two Killed in Separate Shootings
By MICHAEL WILSON
Published: April 23, 2007
Two men were killed in shootings in Brooklyn and Queens yesterday morning, the police said. In Queens, a 22-year-old man was shot once in the chest at Martense Avenue and 104th Street shortly before 1:30 a.m., the police said. There were no arrests yesterday, and the victim’s name was not released. In Brooklyn, a fight that began in Nostrand Donut Shop spilled outside, and a 20-year-old man, whose name was not released, was fatally shot in the chest, the police and witnesses said. The shooting occurred at Church Street and Nostrand Avenue shortly before 6 a.m. “I heard an argument, fighting in the doughnut shop, and then it went outside,†said Khaled Saleh, 38. “I heard the shot, like a small gun, one shot. One shot, that’s his life.â€
-- Metro briefing, New York Times 4/23/07
Is there some reason this isn't being publicised? I want to ask the police officers I usually see at the Franklin station but they haven't been there recently. -
Damn. That means there were more shootings. You can call the precinct and they will tell you what happened. (718) 735-0611
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Get used to it.
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Nope. Not gonna get used to it. And not going to accept that bad attitude. I will do my small part to change things for the better.
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You may be one of the few. Did you happen to see 60 Minutes last night and the Stop Snitchin' segment? Pretty disturbing.
60 Minutes wrote: In most communities, a person who sees a murder and helps the police put the killer behind bars is called a witness. But in many inner-city neighborhoods in this country that person is called a "snitch."
Good luck!
"Stop snitchin'" is a catchy hip-hop slogan that embodies and encourages this attitude. You can find it on everything from rap music videos to clothing. "Stop snitchin'" once meant "don’t tell on others if you’re caught committing a crime."
But as CNN's Anderson Cooper reports for 60 Minutes, it has come to mean something much more dangerous: "don’t cooperate with the police – no matter who you are."
As a result, police say, witnesses are not coming forward. Murders are going unsolved.
Reluctance to talk to police has always been a problem in poor, predominantly African-American communities, but cops and criminologists say in recent years something has changed: fueled by hip-hop music, promoted by major corporations, what was once a backroom code of silence among criminals, is now being marketed like never before. -
I did and it sounded scary, although I am not sure that wasn't a little bit media manufactured. The media takes a small problem and spreads the tale as if it's a ubuquitous problem. I am skeptical of that.
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bropook wrote: Is there some reason this isn't being publicised? I want to ask the police officers I usually see at the Franklin station but they haven't been there recently.
Oh there is oh-so-much that you will now see & hear that will NOT be listed in any newspaper or heard in any news program. (i.e., "The news is to be sold....not to be told.") And as to all of the murders that others listed and inquired whether was the same incident...I would bet that they were totally different murders occurring at about the same time. It's like when the footage of cops pummeling Rodney King hit the news....the ghettoes weren't the LEAST bit surprised except over the fact that someone caught it on tape...ghettoes had seen that take place countless times...as it has murders that go completely unreported.
I agree with Bojolais though that you shouldn't get used to it at all. Doing so is like seeing roaches in your apt. and not doing anything about it or even changing your behavior...it will only get worse. Criminals come to know which areas are the most apathetic and which are the most vigilant.
Lastly, snitching (and its repercussions) is a very real phenomenon in the inner-city...but everyone does it or else these cops would be completely lost in the sauce. They can't do their jobs w/o snitches. So everyone snitches, but its like cheating on your taxes...you keep it LOW!
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OK. So the calming reports I got to the safety questions for the area were a bit premature. I know you said wait until the weather gets warm, there'll be more activity than in the cold weather.
Does this really happen on a regular basis and if it does..........how the hell do you live there and feel at all safe and not violated by these completely self centered criminals????
I can't help but see day after day lately there are shootings, stabbings, poor Mo in the deli that got his face beat in cause someone didn't like the results of a lottery ticket.
Like he had any say in it!!
I am a bit freaked out at this point and all of you on the boards seem like such nice and sensible people. OK there are some arguments and provocations, but so what??
How do you live there and not know that a stray bullet might not fly through your window or the one next to your child's bed??
It's like the wild west.............. -
I don't want to be preachy about this, but calling Crown Heights the Wild West is a serious exaggeration which I think is kind of offensive to people who have been living in this neighborhood for years. And this is the kind of attitude that makes more recent transplants (gentrifiers!) look even more like interlopers.
