Fear of Pitbull

steve wrote: I don't understand why women hate Paris so much. Women love all these other America's top idiots, and pretty girl actresses with no skills. At least Paris gives good...

She seems to be a pretty unpleasant person. At least that's the impression I got from all that "Firecrotch" nonsense. Plus, a friend of mine claims he got herpes from her. So, she doesn't really do it for me.

steve wrote: I don't understand why women hate Paris so much. Women love all these other America's top idiots, and pretty girl actresses with no skills. At least Paris gives good...

Do you really NOT understand? She has no talent and is completely condescending to people. She has been reported to frequently call people "nigger", even around her former BFF, Nicole Richie. Making statements like "I am the Marilyn Monroe of this generation", acting like a spoiled child who thinks she deserves things just because she's wealthy....carrying around a kinkajou - an animal that is not meant to be a domesticated pet.....I could go on and on.

Give me somebody with talent any day.

I don't think it's women who like these idiots....it's MEN!

"At least Paris gives good .....?" Is that something that makes you like her? That's a pretty sad statement of what you think makes a woman special, Steve.

(and now back to the pitbulls.........).

Flexi, you really couldn't have proved my point any better, you sound incensed! Your use of all caps and an exclamation point when you wrote "it's MEN!" really underscored how strongly you feel about what was meant to be a fairly innocuous question.

In fact, I don't read too much about celebrities so I hadn"t heard half the stories you mentioned, but several women I know had recently made off the cuff remarks about her, similar to Precious's, and, I thought I would ask. I didn't realize you knew so much about her or I might have just PM'd you. I do very much value your reasoned opinions of course.

Finally, I can't believe you were being serious when you implied that you thought my off the cuff remark represented what I thought made a women special! Obviously, it was a silly (though honest) remark about a famous celebrity "incident". I'm sure you got that and were just being disingenous when you implied otherwise, though between you, me and the rest of the internet; I'm yet to meet a man or a woman who didn't appreciate good head from their partner, have you?

Flexichick wrote: [quote=steve]I don't understand why women hate Paris so much. Women love all these other America's top idiots, and pretty girl actresses with no skills. At least Paris gives good...

Do you really NOT understand? She has no talent and is completely condescending to people. She has been reported to frequently call people "nigger", even around her former BFF, Nicole Richie. Making statements like "I am the Marilyn Monroe of this generation", acting like a spoiled child who thinks she deserves things just because she's wealthy....carrying around a kinkajou - an animal that is not meant to be a domesticated pet.....I could go on and on.

Give me somebody with talent any day.

I don't think it's women who like these idiots....it's MEN!

"At least Paris gives good .....?" Is that something that makes you like her? That's a pretty sad statement of what you think makes a woman special, Steve.

(and now back to the pitbulls.........).

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-9/1158557680254830.xml&coll=1

she looks like a rat. I'm always shocked at how many men think rat-face is cute.

Speaking of dogs - did you read that story about the doberman that attacked its owner was sent to be put to sleep and wound up being adopted out to another woman and killing her? I posted a link. Most shelters would never do such a thing but it does put me off adopting a dog whose history I do not know


http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-9/1158557680254830.xml&coll=1

Steve, I should have amended that to read "non-thinking men (and perhaps some women)".

I truly don't know you or care about you well enough to be that mad about you or your opinions.

That said, I personally found your comment about liking her because she supposedly gives good head rather pitiful. As for PMing me....don't bother.

Steve - you have no way of knowing what I'm mad about, do you? Then again, I think you just don't get what I find offensive about what you have said, and you might never.

Let's keep this about Pit Bulls and not the "redeeming qualities" of Paris Hilton and her videos, ok?

I refrained from attacking you personally, trust me.....I mentally edited the things I really thought about YOU. I do have an opinion about what you SAID, and that's what my comments reflected.

Seriously - let it go or it is just going to escalate, and I'm not interested in going there.

On that note, I won't be reading this Pit Bull thread any more.

Excellent! I'm sure I hold you in the same high esteem despite the fact that you're someone I don't even know. :roll:

The pictures and stories on that site were very sad. Dogs who have been abused by humans to this degree are even more likely to snap in the future. I don't think they should be adopted out to anybody after that, unfortunately. If a drug dealer stabs a pit in the head and kicks it, when that pit encounters a kind, gentle man in a new adoptive home, how is he necessarily going to know that this new man isn't an abuser too? What's to stop him going nuts and mauling the new guy?

For what it's worth, one of my friends has two adopted pits who were horribly abused by their original owners. The only remaining problem they seem to have is that they cower if you make any quick, unexpected movements (which always makes me feel so guilty!). They're very gentle, adore affection, and think they're lapdogs -- pretty funny when one of these big dogs tries to crawl up in your lap.

