Even if you are a well-know and well-dressed lawyer . . .
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It might be right to stop and say something, BUT, ask yourself is it SMART to do so? This experienced civil rights lawyer should've known long ago what he just learned firsthand: He may be king in the courtroom, but the cops still rule the streets. I wonder whether he would've still stopped and complained had this incident been witnessed at 2 a.m. on a desolate street?
What's right is right, whats wrong is wrong. But this has nothing to do with any of that. Be smart, people. You can document what you see, film it, photograph it, whatever. Then, you'll have all you need to see that the offending officers are brought to answer for their conduct. What if the cops kill the guy? You'll have that evidence too, plus you'd still have your life and be able to testify.
On another somewhat related point, I wonder what he actually saw though. Havent any of you ever wanted to give an elbow or two to some of these knuckleheads out there destroying other people's property? Take that feeling and multiply it by hundreds and maybe then we can get a feel for what it must be like to be after guys like that everyday as part of their job. I dont make excuses for abusive cops, but I tell you what, some of these crooks are lucky that I am not on the beat because I would give them some pains to remind them what's at stake the next time they think about breaking the law. -
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while i agree generally that it is smart to keep personal safety in mind, what if the police do kill the guy? what an awful thing to think that they might have stopped if someone had spoken up. (and yes, i know perhaps these theoretical perp-killing cops might not stop and etc, etc; but if the question is what behavior is ethical, silence is not the answer.)
What's right is right, whats wrong is wrong. But this has nothing to do with any of that. Be smart, people. You can document what you see, film it, photograph it, whatever. Then, you'll have all you need to see that the offending officers are brought to answer for their conduct. What if the cops kill the guy? You'll have that evidence too, plus you'd still have your life and be able to testify. -
If they wouldve killed him with you watching, what makes you think that they wouldnt also kill you for intervening? I dont know how much clearer I can make it.
If your ethics tell you to jump in and object, by all means do so. Just dont be surprised if the cops dont appreciate your remarks. Hopefully someone like me will be nearby with a camera capturing what happens. -
This is rather upsetting to me because after a recent assault in the PS 9 schoolyard the elementary and middle school called an emergency PTA meeting to discuss this. There was a representative from the 77th there to talk to us and they seemed to think that the most dangerous corner for us (and our children) is Vanderbilt and Atlantic by the McDonalds. We were told that this was a hotbed of activity for gangs. The principal of the middle school told us that she goes there every morning after the school bell to see if any of our students are there and she has been met with threats of violence for trying to recover them. Thank goodness no one has made good on those threats. We were told that we should pressure the police department to keep a closer eye on that corner and so far many parents have called about it (or at least they say they did). Im worried that this can happen to the teens of our area.
While I do not in any way condone for any reason the assault on a person being arrested its pretty scary to think of people trying to stop it. My fear is that you take the attention of the police officer away from the alleged criminal and that give them a chance to reach for their gun, etc. and innocent bystanders can be hurt. I think the best thing someone can do is document it with photos and then show up at the precinct to voice your concern and file a complaint. -
It seems that the general perception of that day in question is that of a pack of cops beating on an innocent handcuffed man in the street. The fact of the matter is..... that this upstanding citizen was observed purchasing crack cocaine, he then gets into a stolen car. The Police attempt to pull him over. He then proceeds to speed off crashing into several moving vehicles. While being pursued by the Police with lights and sirens. This individual than dumps the car in McDonalds parking lot and then flees on foot with officers chasing him. The pursuing officers eventually caught up with the suspect, and attempted to handcuff him while he violently resisted being arrested. Whatever this Lawyer sees for the 1 min that he's waiting for the traffic signal to change, has little or no bearing on the events that preceeded the arrest. Police officers are allowed to use the minimum amount of force needed to overcome an assault and affect an arrest. By interfering with this arrest, he no longer was operating within his civic duty,but now became a potential threat to officers already struggling to arrest this violent felon.
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When did he become a felon? :idea:
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/ My post wasn't flame bait and didn't deserved to be removed. If all the cops pulled out of the nabe tomorrow, I'm sure no one here will attend a single funeral of the young life cut short by the garenteed spike of violence that would follow.
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I must've missed your post. What was the gist of it?
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King without a crown wrote: I must've missed your post. What was the gist of it?
How when a 6 year old boy (who's Black) is sent to Kings County with a .22 in his arm from a stray, no posts.
When the drug dealer whos bullet shot the 6 year old is appreheanded by the 77, it's a "civil rights violation" and is worthy of UN disapproval.
But no, I'm a fucking racist. I mean, caring about black kids and all..... -
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the "cops" are always right, becuase they're not. I've seen some messed up shit go down with boys in blue. The problem is that the cops aren't the enemy. Police, and their subsequent "questionable" behavior is a symptom of the problem. The problem being the unecessary and disgusting violence and "street code" that passes for "community" in too many areas. You can see in the "mugging" thread how too many people see their nieghbors. Our all-so-esteemed anti-gentrification members for some reason have nothing to say about "those" issues.
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I absolutely do NOT want to see anyone get hurt. Be they black, white, green, purple, polka dot, or whatever. I'm not sure what your point is.
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/My point is the every-so-often poster who foams at the mouth to attack the "newcomers" as the root of the communites ills. And then there is the "Charles Barrone speaks for me!" crowd who foams at the mouth for every traffic stop involving a Black person
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