Why call it the city
i hate it when people refer manhattan as the city!!! i say manhattan!! god damn it brooklyn has a bigger population as a city vs manhattan!!
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hate it when people refer manhattan as the city!!!
it's a native thing.. you wouldn't understand. -
lmboogie wrote:
i never left brooklyn since the 80'shate it when people refer manhattan as the city!!!
it's a native thing.. you wouldn't understand.
. i mean never!!! longest i been outside of brooklyn is 1 week for anything vacation etc.... -
All those expecting to ever be deep in any city's park, even with a friend (some friend!), at 1am anytime in the near future and not quite possibly catch shit: raise yr hands.
All those born and raised anywhere in the NY metro area that's never used or or never heard the term "the city" meaning Manhattan: raise yr hands.
(Warrior - not liking it is something else, tho I very much like it. In fact, now that I've been made conscious of it, I can honestly say I rarely speak the word Manhattan. And I remember feeling it odd when my Indianapolis native ex-wife used the word. I think it's an emotional/cultural thing.) -
noisejoke wrote: All those expecting to ever be deep in any city's park, even with a friend (some friend!), at 1am anytime in the near future and not quite possibly catch shit: raise yr hands.
Raise yo hands !!!!!!!!!
All those born and raised anywhere in the NY metro area that's never used or or never heard the term "the city" meaning Manhattan: raise yr hands.
(Warrior - not liking it is something else, tho I very much like it. In fact, now that I've been made conscious of it, I can honestly say I rarely speak the word Manhattan. And I remember feeling it odd when my Indianapolis native ex-wife used the word. I think it's an emotional/cultural thing.)
Natives know whats up. Period. -
nubnu wrote: [quote=noisejoke]All those expecting to ever be deep in any city's park, even with a friend (some friend!), at 1am anytime in the near future and not quite possibly catch shit: raise yr hands.
Raise yo hands !!!!!!!!!
All those born and raised anywhere in the NY metro area that's never used or or never heard the term "the city" meaning Manhattan: raise yr hands.
(Warrior - not liking it is something else, tho I very much like it. In fact, now that I've been made conscious of it, I can honestly say I rarely speak the word Manhattan. And I remember feeling it odd when my Indianapolis native ex-wife used the word. I think it's an emotional/cultural thing.)
Natives know whats up. Period.
I got my hands up!!
Yeah I surely see there is a conneciton between using that term "City" and staying the hell out of the Park after Dark!!
Right on!~ -
the reasons i think people refer manhattan as the city cause in the past it has all the restaurants and other amenities. brooklyn was where people just live.
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armchair, people actually live in manhattan.
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armchair_warrior wrote: the reasons i think people refer manhattan as the city cause in the past it has all the restaurants and other amenities. brooklyn was where people just live.
Gee Armchair you sound like NOT a native New Yorker. Having lived here for all my life.. I have met so many people who were born and bred in Brooklyn and found a way to almost never venture out of the borough and they found, restaurants to eat in and doctors and clothes and all the services necessary to do life. Historically we could say the same for many Manhattanites. -
brooklynpotter wrote: armchair, people actually live in manhattan.
armchair, she's trying to trick you. watch out! -
hey! you can accuse me of facetiousness but not of trickery. if i wanted to trick him i'd be far more clever.
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lol veets
. i grew up in brooklyn ate in brooklyn restaurants. i was just giving a explanation as why folks might have called manhattan the city instead of brooklyn.
brooklynpotter you lies!!!! never!!! by people you mean zombies, that come out only at night when people go home to brooklyn.
sorry veets hehe. -
I grew up in a manhattan centric time. all the time. my friends would be oh lets goto the city to do this and that.
for everything imaginable from small restaurants that weren't so good to stupid book stores to tons of other things.
I'm just sick of the manhattan centric world. when t hey are building a new subway. instead of connecting all brooklyn, queens, staten island and bronx directly they give manhattan another train and we still have to go through manhattan to get to queens!!! -
When my mom was a kid or a teenager and they went Downtown, it meant Downtown Brooklyn. In other cities, or surrounding areas, when people say Downtown they mean where the big buildings are, or the city!