WhyFi wrote: [quote=Precious Williams]The pictures and stories on that site were very sad. Dogs who have been abused by humans to this degree are even more likely to snap in the future. I don't think they should be adopted out to anybody after that, unfortunately. If a drug dealer stabs a pit in the head and kicks it, when that pit encounters a kind, gentle man in a new adoptive home, how is he necessarily going to know that this new man isn't an abuser too? What's to stop him going nuts and mauling the new guy?

You would think that, wouldn't you? I mean, that might be what a human would do... but dogs in general have an amazing ability to put shit behind them - how many depressed three-legged dogs have you seen? I've never seen one - it is what it is, and they move on. Sometimes they need a little help, but given the opportunity, they'll live in the moment.
Additionally, when dogs feel threatened, fighting isn't the only option, nor is it the "go to," flight or submission is more likely.
On top of that, dogs also have a better ability to sense aggression, tension, nervousness, etc. Pulling a knife out of a butcher's block with the intent of chopping an onion is different that pulling it out with the intent harming the dog.
...but as they say on Reading Rainbow, "but don't take my word for it," go find the answers yourself.

Edit - oh, and don't get me wrong - most rescued dogs DO have issues, and care should be taken, but under the right direction, they can be rehabilitated. Will you get a dog with a 'kill' switch? Not likely, usually it's something more mundane like food possessiveness, aggressiveness on the leash, or like my dog - she would leave the room or assume a submissive posture anytime you took off your belt.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought one of the reasons pitbulls are getting "unfair" press is that the media is focusing on pits who have been raised by irresponsible people, often thugs and drug dealers. People who specifically train these poor pits to be aggressive and even to kill. Now, I thought the way that these evil humans got pitbulls to be aggressive was by abusing them and taunting them. Right? Then such a dog, conditioned to be very aggressive, might then wind up in a shelter? Many such dogs are merely abandoned in the street. THere's no way for the shelter to know much about said dog's background.

WhyFi wrote: [quote=Precious Williams]The pictures and stories on that site were very sad. Dogs who have been abused by humans to this degree are even more likely to snap in the future. I don't think they should be adopted out to anybody after that, unfortunately. If a drug dealer stabs a pit in the head and kicks it, when that pit encounters a kind, gentle man in a new adoptive home, how is he necessarily going to know that this new man isn't an abuser too? What's to stop him going nuts and mauling the new guy?

You would think that, wouldn't you? I mean, that might be what a human would do... but dogs in general have an amazing ability to put shit behind them - how many depressed three-legged dogs have you seen? I've never seen one - it is what it is, and they move on. Sometimes they need a little help, but given the opportunity, they'll live in the moment.
Additionally, when dogs feel threatened, fighting isn't the only option, nor is it the "go to," flight or submission is more likely.
On top of that, dogs also have a better ability to sense aggression, tension, nervousness, etc. Pulling a knife out of a butcher's block with the intent of chopping an onion is different that pulling it out with the intent harming the dog.
...but as they say on Reading Rainbow, "but don't take my word for it," go find the answers yourself.

Edit - oh, and don't get me wrong - most rescued dogs DO have issues, and care should be taken, but under the right direction, they can be rehabilitated. Will you get a dog with a 'kill' switch? Not likely, usually it's something more mundane like food possessiveness, aggressiveness on the leash, or like my dog - she would leave the room or assume a submissive posture anytime you took off your belt.

I find dogs to be pretty transparent with their negatives. We've had four rescues, including a pit mix we fostered. You learn their "issues" pretty quick if you're in a variety of situations. Then you train them, or you give them to someone who can.

It's *not* the Manchurian Candidate, with secret brainwashing as a ticking time bomb. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I find they are so grateful to have a home where someone is taking care of them that they just looooove you and do their best to do what you want.
But yeah, don't get a dog if you're not prepared to deal with whatever they bring to table. It can take as long as a year for them to relax fully into the sweet and positive parts of their personalities - you think you know them after a few months, but they keep getting better.

The pit mix was an overweight sixty-something pounds and would crush me repeatedly in her pursuit of lapdog status . . . she hadn't been beaten, she just lived with people that didn't walk her.

Anybody else think this thread should be archived in the Pet Classifieds?

Precious Williams wrote: The pictures and stories on that site were very sad. Dogs who have been abused by humans to this degree are even more likely to snap in the future. I don't think they should be adopted out to anybody after that, unfortunately. If a drug dealer stabs a pit in the head and kicks it, when that pit encounters a kind, gentle man in a new adoptive home, how is he necessarily going to know that this new man isn't an abuser too? What's to stop him going nuts and mauling the new guy?

from anecdotal experience, there have been 2 dogs i've known personally who have "gone nuts"
1. is a chocolate lab who bit a child in the face. he was to be put down but his owner is a lawyer
2. was a 120 lb. mastiff who attacked 2 people unprovoked. he was put down

so you could infer that from my experience it is chocolate labs and mastiffs that we should be wary of being attacked by

in reality of course that assumption is just plain silly
we shouldn't give in to our base assumptions
we should treat every dog on its own merits and not be so quick to label