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Red Hook ballfields Vendors permit not renewed after 2007? — Brooklynian

Red Hook ballfields Vendors permit not renewed after 2007?

pitu
edited November -1 in Red Hook
http://nymag.com/daily/food/2007/06/is_this_the_last_summer_of_the_1.html#gs-hp
Is This the Last Summer of the Red Hook Park Vendors?

It seemed to good to be true — and it was.Photos by Alexa Matson
Brace yourselves, Latin-food lovers: The Red Hook ball fields, home to the city’s most beloved cluster of food vendors, may be closing for good in September. The city, eager as ever for the fat stacks that only a bidding war by commercial concessions can offer, has given the vendors notice that their Temporary Use Agreement, the permit given to them by the Department of Parks and Recreation, won’t be renewed. The city wants to open the parks up for concession bids, which will almost certainly mean an end to the makeshift food stalls that have been operating there for over ten years.

“They told us that the last day we can operate in the park is September 8,” Cesar Fuentes, the executive director of the Food Vendors Committee of Red Hook Park, Inc. “The only person that can extend our permit beyond this season is the Commissioner of Parks.” Fuentes says that the only hope the park has is for New Yorkers to write the commissioner and to testify on behalf of the vendors as a cultural institution. “People need to say that the vendors bring something of value to the community, to Red Hook and Brooklyn … [because] we can’t compete with multi-million-dollar corporations.” Currently, Fuentes is asking the city to extend the permit at least for twelve more operating days, or until the usual closing, in October. Will 2007 go down as an annus horribilis for New York, an economic apocalypse that swallowed up the ball fields, Astroland, and possibly even Katz’s, all in the same year? Given that the ball fields, unlike the other two, are public property, at least one New York food institution stands a fighting chance.

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  • NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    write the parks commissioner here: http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_ask_commissioner/ask_the_commissioner.html

    i just sent an email and plan to send a paper letter later.

    all that is necessary for fluffy giant pretzels to triumph is for people with tastebuds to do nothing!
  • F*&$%#!!! MO*#!@% GOd DAMN SO#^@%BI&;#$#HS!
    F%!# :evil: :evil: :x :evil:
    UURRG!!!

    My name is Mamacita, you killed my Huarache PREPARE TO DIEEEEEE!!!!!

    (I'll write a letter tonight!)
  • More information can be found here.

    This is so incredibly insane. For the Parks Dept to think that it would be a good idea to evict these vendors and replace them with .... what? The vendors are a destination. i find it highly unlikely that Parks will get a similar attractor through a standard concession process.

    (I bumped the post to Global bc I'm mad as hell)
  • Web email form for Parks Commissioner Benepe:
    http://nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html

    Web email for Mayor Bloomberg:
    http://tinyurl.com/2jjtgt

    Email address for Borough President Markowitz:
    [email protected]

    Web email for City Council Member Gonzalez:
    http://www.nyccouncil.info/constituent/email_form.cfm?con_id=83
  • I emailed all four people. Everyone else do the same!
  • adrian benepe = xxxxxxxxx. (mod deleted profanity)

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  • The "vendors" there started out years ago as an offshoot of families watching friends and relatives compete. The homemade food was fantastic--the real thing as opposed to the commercial stuff, and the families made a few bucks. I don't think they were licensed at all. Who cares? After all, it was good, healthy, cheap food prepared by wonderful local people.

    Then it was discovered by papers like The New York Times. You could see the destructive storm clouds forming. Articles like that bring in the novice foodies--people from Manhattan who think you can get a real Brooklyn pizza in Dumbo--and politicians looking to squeeze a dollar from anywhere, regardless of whom it harms.

    Hopefully, they will see the error in their ways. But I am not confident. RIP Red Hook ballfield food. Maybe they will be resurrected somewhere else.
  • Subject: Will it never end??

    This seriously sucks. I've already written a letter. Commercialism and greed is killing our borough at a pace we've never witnessed, and this is just one more horrible example. What will they replace them with? Those garbage hot dog vendors that are a blight on Central Park? Speak up people!!!
  • vintagejames wrote: The "vendors" there started out years ago as an offshoot of families watching friends and relatives compete. The homemade food was fantastic--the real thing as opposed to the commercial stuff, and the families made a few bucks. I don't think they were licensed at all. Who cares? After all, it was good, healthy, cheap food prepared by wonderful local people.

    Then it was discovered by papers like The New York Times. You could see the destructive storm clouds forming. Articles like that bring in the novice foodies--people from Manhattan who think you can get a real Brooklyn pizza in Dumbo--and politicians looking to squeeze a dollar from anywhere, regardless of whom it harms.