Common sense dictates that violent crime can happen anywhere at any time. (Read the crime beat in the Park Slope papers for examples of scary stuff that happens in broad daylight in Yuppieville.) Obviously, crime levels are higher in Crown Heights, but it's not like we walk down the street and see people getting mugged left and right.
This isn't the first or, I expect, the last time I'll hear gunfire in the middle of the night, but I'm not going to blow things out of proportion. But your tolerance for such things might be a little different--it's a personal thing. If you want hard data on what goes on in our hood, you might want to check out the weekly Compstat reports on the NYPD's site. -
Anonymous wrote: I don't want to be preachy about this, but calling Crown Heights the Wild West is a serious exaggeration which I think is kind of offensive to people who have been living in this neighborhood for years. And this is the kind of attitude that makes more recent transplants (gentrifiers!) look even more like interlopers.
well said, guest! i wish you'd register and stick around....
dakotas way, i'm pretty sure you don't live here. of course you have every right to comment anyway, but please do keep in mind many of us DO live here by choice. i, for one, don't like being treated like i'm crazy for doing so. -
bropook wrote: Is there some reason this isn't being publicised?
Yeah, like someone said, news is to be sold, not told. About a year ago I was on my way meeting a friend at 119th street and 8th ave, and I'm on the phone with her getting directions while i'm driving uptown, and a kid got shot 9 times, died, cops were there, whole block closed off most of the night (my friends cars stuck in the crime scene, too, they couldn't leave) and this all happened at like 10:30pm... I was horrified, I hadn't moved to the city long before and never even came that close to a shooting (even though it was my friend that witnessed it, not me. and she wasn't too shooken up). but anyway, i searched and searched and searched for something, ANYthing in the news, any news. Never a word. Nine shots, kid dead, not a word. So, yeah, I don't expect anything from the news.
Anyway, as far as dakota's way's post -- I've been here since October, have never heard gunshots, never seen any violence -- hell, never really even felt unsafe. I'm aware of the crime stats but I feel comfortable here because I feel I know how to handle myself (even though I know I'm not exempt), I know my neighbors, I'm friendly but I mind my business, and I use common sense. Like evryone else said, I truly believe that something coul dhappen to me ANYWHERE i go. Hell, I could get hit by a bus while crossing the street (or side-swiped while driving, for that matter... they're crazy, they'll pull out right in front of you) or any other numbe rof horrible things could happen. How could I live my life going 'what if what if'? Gunshots are not flying by my head, I'm all good. -
I apologize if I insulted anyone. I didn't mean to in any way. The reason I asked the safety questions was because my daughter just moved into Crown Heights and being a mother and reading some of the events of late, it is a concern.
And you are absolutely right. Anything could happen any time, any place.
And using the term wild west may have been too strong. I meant that the people doing these crimes are out of control.
My daughter has wanted to live in NYC since she was 10 years old and I'm happy she's living her dream.
It just seemed like so much happened in the last few weeks that was pretty intense.
And being a worrier, it caught my attention.
Things can happen anywhere. You could be in the woods and a hunter could hit you by mistake or ice could fall off of a plane, etc.
Anyhow, I did not mean to insult anyone and I truly hope you're all happy and safe in your neighborhoods. -
Did anybody mentioned the shooting that occured on St. Johns and Troy at about 1:00pm today(Monday)? Two people shot, one of them was making a delivery. One victim was "likely to die".
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ParadeRest wrote: Did anybody mentioned the shooting that occured on St. Johns and Troy at about 1:00pm today(Monday)? Two people shot, one of them was making a delivery. One victim was "likely to die".
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34698 -
sweet tea wrote: [quote=Anonymous]I don't want to be preachy about this, but calling Crown Heights the Wild West is a serious exaggeration which I think is kind of offensive to people who have been living in this neighborhood for years. And this is the kind of attitude that makes more recent transplants (gentrifiers!) look even more like interlopers.
well said, guest! i wish you'd register and stick around....
dakotas way, i'm pretty sure you don't live here. of course you have every right to comment anyway, but please do keep in mind many of us DO live here by choice. i, for one, don't like being treated like i'm crazy for doing so.
Ditto.
