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Shootings around Franklin--at least 4 in the past four days

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  • paraderest
    paraderest
    Here's what I don't understand... People complain that there aren't enough cops out on the street but at the same time complain that the cops just harass people and give them a hard time for "loitering" or drinking in public. If you want cops out on the street then you have to accept the fact they are going to address whatever condition they see. If you have a problem with cops giving tickets for open containers then you need to lobby your councilman to get Admin Code 10-125(2b) repealed.

    Unfortunately the majority suffer for the minority. A few people hang out on the stoop on the corner of Nostrand and Park drinking. Next thing you know they get into an alcohol fueled fight when one of them makes a comment about the other guys girl. That's when the guy goes home to get his gun and comes back to shoot the big mouth (and himself in the process.) Did I mention that none of the other 8 people who were sitting on the stoop saw any of what happened?

    Another example of the many suffering for the misdeeds of the few is the fact that people can't be in the NYC parks after dusk. 99% of those in the park at night are good people. Unfortunately one night somebody will get the idea to rob somebody of their IPOD, cell phone, backpack. In order to combat the robbery problem the cops will enforce all park rules/regs.
  • leeho
    leeho
    [quote="young snitch"]a few quick facts according to:
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cs077pct.pdf

    1990 had 70 murders, 99 rapes, 2,412 robberies, 1,307 assaults and 2,130 burglaries.

    2005 had 12 murders, 16 rapes, 406 robberies, 346 assaults and 313 burglaries.
    Excellent point, well done with the stats, young snitch! Seriously. This neighborhood has come such a long way for such hyperbole to be posted! :D
  • masha99
    masha99
    From Young Snitch: ... more trees, bike lanes, better supermarkets, a real bank, getting rid of bulletproof glass in chinese restaurants, better trash cleanup, community vegetable gardens ...

    hear, hear. I'd love a community vegetable garden. Anyone know of a possible spot?
  • cowgirly
    cowgirly
    Masha, there are numerous community gardens throughout the area. Here's a database to find the one closest to you:
    http://www.oasisnyc.net/gardens/cenycmapsearch.asp

    Also, there's another thread on this CH board about an amazing garden next to the Shuttle station on Eastern/Franklin.

    And for what it's worth, we're getting a Washington Mutual bank opening within the month, on the corner of Bedford/Eastern.
  • masha99
    masha99
    Thank you!
  • neene
    neene
    I believe that helping your neighborhood grow happens over time and through many different avenues, therefore I don’t agree that working through the precinct or the community board is not effective, but I do agree with the rest of young snitch’s post
    young snitch wrote: it's great that people want to get involved with the press and community boards. but you're beating the wrong drum. muster up the same energy for more trees, bike lanes, better supermarkets, a real bank, getting rid of bulletproof glass in chinese restaurants, better trash cleanup, community vegetable gardens or any other real improvement and stop screaming about an imaginary plague of violence.
    To that end, last night Evangeline Porter gave a wonderful history of our neighborhood and the work the Crow Hill Community Council has accomplished in the past to help bring this area back to its former glory (including tree planting, tree guards, getting trash cans on the corners, sweeping Franklin, et., etc, etc.).

    If you don’t have a block association to work with, than join up with Crow Hill and if you do have one, please make sure that you keep Crow Hill informed of your activities and concerns so that the sense of community integrity keeps growing. Their email is [email protected]

    BTW, The Crow Hill Community Council does have 5013C status, so any projects/money run through them is tax deductible.

    I also did have a long discussion with Detective Raton this morning and he was adamant about 2 things:
    1. crime continues to drop in our community (despite periodic surges)
    2. the community must stay involved and voice their concerns at the community council meetings.

    regardless of one's take on what is/is not effective, when we were part of the "impact zone" (more police presence) street crime was down, we are coming up for consideration again for this in november and i for one want to make it clear that this community needs more attention

    I am starting a community email contact list, if anyone wants to be included, you can pm me with your information.
  • anonymous
    anonymous
    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0348,ince,48972,5.html

    http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1453
  • leeho
    leeho
    Oldbie,

    Why post an article from 2003 at this point? Also, there are a ton of threads on the sanitation worker gunned down here. I just don't see the point about posting something from a few years ago about where we are now. Better energy might be spent on reading a book on community outreach and starting to convince those that most people in any neighborhood they live in care about it. Nonsense from 03' does nothing to make the streets safer, or improve lives. It exercises our eyes and that's about it. :shock:
  • anonymous
    anonymous
    THE VILLAGE VOICE ARTICLE IS FROM 2003-- NOT RELEVANT

    http://www.villagevoice.com/ne.....972,5.html

    http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1453
  • anniewilde
    anniewilde

    Subject: crime in the 77th is up over last year, tremendously

    Go on the nyc.gov website--these are the crime stats. Murder is up one hundred and fifty seven percent from last year, and rape is up one hundred percent from the same time last year. I'm very reluctant to engage in anonymous critique, but some of the comments here--the hostile posturing and repeated bashing of so-called "newcomers," are just silly. The notion, further, that the police are somehow a gentrification tool is absurd. Every black person I've talked to in this neighborhood wishes that there was a bigger police presence and less crime. A new friend here who grew up in this place and has lived here all his life recently told me about all of his dead friends. He finds it pretty painful to even talk about. So-called "low income caribbean people" are, surprise surprise, a whole hell of a lot like you and me. In fact, who the hell is to say there aren't some "low income" people from the caribbean posting on this board! Please leave the fake-hip poseur racism at home, and learn to read. The crime stats are quite clear, and the fact is--black people hate crime as much as the next person, particularly when they are usually its most frequent victims. A small group of kids is terrorizing this neighborhood of largely working and middle class folks, and community gardens are not going to stop them.
  • anniewilde
    anniewilde

    Subject: crime in the 77th is up over last year, tremendously

    sorry--I guess I can't read either--it's murder that's up a hundred percent, and rape's up one hundred and fifty seven percent over this same time last year. Seems rather--statistically significant, no?
  • blksafyre
    blksafyre
    Anonymous wrote: THE VILLAGE VOICE ARTICLE IS FROM 2003-- NOT RELEVANT

    http://www.villagevoice.com/ne.....972,5.html

    http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1453
    Can someone please post the article. The link doesn't work.

    Thanks.
  • capt. planet
    capt. planet
    Masha99 wrote: From Young Snitch: ... more trees, bike lanes, better supermarkets, a real bank, getting rid of bulletproof glass in chinese restaurants, better trash cleanup, community vegetable gardens ...

    hear, hear. I'd love a community vegetable garden. Anyone know of a possible spot?
    There a large community garden on Bergen bet. Nostrand and NY, close to Nostrand. They've had a garden patches in the past near the back of the garden, but sadly most of the maintenance of the garden is now provided by folks doing community service as part of a court sentence.

    Two ladies, Hazel Hurley and Yvonne Harris, have been instrumental in keeping it alive during the bad years. I'm sure they would welcome your help. I believe the garden is typically open to the public on Saturdays.
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