I don't think it's just "restaurants and amenities". I think "The City" for us, as evidenced in literature, film and music represents something quite different than it does for those raised in Manhattan or those raised in other parts of the country. And it's something I'd rather not lose.
I'm one who is all for tourists visiting and enjoying, and absolutely in favor of what's certainly the tradition of people coming here for work, freedom, art, reinvention. But, while I'm the last to see conspiracy or call alarm, I do fear that there's been a subtle shift in recent years. To me it's the Billyburg syndrome: whereby some perfect storm (sorry for the current cliche) of television and internet culture, weak dollar, development, and Malling of America have combined to create an atmosphere where non natives come not to assimilate and become True New Yorkers (and we're all immigrants in one or another), but to reshape our area in the image of their home, or worse image of their IDEA of NY. What is Williamsburg now, to a great extent, if not some Disneyfied "Small World" version of the East Village?
Even Disney has a Downtown now. -
Wow... we are like having a real time conversation here.. I guess all of us have nothing to do this afternoon but hang around this forum!!
Warrior.. I knew u were a Native.. was just teasing.
I have met Zombies. -
veets wrote: Wow... we are like having a real time conversation here.. I guess all of us have nothing to do this afternoon but hang around this forum!!
wow im sorry i ever said the word "city" to begin with-
Warrior.. I knew u were a Native.. was just teasing.
I have met Zombies.
my apologies darlings- -
I know hehe you were teasing. i'm just bored and got nothing better to do.
hey nubnu dont say sorry youre in the whiniest place in nyc lol.
/puts on flame suit and runs -
armchair_warrior wrote: I know hehe you were teasing
elaborate---------. i'm just bored and got nothing better to do.
hey nubnu dont say sorry youre in the whiniest place in nyc lol.
/puts on flame suit and runs
please tell me
what is PARK SLOPE ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!
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I think there is already a thread on the whining park slopers some where.
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noisejoke wrote: When my mom was a kid or a teenager and they went Downtown, it meant Downtown Brooklyn. In other cities, or surrounding areas, when people say Downtown they mean where the big buildings are, or the city!
I agree with all you said above and it was eloquently stated!
I don't think it's just "restaurants and amenities". I think "The City" for us, as evidenced in literature, film and music represents something quite different than it does for those raised in Manhattan or those raised in other parts of the country. And it's something I'd rather not lose.
I'm one who is all for tourists visiting and enjoying, and absolutely in favor of what's certainly the tradition of people coming here for work, freedom, art, reinvention. But, while I'm the last to see conspiracy or call alarm, I do fear that there's been a subtle shift in recent years. To me it's the Billyburg syndrome: whereby some perfect storm (sorry for the current cliche) of television and internet culture, weak dollar, development, and Malling of America have combined to create an atmosphere where non natives come not to assimilate and become True New Yorkers (and we're all immigrants in one or another), but to reshape our area in the image of their home, or worse image of their IDEA of NY. What is Williamsburg now, to a great extent, if not some Disneyfied "Small World" version of the East Village?
Even Disney has a Downtown now. -
disney's downtown in times' square
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Oh, so that's what the "city" business is all about. I'm not a native, my bf is. He keeps referring to manhattan as the city. When I used to live there, he would say, so I'll come into the city to see u? Made it sound like he was hiking from a far off village.lol. Ill stop teasing him now.
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Oh, so that's what the "city" business is all about. I'm not a native, my bf is. He keeps referring to manhattan as the city. When I used to live there, he would say, so I'll come into the city to see u? Made it sound like he was hiking from a far off village.lol. Ill stop teasing him now
when i lived in tribeca my girlfriend who is from georgia would say 'let's go into the city' and she was referring to midtown. it was really funny. -
Jeeze you guys get your own thread already... talk about off topic. This is the second page and it has little to do with the title anymore.
That said. I am not a native and I use the word City, I say it not copying anyone, just out of coincidence I guess. I seem to recall an old thread where natives hated people that called Manhattan 'the city'?? -
the whole city thing is obnoxious - it assumes that manhattan is the only part of NYC that matters. gee, sorry. most of manhattan wouldn't function if it had to depend on residents of manhattan to run. on all levels - from CEOs to janitors, plenty of core employees working in manhattan live outside. calling manhattan 'the city' is really irritating if you live outside of the borough and make it function as part of the CITY YOU LIVE IN.