    Hopefully, they will see the error in their ways. But I am not confident. RIP Red Hook ballfield food. Maybe they will be resurrected somewhere else.
    I kind of see your point, but not completely. I think it's fantastic that the vendors have attracted a larger audience and fan base... it certainly helps them make more money and grow their businesses. Who cares if they attract "novice foodies"? There ain't much opportunity in NYC to experience comida autentico latinoamericano so I'm 100% in favor of their growing popularity (as long as I don't have to wait in a long line for my huarache).

    The true deathknell for the vendors was Fairway and Ikea. That probably ignited the dollar signs in the Parks Dept's eyes. I think it's a grave mistake for them to make, esp if they think they'll get something more lucrative or successful out of a standard Parks concession.
  • A web site is now up about the pending disaster...
    http://savesoccertacos.blogspot.com/
  • Livetotravel wrote: A web site is now up about the pending disaster...
    http://savesoccertacos.blogspot.com/
    Thanks for the link! I like their standard letter that you can cut and paste, which I will do pronto.
  • From today's NYTimes. The situation doesn't seem to be as dire as originally depicted.

    Red Hook Vendors Pressed to Get New Permit

    By PETER MEEHAN
    Published: June 6, 2007
    PUPUSAS, sunburns, soccer: could this be the last summer to get them all at the same place?

    For years a pan-Latin group of food vendors has assembled each Saturday and Sunday at Bay and Clinton Streets in Brooklyn, drawing fans of street food from all over the city to the Red Hook Recreation Area.

    The Food Vendors Committee, their umbrella organization, has had a series of temporary use permits, regularly renewed. But the Parks Department now says that if the vendors are to stay at the ball fields, they will need to bid for their space like vendors at other parks and have the bid accepted by the city.

    Cesar Fuentes, executive director of the group, said that when he renewed the temporary permit most recently (ensuring that the vendors would be at the park through Sept. 8), he was told that he could not renew it again, even though the vendors’ season usually ends in October. The news came “like a bucket of ice water,” he said.

    Warner Johnston, chief spokesman for the Parks Department, said it was trying to apply the same rules and permits for all vendors in all parks. He said department officials hoped the vendors’ group would submit a bid.

    “We love these groups,” Mr. Johnston said. “We know what a resource they are.”

    He said the organization now pays about $9,000 a season, but he had no idea how much a successful bid for a permit would cost. (Permits for hot dog stands in Central Park vary hugely, he said, depending on location: from $600 to $300,000 a season.) No other requests have been received for the space in Red Hook.

    Mr. Fuentes said the vendors’ worst fear was that a big company would win the bid. But of the Parks Department, he said, “I have faith they’ll do what’s in the best interest of the community and what’s right for the people who use the park.”
  • I think that's pretty dire -- and as far as I know that's the same thing that's been said since the news broke a few days ago.
  • http://www.seriouseats.com/required_eating/2007/06/breaking-red-hook-ball-fields.html#comments

    Breaking: Red Hook Ball Fields Press Conference Tomorrow

    Posted by Alaina Browne on June 8, 2007

    This just in: word is that New York Senator Charles Schumer will be holding a press conference tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. at the Red Hook ball fields in support of the family food vendors. Andrew Carmalini of A Voce and Cesar Fuentes of the Food Vendors Committee of Red Hook Park Inc. will also be in attendance.
  • redhookred wrote: http://www.seriouseats.com/required_eating/2007/06/breaking-red-hook-ball-fields.html#comments

    Breaking: Red Hook Ball Fields Press Conference Tomorrow

    Posted by Alaina Browne on June 8, 2007

    This just in: word is that New York Senator Charles Schumer will be holding a press conference tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. at the Red Hook ball fields in support of the family food vendors. Andrew Carmalini of A Voce and Cesar Fuentes of the Food Vendors Committee of Red Hook Park Inc. will also be in attendance.
    omigod, that's excellent
    (and Chuck Schumer is the master of the weekend press conference, sure to be covered by all local news. Yeah!)
  • My belief is this is all based on economics and the middle class families that are moving into the area. Not too long ago the new residents tried to have the name changed from Red Hook to Liberty Heights. I think the Bloomberg Administration smells money. They'd like to get rid of the small vendors in favor of bigger vendors with deeper pockets so they can collect more money.
    It can also be construed as race related politics.

    The Administration is wrong.
  • The Administration is sooooooo wrong!
    Anybody had food out at Riis Park? Blechy concession stands . . .
    I wish there was enough of a Mexican population going there to draw someone with a cooler of tamales for sale!

    Anyway, the middle class people moving over there are part of that NYTimes-reading demographic that drools overs the ballfields authentic deliciousness.
    For example, anyone moving here from California is desperate for decent Mexican food.

