Permit Parking in the Slope?

What about people who work in Park Slope? Can they get the permits? And, on the subject of shopping which you brought up, you wouldn't as a community want to discourage consumers from coming into the neighborhood to buy clothes, groceries, go to the restaurants and bars, etc. How would the proposal get around that?

Great topic! I've often wondered how this plays out in other cities.
At first glance, I'm totally for it.

you wouldn't as a community want to discourage consumers

I, as a community, would LOVE to discourage people driving here for girlie shops and fancy food and idiotic frat boy bars.
(Okay, that last group takes taxis or the train.)
But seriously, as a resident, I don't want to host a playground. I hate the NYC that is made of restaurants and shops to the exclusion of other kinds of biz (and non-biz.)

Jumping on board for this topic, even though I live in CH. Hoping the mods will "xp" this thread, as I've discussed/ranted this with my wife for years.

I was going to sort of rant about parking and my support of resident-passes, because Lord knows it pisses me to always have to park blocks from my house late at night because some yahoo's parked in front of my house...I mean its my house, shouldn't I be able to park there! Of course this is an incredibly unfair and childish reaction on my part, as I live in a city, if I wanted private parking I'd live elsewhere.

So in cooler reflection, I like the resident-parking being in effect only in evenings. Residents park more in less near their house, overnight guests and passserbys park a few blocks away on busier well-trafficked main drags. During the day park anywhere you can, but you have to beat it come dinner time. Plan's a winner!

Oh, but I would definitely add that only registered NY State and city residents get the passes. All those jerks who live and work in the city, but have their cars registered under their mom's name in South Carolina or what not to avoid paying insurance or avoiding shild support...y'all can all go dangle! (Seriously, North & South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, are those states' highways empty, because they're all driving in Brooklyn).

sprite wrote: If someone wants to drive over for dinner at 7 on Saturday, I don't see any problem with that as long as they're gone by, say, ten.

How sporting of you!

I think it's an interesting idea, but I would definitely say that workers in the area should be eligible to buy the permits. It would be difficult, if not impossible, for many commuters to PS to make it there from other parts of Brooklyn via public transportation.

Also, to Pitu, you may be a member of the community, but you are not the community. Small and large business owners are also part of the community, and as much as I understand that your aversion to turning your hood into a 'playground' for consumers, businesses deserve a vote on this as well, and I doubt they'd support it. Also, as much as you may not like it, those who flock to 7th and 5th avenues to shop and eat bring in capital that keeps those areas lively and diverse for area residents, is recycled by the vendors into all sorts of other area projects and investments, and provides a tax base that is used to fund schools, street cleaning, police, fire stations, parks, and all kinds of other local public services. So, the community as a whole most definitely does benefit by having consumers come into the area and spend their money.

Perhaps a compromise could be reached whereby overnight parking is for residents only but daytime parking is freely available, with metered parking on the avenues to ensure turnover? That's my suggestion.

Oh, also: What would the $ from the fees be used for? And wouldn't it amount to an added tax on PS residents? Would low income residents be given some kind of subsidy or would they just be shit out of luck?

pitu wrote: escap. I was poking fun at your sentence structure.

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you wouldn't as a community want to discourage consumers

I, as a community, would LOVE to discourage people

Ah, touche. But I was using the plural "you". Perhaps I should have said 'y'all'? No, I guess that still wouldn't work. :?

I'm completely against it. This may work fine in other cities, but NYC is different. It basically amounts to sanctioning, and encouraging, people to own cars in the city by making it easier for them to park on their own block.

It will also necessitate dictating which neighborhoods deserve permit parking, and in a diverse city like New York, that's just simply unfair. Brownsville won't have permit parking, but surely Cobble Hill will. Therefore, someone in Brownsville can drive to visit relatives in Morrisania and leave their car on the street overnight, but if they dare drive into precious Carroll Gardens, they'll get a ticket that would amount to two weeks pay.

If the city wants to make money from car ownership, they should just charge people 300/yr for a citywide permit to park on residential streets--anyone else who parks there for more than three hours would be subject to a ticket. This would also have the benefit of going after those of us who delay getting a NY license/registration to avoid insurance premiums, as you'd have to be a NY resident to get the parking permit.

We had permit parking in San Francisco. 2 hour parking without a permit. Enforcement officiers would come around a mark your tires and then come by 2 hours later and if your car hadn't moved you got a ticket.