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alafairnadia wrote: the whole city thing is obnoxious - it assumes that manhattan is the only part of NYC that matters. gee, sorry. most of manhattan wouldn't function if it had to depend on residents of manhattan to run.
Sorry to belabor this thread but I find this subject quite interesting and evocative. When natives refer to "the city" it is not in any kneejerk supplication to the ruling Island. In fact, I feel that it derives from a great romantic dialectic. Yes, the municipality of New York City includes five boros. But over the mid to late 20th Century, for some people The City was where you found all the flavor, danger, excitement and art. It's where you escaped to, found yourself, found others like you. Brooklyn, Queens, Jersey, Long Island - we were B&T! That was your family, your buddies, your home. But, "The City" was about adventure and possibility.
Believe me, I love Brooklyn and I love that you love it. But it's only been within a relative blink of an eye that we had art galleries, small press book publishers, adventurous rock shows in industrial spaces and real Chinese food.
I don't drink Regular Coffee and CBGBs is dead. Let me have my illusion of The City. -
I'm curious. How many native Brooklynites, or even non native Brooklynites, when in another city, state, or country and asked where they're from will say "Brooklyn" rather than NYC/New York? I always say Brooklyn.
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when people ask me. i always say i'm from brooklyn. not nyc hehe.
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Idlewild wrote: I'm curious. How many native Brooklynites, or even non native Brooklynites, when in another city, state, or country and asked where they're from will say "Brooklyn" rather than NYC/New York? I always say Brooklyn.
Great question! For me this depends on the person asking and the context. I'm a musician and spent years on the road so it would get asked a lot especially if they detect an accent.
My entire extended family is from Brooklyn over a couple generations (besides LES and Cleveland, and very "old Europe"). My parents left Crown Heights when I was around 4 - and they took me with 'em! So, I always say I absolutely grew up on Long Island. I spent lots of time in Brooklyn as a child and moved as an "adult" when I was 23. But, I consider myself purely a product of the Island (characteristics which can include having roots in the boros). Yes, natives call it The Island (and when suitably of driving but not drinking age, it's an Ice Tea).
So, if the conversation warrants it, I tell em where I live and where I'm from. I don't front, yo. I know too many people born and bred in Brooklyn to disrespect that, and know many who live here now from much farther afield than the Metropolitan area.
BTW when in SF never call it 'Frisco. And in Chicago when they say "gaper's delay" they mean rubber-necking. I love that.
Also, my buddy who grew up with me and has lived in Chicago (the Windy City due to politicians, not the lake effect) for almost 20 years I think says they absolutely have a Second City mentality. We don't even know. Therefore Manhattan (and sure, the boros) is THE city.
A_W you ARE from Brooklyn, not New York City. Where you're from so yr not shitting anybody. On a national level, or even international, I'd say that the things that resonate are being from the "U.S." or "the States", NY (as opposed to Upstate NY - where we're known as Downstate), and yes, Brooklyn. Maybe people actually from Manhattan say they're from Manhattan. -
Idlewild wrote: I'm curious. How many native Brooklynites, or even non native Brooklynites, when in another city, state, or country and asked where they're from will say "Brooklyn" rather than NYC/New York? I always say Brooklyn.
I say Brooklyn. Non-native, but been here for 14 years. I'm sorry to say I often catch myself referring to Manhattan as "the city" even though I am quick to correct my Manhattanite friends when they ask me when I'll be coming to "the city." :roll:
I grew up near Philadelphia and "downtown" was where the big buildings were. When I moved to New York, I would confuse people by telling them that I worked "downtown" on 34th Street. :? -
i say NYC. and then when someone says, "how do you like living in manhattan?" i correct them and say i'm actually from brooklyn. usually i get a befuddled look, then, or a "i don't think of brooklyn as being new york city" or "brooklyn?!?! isn't that dangerous?!?!".
le sigh.
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