My mom never got online when she was alive, something for which I'm thankful for many reasons. Not the least of which would have been the possibility of her monitoring my neighborhood discussion forum and freaking out about crime in the area (nothing personal, Dakotas Way, but that would have driven me nuts!). She was one of those folks who thought you got stabbed the second you set foot in NYC.
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No need to apologize, Dakotas Way. People have different tolerance levels for neighborhood crime and violence and it's perfectly acceptable to stick to you standards and be concerned about the safety of your child. And, yes, there's some truth to the "anything, anywhere, anytime" dictum, but violent crime is far more likely to occur in some areas as opposed to others. Violent crime rates (not anectdotal cases) are much higher in Crown Heights or Brownsville than they are in Park Slope or Brooklyn Heights. Of course, when this elementary fact is mentioned, people inevitably post about the time that they were mugged in Park Slope or their car was burglarized in Carroll Gardens, etc., as if that somehow refutes the point.
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Dakota's Way,
Perhaps you should come visit? I think you would feel better if you saw where your daughter lives. It is not the war zone it sounds like. -
Actually, I was there to help her move in and the neighborhood seemed nice. People were friendly enough and she seems happy.
It was just the spate of shootings that unnerved me, as in simply by being a bystander like the soda delivery guy who was shot on St Johns on Monday.
I am, in fact, coming in to visit on Saturday.
And I appreciate what Jack Krohn said about tolerance levels.
I guess I just don't understand why people do what they do when they start taking out guns to solve challenges. Then again, I'm against hunting simply for the "sport" too. If you hunt something, eat it and are humane in the act, I still don't like it, but it is what it is. But when you get the macho hunters who shoot for the fun of it and leave the carcass of a beautiful deer who wasn't bothering anyone, I have a real problem with it and have confronted them on several occassions. I guess, if you removed them from the country setting, these could be the guys who randomly shoot each other in the cities, just a different place and creature they're hunting.
Anyhow, I applaude you all for liking where you live and making it a neighborhood to be proud of, as happened here.
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Crime statistics don't kill you, in fact, I've never heard of a single person even seriously injured by one.
Jack Krohn
Of course, when this elementary fact is mentioned, people inevitably post about the time that they were mugged in Park Slope or their car was burglarized in Carroll Gardens, etc., as if that somehow refutes the point
Me, I'm more likely to look out for guys with guns. So far, I haven't had the misfortune of seeing any here in Crown Heights. Nor did I see any the 25 years I lived in Park Slope. For me, the rest is just anecdotal and hearsay.
Personally I think a lot of people don't do a lot of things just based on something they read in the newspaper. While this strategy may increase your knowledge of TV trivia, it won't help your tan or your street smarts. And when they do go outside, they'll probably be the only one that gets mugged on the block the whole year. -
i blame hiphop for this whole "stop snitching" movement. rap songs are to blame for police who have criminalized minorities for generations. and yes, foul-mouthed ditties are the reason that young black dudes are reluctant to cooperate with the same filthy pigs who frisk them amd harrass them on a daily basis. it's just a sad state of affairs, because every society has always looked so favorably on people who snitch -- that is, until rap came along. i hate rap so much it makes my penis ache.
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i've split off the posts in this thread dealing with the openness of this forum, so that we can continue both conversations. Those posts are HERE: http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34764
carry on. -
it's me, snitches. wrote: i blame hiphop for this whole "stop snitching" movement. rap songs are to blame for police who have criminalized minorities for generations. and yes, foul-mouthed ditties are the reason that young black dudes are reluctant to cooperate with the same filthy pigs who frisk them amd harrass them on a daily basis. it's just a sad state of affairs, because every society has always looked so favorably on people who snitch -- that is, until rap came along.
Ha! Funny stuff there! Assuming of course that this is a joke... -
daver wrote: [quote=it's me, snitches.]i blame hiphop for this whole "stop snitching" movement. rap songs are to blame for police who have criminalized minorities for generations. and yes, foul-mouthed ditties are the reason that young black dudes are reluctant to cooperate with the same filthy pigs who frisk them amd harrass them on a daily basis. it's just a sad state of affairs, because every society has always looked so favorably on people who snitch -- that is, until rap came along.
Ha! Funny stuff there! Assuming of course that this is a joke...
I don't think it is a joke. Did you watch the 60 minutes story on this? One of the people interviewed mentioned that music used to reflect what was happening on the street but now it is driving what is going on. There's been a shift.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2007/04/stop-snitchin-troubling-slogan.html
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