    Plus the people that keep those futbol leagues alive don't all live in Red Hook - do any of them live in Red Hook?
  • What to do? The Administration is headed by a corporate figure. To him this running New York is like running a business. You go where the money is. He's going for the money. Consider this...he brought back New York from the brink without raising taxes, but at what cost? Someone always pays. The small vendors should think of a way to become a larger more economically powerful entity. We can see the way things are going in New York City. The little person is being shoved aside in favor of the person with more money. It's happening with real estate, hence no affordable apartments. Where are working ppl going to move? The landlords smell money so they are increasing their rents. They kick out the low paying stabilized tenant, put up a few dollars to make a cosmetic change only, say they made a major capital investment, and raise the rent to market value. Who can afford to pay $1500.00 to $2500.00 a month rent? Only the newcomers that are moving in. So where are working class ppl going to move? Not to Bushwick. The rent there is also rising. Landlords are already looking for $900.00 and better. Sooner or later things will turn for the worst in New York. Ppl will revolt. The youth will take it to the streets. With no jobs as outsourcing continues...things look bleak. All I can say is tell a joke and laugh while we can.
  • Huh. What's next? The food stands at the drumming circle in the park?
  • Hey, you never know. Better go up there and buy everything you can this coming weekend. The Administration may shut them down and send them packing. Maybe Nathan's will move in now that they are shutting down Coney Island.
  • pitu wrote: [quote=redhookred]http://www.seriouseats.com/required_eating/2007/06/breaking-red-hook-ball-fields.html#comments

    Breaking: Red Hook Ball Fields Press Conference Tomorrow

    Posted by Alaina Browne on June 8, 2007

    This just in: word is that New York Senator Charles Schumer will be holding a press conference tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. at the Red Hook ball fields in support of the family food vendors. Andrew Carmalini of A Voce and Cesar Fuentes of the Food Vendors Committee of Red Hook Park Inc. will also be in attendance.
    omigod, that's excellent

    (and Chuck Schumer is the master of the weekend press conference, sure to be covered by all local news. Yeah!)

    A few of us were there this weekend. Lots of media and a really nice and fun vibe. Vendors were upbeat and the crowed was stuffing themselves with amazing food. LOVE the Ball Fields! Tons of families too.
  • fyi, here's the response i just received from the parks commish:

    Dear Constituent:

    Thank you for your email regarding the food vendors at Red Hook Park in Brooklyn.

    The New York City Department of Parks & Recreation has been issuing "Temporary Use Authorizations" to two separate groups to operate a food market at the ballfields in Red Hook Park. We began the process a few years ago in an effort to legalize the vendors at Red Hook, helping them become a permanent fixture in the neighborhood, and the park users have benefited from their presence. They enhance and diversify the Red Hook neighborhood, and particularly our ballfields, by serving great food at reasonable prices. Unfortunately, once it became clear that the Red Hook markets would regularly be open for more than 29 days a year, we could no longer legally renew their temporary permits without opening up the concession to the public solicitation process.

    I would, however, like to correct a common misperception that we are offering the site to the "highest bidder." In order to comply with the concession regulations in the New York City Charter, we will issue a Request for Proposals (RFP). This will allow Parks to evaluate proposals based on qualitative criteria such as operating experience and planned operations. We plan on releasing a RFP shortly for the operation of vending markets at the various ballfields at Red Hook Park; the term of the license will be six years. This process will give the selected vendors the permanence and regularity that they deserve.

    We have received positive feedback regarding the Red Hook vending markets and we look forward to the active participation of the existing vending groups at Red Hook in the proposal process.

    I appreciate your taking the time to write.

    Sincerely,

    Adrian Benepe
    Commissioner
  • I was there on Saturday and there were newscrews from several channels doing stories on this permit issue.
  • BigGuy, Christina and I were at the ballfields on Saturday and saw the parks commish getting fed and tamarindo-juiced by some (assumed) local politicos. an older woman and a short man - both hispanic. I was too busy ordering my yumtastic taco to eavesdrop effectively.

    (btw - walking to the ballfields from prospect heights is a fuckin' bad idea in this weather)
  • I was too busy ordering my yumtastic taco to eavesdrop effectively.
    I listened a bit - it sounded like he didn't really know anything about the food which is probably to his credit. At least, it implies that he's not hitting them up every week for free food. Let me tell you, if I was working for parks over there...I guess I'll keep quiet in case I ever run for public office.
  • This is gonna make a lot of people very happy.....

    Red Hook Ballfield Vendors Win Six Year Permit

    http://gothamist.com/2008/03/11/red_hook_ballfi_2.php
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