Metered parking only works to s certain extent, there are always people the feed the meter. 2 hour parking is 2 hour parking, your supposed to move the car and feeding the meter is illegal

I live in Park Slope and own a car. I am strongly in favor of the resident parking permit idea. With all apologies to business owners in the neighborhood who think this idea is bad for their business I say too bad. I have seen this system work in other urban areas and I think it would be more of a benefit than not for the entire community.

So the question is how many of those cars parked on the streets of Park Slope belong to people that don't live here?

dw438 wrote: Nah, people live here. Some even have their cars registered here.
But people have homes in other states [worst offender: Vermont]
Or family members in other states where they register their cars [worst offenders ... the commonwealths of Pennsylvania and Virginia]
Or family members in other NY counties where insurance is much cheaper [any county in NY besides the 5 boroughs]

If that's the problem you want solved then there's already a way to do it without permit parking. Go to your next precinct council meeting and tell the commander that you want cars that are unregistered in New York to be ticketed. According to DMV you have to register a car within something like 30 days of moving into the State. They can ticket and then its up to the owner to prove that they don't live in New York, that it isn't their primary residence and that they were just visiting on the day in question.

However, I guarantee this will not happen. Because the first time some Pulitzer Prize winner gets a ticket on his Subaru wagon that he's got registered at his second home or his parents place, the blogosphere will start burning up with tales of woe and "don't the cops have better things to do..."

Section 250 (5) of the Vehicle and Traffic Law defines the term "resident." The law defines a resident as a person who lives in NYS with the intent to make NYS a "fixed and permanent" place to live. To live in a house, a home, an apartment, a room or other similar place in NYS for 90 days is considered "presumptive evidence" that you are a resident of NYS. A police officer can use this evidence as the reason to issue a traffic ticket if you drive in NYS without a driver license or vehicle registration issued by NYS.

A judge considers the law and the evidence of your intent and decides if you are a resident of NYS. For example, if you pay taxes or your children attend school in another state, a judge considers these facts to decide if your intent is to make NYS a "fixed and permanent" residence. The DMV will not decide if you are a resident of NYS, if you must get a NYS driver license, or if you must register your vehicle in NYS.

According to this law, students from other states or from other nations who attend school in NYS are normally not considered residents of NYS.

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GiveMeCandy wrote: Therefore, someone in Brownsville can drive to visit relatives in Morrisania and leave their car on the street overnight, but if they dare drive into precious Carroll Gardens, they'll get a ticket that would amount to two weeks pay.

this was easily solved in chicago with the single-use permits i mentioned earlier. residents could purchase books of them very cheaply -- like $2/dozen -- and give them to overnight guests. it worked great.

i'm not sure how this worked in chicago, but you could make it possible for residents who did not own cars and did not need full time permits to still purchase the single use ones for an occasional need -- like if they rented a car or had visitors -- without haveing to pay for the full time permit.

I'd like a nearby garage (does Methodist's Kinney take monthly passes? Their staff obviously doesn't use it.) I'm tired of fighting for parking with hospital, St. Savior, John Jay and park goers. I'll be damned if I'm going to walk to Union to get my car regularly. I don't know how permit parking works - I've seen it in LA but I don't know the details. Source from anyone?

sweet tea wrote: [quote=GiveMeCandy]Therefore, someone in Brownsville can drive to visit relatives in Morrisania and leave their car on the street overnight, but if they dare drive into precious Carroll Gardens, they'll get a ticket that would amount to two weeks pay.

this was easily solved in chicago with the single-use permits i mentioned earlier. residents could purchase books of them very cheaply -- like $2/dozen -- and give them to overnight guests. it worked great.

At $2/dozen, I can buy a year's supply of single use permits for $60 bucks. That low a price would seem to be an invitation to some sort of wide-scaled shenanigans (although I can't think of anything now).

To those who fear that resident parking would have them parking 5 neighborhhods away....if you think about it I'm pretty sure that all of us who have circled for ungodly amounts of time have ultimately never wound up more than a few blocks away from home, so as long as the permits are by zone rather than by block, there should be no problem finding something nearby.

Otherwise there would be countless thousands who just drive all day and night, never sleeping or eating, looking for spaces. And that doesn't happen, right?